Circumcision should be prohibited. It's category A child abuse. Remember they do it at 8 days old. It becomes an internalised trauma, which results, after indoctrination, of hatred of the other/strangers, as well as irrevocably destroying the mother-child bond. Explains a lot, psychologically.
No 'god' would ever demand such an evil, child-abusive practice. That's not a god, it's a demon pretending to be a god. By gaslighting his followers into doing one of the most evil things imaginable - abusing their own children - he is essentially succeeding in getting them to do anything evil. As we are seeing in Palestine.
".. It becomes an internalised trauma, which results, after indoctrination, of hatred of the other/strangers, as well as irrevocably destroying the mother-child bond. .."
What total bullshit!
You have no facts to support that ridiculous assertion.
"..No 'god' would ever demand such an evil, child-abusive practice .." Well he is the "God" that all Jewish and billions of Christians follow and have faith in, do you have several billion followers over centuries? No, I did not think so.
The Africans have the circumcision as a rite of manhood. No God, merely 20,000 years of tradition. Like Muslims, this rite is conducted between the ages of 13 and 16, so no the trauma does not have any effect on Mother-child relations.
Your feelings and opinions do not apply outside of your skull and yet you feel you have the right to judge and instruct others in how they should conduct their lives.
You have a serious mental issue and should seek help.
Yes. Any of us that offer opinions that disagree with yours are arrogant people--how DARE we express an opinion?! If we persist clearly we are in need of medical help. But be careful--you have come dangerously close to expressing an opinion yourself!
Not at all, you can express an opinion, as I do, but I do not feel that my opinion should form the basis for world behaviour.
It is the dictatorial mind set that believes that their opinion has some moral, ethical 'right' to be enforced on everyone else, regardless of their religion, culture or tradition that makes it a mental issue.
A nation without boundaries is not a nation. (See Israel for example) Laws regarding entry and exit are relatively new. In the 1800s and early 1900s one could come and go as one wished.
Originally a travel document issued to foreigners to allow them to enter and pass through the city portal.
Actually, research shows that circumcision permanently lowers the pain threshold.
Furthermore, circumcision has been linked to significantly increased likelihood of the child becoming a rapist as an adult.
Your attack on Evelyn as having a "serious mental issue" is a disgusting ad hominem, or rather, ad mulierem, attack.
It seems highly likely that you are a circumcised man who is desperately defending his mutilated state, unable to cope with the reality that his parents chose to deprive him of tens of thousands of specialized erogenous nerve endings.
I was wondering whether he was also a circumcision victim, gaslighted into defending it because he's not allowed to say his parents abused him. That's the pathology right there, and he's clearly been triggered somehow.
I know he denies it in his reply below, but I have my doubts...
2/ African tribes don’t mutilate babies who can’t have anything explained to them and can’t consent. That’s why they wait until teenagerhood. So it’s not a trauma.
3/ Actually, there are facts to support these assertions - there are many psychology papers on the subject. I’m not going to link to any of them for you however because a/ you wouldn’t read them, because you’re not capable of changing your opinions, and b/ I very much doubt you’d understand the papers anyway. So no point, really.
4/ I don’t see what your point is about some demon pretending to be a god having so many followers. If anything, that simply proves just how powerful the coercive control has been. It’s infantilising. Mature human beings do not need to follow some authoritarian entity, god or demon. They don’t need ‘commandments’ or ‘diktats’ or to be told what to do, think, believe, feel etc. You clearly do, because you are incapable of psychological maturity. Mature people are innately good, and can tell the difference between right and wrong. The fact that you are attempting to defend lifelong mutilation of an innocent 8-days old baby, with all the accompanying trauma, adequately demonstrates your own inability to tell the difference. I seriously hope you don’t have children.
1) no because about 20% - 50% don't make it to puberty. It is a rite of passage to adulthood.
2) Are you insane, it is much more traumatic when you can see and understand what is happening and not have access to painkillers.
3) For every Psychologist that shares your view I can bring another who is totally opposed. it is the nature of today's society, in every sphere.
4) One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, one man's demon is another man's god. The point about followers is that it has bearing on the weight of an opinion. "Mature people are innately good" you have no data to support that assertion and further you cannot define "good" except in your cultural environment. Killing is good if the government sanctions it. Theft is moral if it is in the form of taxes. Sex is bad unless you are 16 (in some states) 18 (in others) or 21 if you are insane.
