That no other Islamists are helping Gaza ought to speak volumes about what it means to be both an Islamist & a pariah. Palestinians are pariahs in the Islamic world. Either they're guilty of something almost all other Islamists fear, or Islamic theistic mythology & propaganda are just as much BS as are the theistic mythologies & propaganda of all other theocracies & examples of magical thinking. Maybe both apply in this case.
Well. I think there is also the fear of extending this into a wider war, and some American statesmen want to actually do just that, and are seeing it as an opportunity to push war with Iran. Biden has pushed all of our America's Middle Eastern wars, as well as supporting and feeding weapons to the Ukrainians to bring down Russia, even if it meant the death of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives. America is so perverse that Biden can reference the Houthis as a terrorist group yet find total support within both parties in helping to implement a genocide in Gaza which is in total breach of international law. Read or listen to Miko Peled at least he provides an honest perspective on Israel even from an historical perspective. In other words he confirms your sense of reality too offset the gas-lighting that's going on.
USA has been at war for all but 15 years of its existence. The military-industrial complex billionaires, the ones that Eisenhower warned us abt, make all their profits from war & munitions. The pols are just stooges who do & say what they're bribed to do & say. Almost every US politician has pushed for all of USA's endless war. Targeting Biden for all of USA's Middle Eastern misadventures is seriously narrow minded &, frankly, ignorantly partisan. Don't forget that the Trump-turd wanted to drop an a-bomb into the eye of a hurricane to stop the hurricane from doing any damage to whatever state it was ravaging. That was a "total breach of" common sense. Biden didn't order any a-bombs to be dropped on Yemen or Russia at any time in his career. But POTUS Truman ordered two a-bombs to be dropped on non-military population centers in Nagasaki & Hiroshima in 1945. And just in case you aren't aware--you're obviously unaware--allow me to relieve you of your historical ignorance: USA considers itself outside the jurisdiction of all international laws, especially those laws adjudicated by the ICJ & ICC & Geneva Conventions despite having, in Nuremberg (1945-46), with "Judge(s) sitting: Iona Nikitchenko (Soviet Union), Geoffrey Lawrence (UK), Francis Biddle (US), Donnedieu de Vabres (France) and deputies" indicted, charged, tried, convicted, & executed many NAZIs <except the scientists [e.g., Werner von Braun] USA wanted for its own martial research> for their "total breach of international law". You can find videos and a movie of the Nuremberg trials on YouTube if you Google them.
In regard to what I said about Biden, well, as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2003 Biden assembled witnesses who misrepresented, well, lied about Saddam Hussein, and his WMD, and he knew them to be lies, and pushed those lies on his fellow democrats as well. He supported all our other Middle Eastern wars and even as vice president under Clinton he supported his multiple interventions as well. As Obama's vice president they helped support the coup in Ukraine relying on neo-nazis to give them a hand. Obama left Biden in charge, and that's how he was able to get his son a job, although Hunter knew nothing about oil. Surprise, surprise, but to make money they work so well together. As Obama's vice president, we had a proxy war in Syria, and lie of a war in Libya that destroyed a country that was thriving, and I heard the slave markets are back. What has he done during his presidency, well, as you know to oust Putin he was willing to support a proxy war in Ukraine costing hundred of thousands of lives, and now he's implementing a genocide, and I think the most serious crime of all. 'Trump-turd" as you call him and his wanting to send a nuclear weapon to stop a hurricane is just BS, and as he called it fake news, seems you are quite capable of putting forth a lot of BS of your own to justify your position for what ever the hell your reason is. By the way I don't need a history lesson from you.
Fran, sometimes I wonder what reality you are living under. Or maybe it's just blindness to everything "Trump" and an abandonement of objectivity in favor of bias for Trump?
In regards to the Middle East, Israel, Palestine, Zionism - here is some reference on Trump's track record and actions:
The list of resources is endless on Trump's track record in the middle-east and his true intentions (not his stated intentions that he then walks back on by calling everything he disagrees with as "Fake News")
"Here we have the author of a peace deal (Donald Trump) who is by definition a fanatic Zionist supporter of the illegal Israeli settlement and yet he projects himself as some kind of a mediator who has the Palestinians best interest in mind. It is surrealistic in every possible way and obnoxious in every possible term".
