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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Lets hope it does not lead to global militarism

“I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.” https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/address-42d-session-united-nations-general-assembly-new-york-new-york?fbclid=IwAR2VK7BgfsdGbrUJvpyCCfjefF2AucLOAKTQuCbqMHq_mBPvuQf8ZRedE-c

The fact that I have heard other world leaders saying things along a similar lines in recent times (regarding how 'helpful' a perceived threat from outside this world would be in consolidating power and ensuring cooperation between nation states) is a little unnerving to me. Especially when one considers the historical use of psychological warfare operations by various military powers to influence the public towards similar ends. False flag operations ( known by the military as: "deceptive indication and warning operations") have been used many times before. The RMS Lusitania, the Reichstag fire, the Gulf of Tonkin and of course September 11, 2001.

Given the extremely advanced technology at the disposal of organizations like the DOD, NSA (and various U.S.A.P.-s operating under the umbrella of the US Airforce) I would say that the capability does exist to orchestrate the manufacturing of a perceived threat of that type. For people who want to perpetuate military spending and further consolidate power in the hands of the few on Earth, such a thing may be their end game. Only time will tell.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I don't think so. The Criminal Elite would join the aliens! As long as the pay was right they'd sell us out in a heart beat!

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

While I agree that the oligarchs see the majority of humanity as disposable your humorous hypothetical portrays interstellar capable cultures in an anthropomorphized fashion and that is illogical.

The idea of hostile, marauding, slave taking or abducting aliens is a fabricated and fallacious idea that has been implanted in the mass psyche intentionally through an array of psychological operations.

If you look at the long history of psyops and false flags (see: the “Blood libels” for one example) and then extrapolate the potential use of the kind of material people like Linda Moulton Howle are putting out in that context, you can begin to see how MILABS and staged mutilations (being blamed on ETs) can serve a very specific purpose. The same type of irrational fear based psychological warfare material is in most films and tv shows.

We have been conditioned by the movies and media to be apprehensive about the idea of interstellar civilizations visiting the earth but when you really think about it logically, the fear of 'invading aliens' does not make any sense.

Interstellar civilizations are indeed here (and have been visiting here for a long time) though the only threat in this equation, is us. Humans have a very violent, arrogant, egocentric and greedy track record in how we deal with each other and our fellow beings.

Being capable of travelling amongst the stars, interstellar visitors are ancient races of beings that would have seen the development of many worlds as they transition through this turbulent stage that humanity is going through now. Despite our violent, short sighted, fearful and sometimes down right idiotic behavior, we are living conscious beings and I feel that you don’t get to their stage of technological, social and likely spiritual development (being capable of interstellar travel) without coming to cherish and respect all life. The apparent sightings of the interstellar and inter-dimensional vehicles that have been going on world wide may be part of some kind of intentional acclimatization process (on the part of the interstellar visitors), allowing for the gentle introduction of this reality in the consciousness of humans.

Some would have you believe that there are “Good” guys and “Bad” guys in space. They describe the interstellar community like the 'wild west' and some even claim humans have a secret space force that’s going to save the day from 'evil aliens'. Come on people, don’t be naïve. If there were Interstellar civilizations here that wanted this planet or anything on it, it would be over by now. There would be no need for sneaking about and doing nasty clandestine activities. They would possess the capability to shut down any form of resistance humans attempted, with ease.

Early Psychological Warfare Research and the Rockefeller Foundation: https://www.globalresearch.ca/early-psychological-warfare-research-and-the-rockefeller-foundation

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

I agree completely.

Long ago, I asked myself why alien creatures from outer space would necessarily be antagonistic. I came to the same conclusions you did here.

One excuse for the common assumption that they would be is because that's what we are, so we're projecting.

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Thanks for reading and for the thoughtful comment Susan. I would like to clarify that I am not saying every single individual from every interstellar capable civilization is benevolent in their intentions, as there may be some exceptions to that general trend I described above that are also worth accounting for.

The reason I would like to point out that not every single being from elsewhere in the universe necessarily has benevolent intentions is that I have observed that much of humanity has an unhealthy proclivity to look for “savior” figures that they hope will swoop in and save the day and do the hard work for them cleaning up the mess they/we have made. Thus I do not think hoping for our cosmic neighbors to deal with the mess we have allowed to fester to the point it is at now is an advisable path if we want to break the cycles of the past and chart a new course as a civilization. Therefore I share the following.

Through my own research and personal experiences I have come to see that the most advanced and ancient of the interstellar species that are here now appear to be part of a collective of civilizations that work in concert toward their common goals (which among other things) include assisting younger species make the transition into safely moving beyond the confines of their planet and engaging with their neighbors. I have also learned that (though people like Dr. Steven Greer seem to avoid acknowledging this reality) there are less advanced interstellar civilizations which visit (and have visited) here as well (with the members of their species possessing varying degrees of integrity, compassion and social maturity) but these rogues make up a minority and though some of the individual members of these civilizations have engaged in somewhat nefarious activities, these are the actions of rogue criminals, and not representative of the intent nor nature of their respective species (nor the civilization/world they originated from) as a whole.

For instance, I have seen a substantial amount of archeological and other circumstantial evidence that seems to indicate that a limited number of some members of one technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization in particular, did engage with primitive humans in our ancient past (for selfish reasons).