5) I am not 'defending' anything except freedom. your viewpoint is not shared by millions not even in the western culture, so for you to make your opinion the basis of what others should or should not do is sheer hubris.
I hope that you do not have children, I encouraged mine to think for themselves and question everything. Which is why they are extremely successful and wealthy.
I am far too responsible to bring a child into a dystopian hell like this world. It would be cruel, abusive, and selfish. The only potential reason why I'd bring a child into this world would be to fully train it in all the skills and talents and understanding it needed to become a leader of the resistance. If that necessitated Monarch-style MPD programming then so be it.
Even so, given the number of children in the world without parents I would go down the adoption route, and make very sure that child knew it was loved.
If your children are 'extremely successful and wealthy' then I'm guessing they must be very well adapted to this society.
So you don't have children, you don't want children, you hate the world and all that is in it, you want to torture and traumatise children so that they can become terrorists and yet you want to give advice to people who are parents.!
'Sincerely' there is zero "Hysteria" in any of my responses.
When people make assertions, such as ".. hysterical in your responses" or "... It becomes an internalised trauma, which results, after indoctrination, of hatred of the other/strangers, as well as irrevocably destroying the mother-child bond. .." it is arrogant and annoying.
I make clear when I am expressing an opinion and do not expect, much less demand, that others share that opinion.
"Billions of people have been wrong before" is true, but that offers no reason to suppose that they are wrong in this instance.
I find it amusing that maybe 1 in 10 responses actually address an issue and attempt a logical, fact based refutation.
The rest are just annoyed that their beliefs and ideas have no real basis that can be defended.
I am fully aware of that, but it has no bearing on the fact that Jewish tradition and beliefs are still held, or that millions of Muslims and Africans still practise it.
Circumcision should be prohibited. It's category A child abuse. Remember they do it at 8 days old. It becomes an internalised trauma, which results, after indoctrination, of hatred of the other/strangers, as well as irrevocably destroying the mother-child bond. Explains a lot, psychologically.
No 'god' would ever demand such an evil, child-abusive practice. That's not a god, it's a demon pretending to be a god. By gaslighting his followers into doing one of the most evil things imaginable - abusing their own children - he is essentially succeeding in getting them to do anything evil. As we are seeing in Palestine.
".. It becomes an internalised trauma, which results, after indoctrination, of hatred of the other/strangers, as well as irrevocably destroying the mother-child bond. .."
What total bullshit!
You have no facts to support that ridiculous assertion.
"..No 'god' would ever demand such an evil, child-abusive practice .." Well he is the "God" that all Jewish and billions of Christians follow and have faith in, do you have several billion followers over centuries? No, I did not think so.
The Africans have the circumcision as a rite of manhood. No God, merely 20,000 years of tradition. Like Muslims, this rite is conducted between the ages of 13 and 16, so no the trauma does not have any effect on Mother-child relations.
Your feelings and opinions do not apply outside of your skull and yet you feel you have the right to judge and instruct others in how they should conduct their lives.
You have a serious mental issue and should seek help.
Yes. Any of us that offer opinions that disagree with yours are arrogant people--how DARE we express an opinion?! If we persist clearly we are in need of medical help. But be careful--you have come dangerously close to expressing an opinion yourself!
Not at all, you can express an opinion, as I do, but I do not feel that my opinion should form the basis for world behaviour.
It is the dictatorial mind set that believes that their opinion has some moral, ethical 'right' to be enforced on everyone else, regardless of their religion, culture or tradition that makes it a mental issue.
So you don't believe in universal human rights. Got it.
lol! You’re truly an idiot!
A nation without boundaries is not a nation. (See Israel for example) Laws regarding entry and exit are relatively new. In the 1800s and early 1900s one could come and go as one wished.
Originally a travel document issued to foreigners to allow them to enter and pass through the city portal.
Actually, research shows that circumcision permanently lowers the pain threshold.
Furthermore, circumcision has been linked to significantly increased likelihood of the child becoming a rapist as an adult.
Your attack on Evelyn as having a "serious mental issue" is a disgusting ad hominem, or rather, ad mulierem, attack.