Again, the list of facts NOT in favor of Trump are endless.
Maybe you could look harder at who Trump really is and who his supporters are:
(1) Evangelical Christian Zionists are a significat base of Trump's supporters.
(2) Trump has always been a supporter of AIPAC
(3) Trump (and his family) have always supported Israel and the Zionist agenda
Yes, Biden is bad - but so is Trump. And I can't help but wonder what actions Trump would have taken in the present conflict. I mean, why are we even discussing and comparing who is worse when it comes to Israel and Zionism?
Because I didn't approve of the democrats trying to remove an elected president from office it's wrong? They tried to remove him on the lie of Russia-gate, also because this very bad man thought it was good to get along with Russia, and even paid Putin a visit. They crucified Trump, but maybe if they hadn't, and didn't have an agenda for him, like he has to go, no doubt some 400 thousand Ukrainians would not be dead. No new wars under Trump, a novelty in the 21st century. It's interesting that at the unconstitutional Jan 6 comm, and it was unconstitutional, Liz Cheney was parading her pop around, and as you know someone who got us into the war with Iraq on a lie, and of course there was those black sites and Guantanamo, and torture. Cheney as many were, including Jeff Bush, primary signatories on the Project for a New American Century based on A Clean Break written for Netanyahu, by Richard Perle, although some call him the prince of darkness, and it goes like this, "The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values." It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction". Well, as you know we followed that neocon policy and attacked and destroyed many countries in the Middle East, under Bush/Cheney, Obama, and of course Biden. Interesting that Palestine is now facing a genocide, and it would be naive to believe it doesn't reflect our political agenda all through this century and perhaps why we supply the weapons to carry it out. Interesting that the media lost it's objectivity, but as you know it was headed in that direction anyway, but people like Amy Goodman bought it as well, and mostly wishful thinking on her part. Poor Greenwald wanted to write an article on Biden's son's laptop, but the CIA, some 50 of them, said it was all Russian disinformation and the The Intercept which he started wouldn't let him publish his piece, so he left the very publication he started.
Yes Trump certainly wasn't perfect, but he was a perfect diversion and scapegoat from the horrors the presidents in the 21st century implemented, including those of Obama and his proxy war in Syria and his war on Libya, and I hear there are now slave markets there not to mention his backing neo-nazi's to kick out Yanukovych, and a pro-Russian government. I guess he wanted the US to be close to Putin too, but not for good reason, since NATO would be right up against Russia's borders, and those Minsk accords as Merkel said were not meant to be implemented but to allow the Ukraine to build up militarily.
The Arab states in particular Iran(which is not an Arab country) I think are holding back because they know the US have wanted a war with them for years.
I agree, but with Biden and his neocon agenda I really wonder what's coming. He calls the Houthis terrorists, a man, a country, that is complicit in a genocide. He opens our borders claiming to be a caring man, yet he's been complicit in killing over 50 thousand people, some 10 thousand of whom are children. He also fed weapons to the Ukrainians, and several hundred thousand are now dead to bring down Putin. His hypocrisy is stunning.
The United States of Hypocrisy. The same with the UK hypocrisy.
We are living in a world of .......I just don't know what to call it. Mass hysteria perhaps?
While the UK is deciding to send 'the boat people" to Rwanda.
The Iraelites want to get shot of the Palestinian people to places....UNKNOWN
Is there a place for these people which is 'safe.' I don't think so.
IF you can think of one country which is NOT war ravaged by religion/ethnic cleansing etc.
My husband and me have come up with one place in the world. Thailand. Although they have a problem with their so-called KING!
The Maldive Islands have told India to "get out." Which I think they are doing but who knows with Modi. He is no different than Biden.
I look at Bidens voting record (you can look too).
He voted for Clarence Thomas!!!!!!!
This stopped me beliveing in him years ago.
YOU have people in the DNC who tell you who to vote for....is this democracy?
