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Daniel Knopp's avatar

Yes, to become as conscious as possible. But what is there in that for us? I believe it is to become more fully human. The less conscious one is, the less human. The more conscious, the more human.

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Patrick Tracey's avatar

I agree we should seek to become as conscious as possible. However, I believe many people think that spiritual awakening leads automatically to happiness. It does not. It simply means a higher level of awareness. If you are truly aware you could not be happy with the current society. However, you may be driven to more awareness and helping others which will one day lead to us evolving as a species or destroying ourselves.

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Carol Diane Bevis's avatar

Another possible reply is the mystery surrounding what reality is. What is illusion? I think we are all connected souls having a human experience. This body is a temporary container.

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

Ever hear of Baha’i?

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Carol Diane Bevis's avatar

It depends. If you see there is an underlying intention of growth behind the barbarism you, as a conscious observer have a choice about how you let it continue to affect your life. Buddha said life is suffering and we can learn to be in the world but not of the world.

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jamenta's avatar

Your comment reminds me of a paragraph I recently read from Robert Aziz's book on Synchronicity, Jung and Religion:

"Speaking with an acquaintance at his home in Kusnacht in 1938, Jung, reflecting on this problem of suffering, commented that in the East the objective is to eliminate suffering, "by casting it off," whereas in the West people resort to drugs seeking to suppress it. Suffering, Jung continued, is a serious problem, and we must seek to overcome it, yet in actual fact the "only way to overcome it is to endure it." #JPRS #p44

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

Ever hear of the Electric Universe and Thunderbolts Project?

https://youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject

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Patrick Tracey's avatar

I would like to believe that but that’s not my experience or that of people I meet at Pagan/Shaman gatherings and retreats. But I’m not a Buddhist though have visited monks and a Buddhist nun. Each to there own path Borza. But after reading half a dozen or books or so on Buddhism I realised there were a lot of rules, traditions and male dominated hierarchy which felt more like main stream religion. I prefer the guides and signposts my path gives me. The simplicity of worshipping Mother Earth and nature being my church resounds with me. Namaste.

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

You should check out the Baha’i: https://youtu.be/GPKEkSXhtgw

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jamenta's avatar

I believe our most human moments are the most sacred.

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Krisno Pryosusilo's avatar

Not to be confused with being homo-sapiens; which I presume many will assume that being human is.

Having said that, consciousness is over-rated. Far preferable is nothingness. To blot everything out so that it never is, total erasure so that even the concept of erasure becomes meaningless. I understand the allure of total annihilation, body AND soul into nothingness and maybe if we're lucky it will happen.

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

Don’t cut yourself on that edge.

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Krisno Pryosusilo's avatar

Talking about edges, it looks like we're right on track for an irradiated planet. Let's get together when this happens and we can compare radiation burns or have a race to see which of our body parts decompose and drop off first. I'll have my overdose ready, and I'll even share it with you if you play nice.

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