It seems highly likely that you are a circumcised man who is desperately defending his mutilated state, unable to cope with the reality that his parents chose to deprive him of tens of thousands of specialized erogenous nerve endings.
1) lowers etc. So what?
2) I doubt that it is Circumcision, the cultures that practise it are usually far more violent and misogynistic.
Anyone who wants to dictate what everyone else must do has a serious mental issue.
I am not circumcised so that blows your whole BS out of the water.
Have a nice day.
Have a nice day, child abuser.
I was wondering whether he was also a circumcision victim, gaslighted into defending it because he's not allowed to say his parents abused him. That's the pathology right there, and he's clearly been triggered somehow.
I know he denies it in his reply below, but I have my doubts...
1/ Stop projecting.
2/ African tribes don’t mutilate babies who can’t have anything explained to them and can’t consent. That’s why they wait until teenagerhood. So it’s not a trauma.
3/ Actually, there are facts to support these assertions - there are many psychology papers on the subject. I’m not going to link to any of them for you however because a/ you wouldn’t read them, because you’re not capable of changing your opinions, and b/ I very much doubt you’d understand the papers anyway. So no point, really.
4/ I don’t see what your point is about some demon pretending to be a god having so many followers. If anything, that simply proves just how powerful the coercive control has been. It’s infantilising. Mature human beings do not need to follow some authoritarian entity, god or demon. They don’t need ‘commandments’ or ‘diktats’ or to be told what to do, think, believe, feel etc. You clearly do, because you are incapable of psychological maturity. Mature people are innately good, and can tell the difference between right and wrong. The fact that you are attempting to defend lifelong mutilation of an innocent 8-days old baby, with all the accompanying trauma, adequately demonstrates your own inability to tell the difference. I seriously hope you don’t have children.
1) no because about 20% - 50% don't make it to puberty. It is a rite of passage to adulthood.
2) Are you insane, it is much more traumatic when you can see and understand what is happening and not have access to painkillers.
3) For every Psychologist that shares your view I can bring another who is totally opposed. it is the nature of today's society, in every sphere.
4) One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, one man's demon is another man's god. The point about followers is that it has bearing on the weight of an opinion. "Mature people are innately good" you have no data to support that assertion and further you cannot define "good" except in your cultural environment. Killing is good if the government sanctions it. Theft is moral if it is in the form of taxes. Sex is bad unless you are 16 (in some states) 18 (in others) or 21 if you are insane.
5) I am not 'defending' anything except freedom. your viewpoint is not shared by millions not even in the western culture, so for you to make your opinion the basis of what others should or should not do is sheer hubris.
I hope that you do not have children, I encouraged mine to think for themselves and question everything. Which is why they are extremely successful and wealthy.
Yet you yourself refuse to question circumcision. Got it.
I am far too responsible to bring a child into a dystopian hell like this world. It would be cruel, abusive, and selfish. The only potential reason why I'd bring a child into this world would be to fully train it in all the skills and talents and understanding it needed to become a leader of the resistance. If that necessitated Monarch-style MPD programming then so be it.
Even so, given the number of children in the world without parents I would go down the adoption route, and make very sure that child knew it was loved.
If your children are 'extremely successful and wealthy' then I'm guessing they must be very well adapted to this society.
So you don't have children, you don't want children, you hate the world and all that is in it, you want to torture and traumatise children so that they can become terrorists and yet you want to give advice to people who are parents.!
Got it.
Get help.
It’s called irony
Ok, transphobe.
'Sincerely' there is zero "Hysteria" in any of my responses.
When people make assertions, such as ".. hysterical in your responses" or "... It becomes an internalised trauma, which results, after indoctrination, of hatred of the other/strangers, as well as irrevocably destroying the mother-child bond. .." it is arrogant and annoying.
I make clear when I am expressing an opinion and do not expect, much less demand, that others share that opinion.
"Billions of people have been wrong before" is true, but that offers no reason to suppose that they are wrong in this instance.
I find it amusing that maybe 1 in 10 responses actually address an issue and attempt a logical, fact based refutation.
The rest are just annoyed that their beliefs and ideas have no real basis that can be defended.
I am fully aware of that, but it has no bearing on the fact that Jewish tradition and beliefs are still held, or that millions of Muslims and Africans still practise it.
It is totally irrelevant.