I don't live in the US but I did for 23yrs and I was horrified MOSTLY because of education. You have the most stupid people on the planet. But you did not care.
Who is going to come to 'aid' you America while you have a Civil War?
I have so many American friends which are mostly leaving the US........what America cannot comprehend is that we too have legitimate excuses to deny entry to our countries.
My husband worked for American company's we were harrassed and denied entry multiple times. (I am going to write about this)
Well, maybe that's why Americans don't pay much attention to politics, no news is good news, and the only good news they'll get. You're denied entry, well Jenny maybe you and your husband should check out how to get into America illegally, and once here they'll even put you up in a nice hotel and pay for it, and if not send you off to a city that really can't afford you, but will throw high school kids out for a day or two and you can reside there, no doubt in the hallway, or they'll set up cots like they did at a mental facility. I have never liked Biden. He even had to step down from his presidential run in the 1980's since he got into the habit of stealing other people speeches. He's not only supported and pushed out many wars, but does a lousy imitation of someone who cares.
And you think that American retribution has nothing to do with it? You think that the United States will not hesitate to sanction, bomb or murder anyone who stands up for Gaza? Perhaps you think that the United States attacked Yemen just because?
The reason Ansrallah stood up for Gaza is because they have no corrupt leaders with western assets to sanction, no western toys to be taken away, no fucks to give.
Their leaders don't have western assets to sanction, western accounts to seize. They certainly don't live like the Gulfie tyrants or the Saudi potentates.
No, they aren't concerned or they'd be jointly fighting the Israelis on behalf of Hamas & the Gazans, but, as I said, they're no Sir Lancelot champions for Gazans or Hamas. They're just covering their own butts & happy that the toxic alpha-male Houthi chest pounders are willing to martyr themselves. It's always safer & cheaper in all ways to have others fight one's battles than doing it by oneself.
The Hout’hi are bonafide HEROES, shitforbrains. As are Hezbollah. If you don’t think they’re making a difference, think again. Container ships are refusing to dock in IsraHell, due to the astronomical insurance required to do so, costing the IsraHelli regime billions in lost revenue. Thank god for “alpha male chest pounders”!
Opinions are like arseholes: everybody has at least one. And ad hominem name-calling is a sure sign of a toxic alpha-male chest pounder who's been to myriad finishing schools & knows on which side his pita's buttered.
Chen Huizhe, maybe you could get off the "religions" track for explaining world events and start looking at geostrategic and geopolitical considerations.
There are many resources on the internet that explain why the leaders of many Middle Eastern and Arab countries (most of which are monarchies and dictatorships) do not want to get invovled in this conflict, even though the people of that nations they represent all support Palestinians and the Palestinian cause.
I seriously suggest using frameworks besides just religion to analyze world events. Maybe you might come across more answers to your questions this way?
That no other Islamists are helping Gaza ought to speak volumes about what it means to be both an Islamist & a pariah. Palestinians are pariahs in the Islamic world. Either they're guilty of something almost all other Islamists fear, or Islamic theistic mythology & propaganda are just as much BS as are the theistic mythologies & propaganda of all other theocracies & examples of magical thinking. Maybe both apply in this case.
Well. I think there is also the fear of extending this into a wider war, and some American statesmen want to actually do just that, and are seeing it as an opportunity to push war with Iran. Biden has pushed all of our America's Middle Eastern wars, as well as supporting and feeding weapons to the Ukrainians to bring down Russia, even if it meant the death of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives. America is so perverse that Biden can reference the Houthis as a terrorist group yet find total support within both parties in helping to implement a genocide in Gaza which is in total breach of international law. Read or listen to Miko Peled at least he provides an honest perspective on Israel even from an historical perspective. In other words he confirms your sense of reality too offset the gas-lighting that's going on.