From the geological, archeological and written documentation evidence I have seen, those rogue individuals (from a specific extraterrestrial culture) likely ended up engaging in a massive war (between factions of their own ‘people’) that involved weapons of mass destruction. (I can provide more in depth info and evidence on this if you are interested).

In recent history there have been several instances where nuclear missiles have been disabled and shut down by luminous spherical or disc shaped craft that arrived at high speed, hovered, shot beams of light which disabled the nukes, and then left at high speed strait up into the upper atmosphere.

In our current times perhaps we are being watched over to prevent this kind of crazy behavior from happening again (regardless of what beings are the ones looking to ‘pull the trigger’ this time around)?

The ancient Vedic texts, Egyptian mythology and Sumarian tablets are not unique in their describing ‘gods’ that came from the sky (or rather, beings that came from the stars).

Some cultures have a very different story to tell about extraterrestrial visitors they interacted with.

Many indigenous peoples all over the world claim cosmic origins, and they give great honor and homage to these “Star Nations.” The Dogon tribe of Africa traces its origins back to the star Sirius. The Stones of Ica, discovered in a cave near Nazca, Peru, are said to be a library of a way of life of ancient peoples who cataloged their astrology, astronomy, geography, and agriculture 60 million years ago. The Lakota, Kiowa, Cheyenne and Hopi all have oral traditions related to their origination from the Star Cluster Pleiades. Stories of other worldly beings are also present in several African legends of creation, like the Zulu people, which means “sky” people. There are plenty of other examples and I can elaborate on that further as well if you are interested.

I point out those historical and cultural perspectives on our cosmic neighbors to highlight the fact that what we are really talking about are myriad different civilizations, each comprised of likely billions or more sentient beings, all capable of using their own free will. So while their general social development and societal fabric may be a lot more mature than human's there is also the potential for some beings from civilizations that are much more close to our level of development (and just barely capable of leaving their solar system) to attempt to interact with people with less than benevolent intentions. While I do not think such hypothetical beings pose any large scale threat to our human family (as they are the equivalent of rogue criminals on the run) I do suggest we should exercise discernment and use our intuition capacities to decide whether or not each being we interact with is deserving of our trust, on an individual basis.

It is my hope that we (as a human family) do not perpetuate the prevalent mentality of the dualistic/judgmental/reactive approach of either demonizing or fearing that which we do not understand, Or looking for savior figures by putting our cosmic neighbors on that same pedestal. So, while I do genuinely believe we have much to learn from our cosmic neighbors and the study of the universe around us, I also believe that the best course of action for ensuring the social and spiritual development of our species is to refrain from putting our energy into hoping some external force will help us but rather take active steps to deal with this mess to the best of our ability on our own, allowing our heart to guide us and moving forward lovingly, humbly, honestly and courageously.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I agree with you on this. I see the core of human behavior in this the old "Shoot first syndrome" that we use against our fellow humans and always against animals and other creatures and the planet for that matter. Doesn't make it right but that's what people do. I think to if a civilization has the capability to travel such vast distances the most they could want from us would be to see if we survive each other!

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Jeano's avatar

Why do men always say “human behavior” when really what they are describing is toxic white American male behavior that they are starting to recognize but don’t want to own. O. I bet it’s cuz they don’t want to own it!! Duh!

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Gavin Mounsey's avatar

Pointing your finger accusingly at a subgrouping of humans that are differentiated by anatomy and genetics is a sure path to put yourself in the mind set of the psychopathic oligarchs that believe in eugenics. While historically it was indeed mostly men involved in overt acts of violence and patriarchal oppression, the choice to behave violently, nefariously, selfishly or oppressively is not something that is unique to men, and it certainly is not unique to a specific race of men from a certain geographic region. Falling into that kind of divide and conquer propaganda is exactly what the oligarchs want.

Here in Canada, we know very well how the same indoctrination that can be used to create violent, oppressive, psychotic males, can also be used to create the same kind of behavior and mentality in females.

Case and point:

- https://readpassage.com/chrystia-freeland-must-account-for-her-nazi-collaborator-grandfather/?fbclid=IwAR0RtMhKavzVBOeY_5wQgi9XDvNeel94wFc1YPXR5zkLXWYAaXiysQ4baY4

- https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/robert-spencer/2022/02/20/democracy-dies-in-canada-trudeau-government-to-make-some-of-their-new-authoritarian-measures-permanent-n1560716?fbclid=IwAR1T_KkgksCdhj_Ug95EIDgqVCMBzFOLKvVzzkCXDNeRtWai69ENvhq-dH4

- https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rupa-subramanya-chrystia-freelands-side-gig-with-the-wef-is-endangering-canadian-democracy?fbclid=IwAR2lLEPGHQy5FyYT4AFSkZzq00xEMqTwRape_MD0KO433U25OJew7YB0O8U

- https://www.rebelnews.com/leaked_rcmp_messages_time_for_the_protesters_to_hear_our_jackboots_on_the_ground

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Jeano's avatar

This reminds me of how the US lectures the world on human rights abuses while we shoot black men in the back (and exonerate the cops) cage children at the border (and turn on the cold to TEACH them not to come here). Support Israel. (Need I say more? ) and o ya, Gitmo. Mirror mirror on the wall…..

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

No, your gender can't drive Puritanism any better than any other. Aesthetics are childish.

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Jeano's avatar

This is funny. It’s all men who are pearl clutching about my observation that their gender is in denial. Musta hit a nerve.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Ever hear of Zulu warriors? Amazon's? Etc. Having such asss umptions well.

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