USA has been at war for all but 15 years of its existence. The military-industrial complex billionaires, the ones that Eisenhower warned us abt, make all their profits from war & munitions. The pols are just stooges who do & say what they're bribed to do & say. Almost every US politician has pushed for all of USA's endless war. Targeting Biden for all of USA's Middle Eastern misadventures is seriously narrow minded &, frankly, ignorantly partisan. Don't forget that the Trump-turd wanted to drop an a-bomb into the eye of a hurricane to stop the hurricane from doing any damage to whatever state it was ravaging. That was a "total breach of" common sense. Biden didn't order any a-bombs to be dropped on Yemen or Russia at any time in his career. But POTUS Truman ordered two a-bombs to be dropped on non-military population centers in Nagasaki & Hiroshima in 1945. And just in case you aren't aware--you're obviously unaware--allow me to relieve you of your historical ignorance: USA considers itself outside the jurisdiction of all international laws, especially those laws adjudicated by the ICJ & ICC & Geneva Conventions despite having, in Nuremberg (1945-46), with "Judge(s) sitting: Iona Nikitchenko (Soviet Union), Geoffrey Lawrence (UK), Francis Biddle (US), Donnedieu de Vabres (France) and deputies" indicted, charged, tried, convicted, & executed many NAZIs <except the scientists [e.g., Werner von Braun] USA wanted for its own martial research> for their "total breach of international law". You can find videos and a movie of the Nuremberg trials on YouTube if you Google them.
In regard to what I said about Biden, well, as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2003 Biden assembled witnesses who misrepresented, well, lied about Saddam Hussein, and his WMD, and he knew them to be lies, and pushed those lies on his fellow democrats as well. He supported all our other Middle Eastern wars and even as vice president under Clinton he supported his multiple interventions as well. As Obama's vice president they helped support the coup in Ukraine relying on neo-nazis to give them a hand. Obama left Biden in charge, and that's how he was able to get his son a job, although Hunter knew nothing about oil. Surprise, surprise, but to make money they work so well together. As Obama's vice president, we had a proxy war in Syria, and lie of a war in Libya that destroyed a country that was thriving, and I heard the slave markets are back. What has he done during his presidency, well, as you know to oust Putin he was willing to support a proxy war in Ukraine costing hundred of thousands of lives, and now he's implementing a genocide, and I think the most serious crime of all. 'Trump-turd" as you call him and his wanting to send a nuclear weapon to stop a hurricane is just BS, and as he called it fake news, seems you are quite capable of putting forth a lot of BS of your own to justify your position for what ever the hell your reason is. By the way I don't need a history lesson from you.
Fran, sometimes I wonder what reality you are living under. Or maybe it's just blindness to everything "Trump" and an abandonement of objectivity in favor of bias for Trump?
In regards to the Middle East, Israel, Palestine, Zionism - here is some reference on Trump's track record and actions:
(1) Democracy Now->“Yet Another Declaration of War on Palestinians”: Rashid Khalidi on Trump’s Middle East “Peace” Plan [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCcqyA__tk]
(2) Trump vows to help Israel finish Hamas and ban Gaza refugees from entering the US [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0CqwurerEQ]
(3) AlJazeera->Trump's Middle East plan and a century of failed deals [https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2020/the-failed-deals-of-the-century/index.html]
(4) Trump’s reckless Middle East policy has brought the US to the brink of war [https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trumps-reckless-middle-east-policy-has-brought-the-us-to-the-brink-of-war/]
(5) Trump claims he made peace in the Middle East with Abraham Accords. That’s False. [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/dec/05/donald-trump/trump-claims-he-made-peace-in-the-middle-east-with/]
(6) TheIntercept->Trump’s War Policy Left Civilians Dead in Yemen [https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/trump-yemen-war-civilian-deaths/]
(7) AlJazeera->Analysis: Trump's Middle East plan: The farce, the fraud and the fury [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hbYJXQiyjA]
(8) WATCH: Senate votes to restrict Trump's war powers [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4C0wZNifpE]
The list of resources is endless on Trump's track record in the middle-east and his true intentions (not his stated intentions that he then walks back on by calling everything he disagrees with as "Fake News")
"Here we have the author of a peace deal (Donald Trump) who is by definition a fanatic Zionist supporter of the illegal Israeli settlement and yet he projects himself as some kind of a mediator who has the Palestinians best interest in mind. It is surrealistic in every possible way and obnoxious in every possible term".
Here are some more facts:
(1) AlJazeera->Biden admin ends Trump-era Houthi ‘terrorist’ designation [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/16/biden-admin-ends-trump-era-houthi-terrorist-designation]
(2) Trump not only withdrew out of the Iran Nuclear Deal [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/8/five-years-after-trumps-exit-no-return-to-the-iran-nuclear-deal], but also escalated tensions with Iran by his administration assassinating Soleimani [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/29/iran-and-us-president-donald-trump-a-timeline-of-key-events] and placing sanctions on Iran.
(3) Trump has a horrendous track record on Yemen ->The Trump Administration Embraces the Saudi-Led War in Yemen [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-trump-administration-embraces-the-saudi-led-war-yemen]
Again, the list of facts NOT in favor of Trump are endless.
Maybe you could look harder at who Trump really is and who his supporters are:
(1) Evangelical Christian Zionists are a significat base of Trump's supporters.
(2) Trump has always been a supporter of AIPAC
(3) Trump (and his family) have always supported Israel and the Zionist agenda
Yes, Biden is bad - but so is Trump. And I can't help but wonder what actions Trump would have taken in the present conflict. I mean, why are we even discussing and comparing who is worse when it comes to Israel and Zionism?
Because I didn't approve of the democrats trying to remove an elected president from office it's wrong? They tried to remove him on the lie of Russia-gate, also because this very bad man thought it was good to get along with Russia, and even paid Putin a visit. They crucified Trump, but maybe if they hadn't, and didn't have an agenda for him, like he has to go, no doubt some 400 thousand Ukrainians would not be dead. No new wars under Trump, a novelty in the 21st century. It's interesting that at the unconstitutional Jan 6 comm, and it was unconstitutional, Liz Cheney was parading her pop around, and as you know someone who got us into the war with Iraq on a lie, and of course there was those black sites and Guantanamo, and torture. Cheney as many were, including Jeff Bush, primary signatories on the Project for a New American Century based on A Clean Break written for Netanyahu, by Richard Perle, although some call him the prince of darkness, and it goes like this, "The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values." It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting its possession of "weapons of mass destruction". Well, as you know we followed that neocon policy and attacked and destroyed many countries in the Middle East, under Bush/Cheney, Obama, and of course Biden. Interesting that Palestine is now facing a genocide, and it would be naive to believe it doesn't reflect our political agenda all through this century and perhaps why we supply the weapons to carry it out. Interesting that the media lost it's objectivity, but as you know it was headed in that direction anyway, but people like Amy Goodman bought it as well, and mostly wishful thinking on her part. Poor Greenwald wanted to write an article on Biden's son's laptop, but the CIA, some 50 of them, said it was all Russian disinformation and the The Intercept which he started wouldn't let him publish his piece, so he left the very publication he started.
Yes Trump certainly wasn't perfect, but he was a perfect diversion and scapegoat from the horrors the presidents in the 21st century implemented, including those of Obama and his proxy war in Syria and his war on Libya, and I hear there are now slave markets there not to mention his backing neo-nazi's to kick out Yanukovych, and a pro-Russian government. I guess he wanted the US to be close to Putin too, but not for good reason, since NATO would be right up against Russia's borders, and those Minsk accords as Merkel said were not meant to be implemented but to allow the Ukraine to build up militarily.
100% agree with this.
The Arab states in particular Iran(which is not an Arab country) I think are holding back because they know the US have wanted a war with them for years.
I agree, but with Biden and his neocon agenda I really wonder what's coming. He calls the Houthis terrorists, a man, a country, that is complicit in a genocide. He opens our borders claiming to be a caring man, yet he's been complicit in killing over 50 thousand people, some 10 thousand of whom are children. He also fed weapons to the Ukrainians, and several hundred thousand are now dead to bring down Putin. His hypocrisy is stunning.
Well the name 'hypocrisy" should be added.
The United States of Hypocrisy. The same with the UK hypocrisy.
We are living in a world of .......I just don't know what to call it. Mass hysteria perhaps?
While the UK is deciding to send 'the boat people" to Rwanda.
The Iraelites want to get shot of the Palestinian people to places....UNKNOWN
Is there a place for these people which is 'safe.' I don't think so.
IF you can think of one country which is NOT war ravaged by religion/ethnic cleansing etc.
My husband and me have come up with one place in the world. Thailand. Although they have a problem with their so-called KING!
The Maldive Islands have told India to "get out." Which I think they are doing but who knows with Modi. He is no different than Biden.
I look at Bidens voting record (you can look too).
He voted for Clarence Thomas!!!!!!!
This stopped me beliveing in him years ago.
YOU have people in the DNC who tell you who to vote for....is this democracy?
I don't live in the US but I did for 23yrs and I was horrified MOSTLY because of education. You have the most stupid people on the planet. But you did not care.
Who is going to come to 'aid' you America while you have a Civil War?
I have so many American friends which are mostly leaving the US........what America cannot comprehend is that we too have legitimate excuses to deny entry to our countries.
My husband worked for American company's we were harrassed and denied entry multiple times. (I am going to write about this)
Well, maybe that's why Americans don't pay much attention to politics, no news is good news, and the only good news they'll get. You're denied entry, well Jenny maybe you and your husband should check out how to get into America illegally, and once here they'll even put you up in a nice hotel and pay for it, and if not send you off to a city that really can't afford you, but will throw high school kids out for a day or two and you can reside there, no doubt in the hallway, or they'll set up cots like they did at a mental facility. I have never liked Biden. He even had to step down from his presidential run in the 1980's since he got into the habit of stealing other people speeches. He's not only supported and pushed out many wars, but does a lousy imitation of someone who cares.
We lived in the US for 23yrs Fran and were hounded by immigration or 13yrs even though my husband was 'head hunted' by an American company.
Never ever want to see this country again.
After 13yrs we were given a Green card but on entering from another country we were abused by immigration.
And you think that American retribution has nothing to do with it? You think that the United States will not hesitate to sanction, bomb or murder anyone who stands up for Gaza? Perhaps you think that the United States attacked Yemen just because?
The reason Ansrallah stood up for Gaza is because they have no corrupt leaders with western assets to sanction, no western toys to be taken away, no fucks to give.
The Houthis "stood up for Gaza is because they have no corrupt leaders...."? Are you for real or just a troll? I'm leaning toward the latter.
Their leaders don't have western assets to sanction, western accounts to seize. They certainly don't live like the Gulfie tyrants or the Saudi potentates.
Keep trying.
Then how do you reply to Hezbollah, pal?
Good point. I also wonder if the Muslims in other nations aren't concerned about Israeli aggression towards them.
No, they aren't concerned or they'd be jointly fighting the Israelis on behalf of Hamas & the Gazans, but, as I said, they're no Sir Lancelot champions for Gazans or Hamas. They're just covering their own butts & happy that the toxic alpha-male Houthi chest pounders are willing to martyr themselves. It's always safer & cheaper in all ways to have others fight one's battles than doing it by oneself.
The Hout’hi are bonafide HEROES, shitforbrains. As are Hezbollah. If you don’t think they’re making a difference, think again. Container ships are refusing to dock in IsraHell, due to the astronomical insurance required to do so, costing the IsraHelli regime billions in lost revenue. Thank god for “alpha male chest pounders”!
Opinions are like arseholes: everybody has at least one. And ad hominem name-calling is a sure sign of a toxic alpha-male chest pounder who's been to myriad finishing schools & knows on which side his pita's buttered.
Iran has known for years that the US is after them...they are waiting and watching think.
I am not so sure but they certainly will be aided by Turkey and the other Farsi speaking people.
Chen Huizhe, maybe you could get off the "religions" track for explaining world events and start looking at geostrategic and geopolitical considerations.
There are many resources on the internet that explain why the leaders of many Middle Eastern and Arab countries (most of which are monarchies and dictatorships) do not want to get invovled in this conflict, even though the people of that nations they represent all support Palestinians and the Palestinian cause.
I seriously suggest using frameworks besides just religion to analyze world events. Maybe you might come across more answers to your questions this way?
Or people just want to live on their land and not be screwed with by jailers.