Jeez, maybe because we atheists realise that we only have one life, this is it, let's make the best of it while we can.
If some idiot with a holy book does something good, great, but they're also likely to do something really horrible and evil and either think that it's ok because of their religion or that they'll be forgiven by their invisible friend.
An atheist's moral is based on what's best for the most of us. A religious person's moral is based on weird rules in (usually) a really old book that in the end is all about scoring points in 'heaven'.
An idiot with a holy book hiding behind some religion is just that - an idiot. No one can claim they heard something from heaven, or on the radio for that matter, and justify their actions by it. No one can use belief as a cover, by definition. When you hear such claims you know it's a fraud before you, or just a fool.
Just like when you hear atheists are better humans due to their "one life" realization. They are not. Plenty of horrible actions from this "enlightened" kind as well.
Well, some people are simply psychopaths/sociopaths, and given that many societies/cultures are construed in a way that help them climb, some of them will be atheists. I just personally think that a human being needs either a mental disorder or religion to do evil. I won't say out loud whether I think believing in invisible friends IS a mental disorder... but I believe (that word almost feels tainted) that most horrible actions on a huge scale are religious. Even Hitler was Christian.
Hitler was Christian? Did he claim he was? That Nazis used "Gott mit uns" means they were religious? That they invoked church when they needed it for arousal purposes means they believed?
One can claim anything about oneself. That means nothing in the end as the actions are one's sole responsibility. Hiding behind religion or lack thereof doesn't cut it.
When McKinley claimed providence for his decision to go after Philippines, or Bush after Iraq, they were full of shit. They would be claiming atheism if that helped them at the time.
As far as mental disorder - it can affect anybody and manifest in any kind of way, including claiming belief. Which, again, when and if pronounced publicly is already a fraud. It is strictly personal and must remain such.
"I don't understand what you're arguing about or why." - easy, just go back and see when you cut into the thread and basically introduced the notion of atheists being essentially superior to believers.
What I assert is that every single human is responsible for his/her actions despite any claim they can make re their beliefs, moral incentives, or lack thereof. For a true believer though - in good, not evil as that is also a belief (Church of Satan etc) - to engage in some bad deeds here is asking for trouble. For an atheist it doesn't matter one way or the other.
Re Hitler's "christianity" - he could have said anything about his "faith". He was a believer indeed, and a firm one at that. But his holy book was "Mein Kampf". It's also a religion, and not a good one (Satanists might disagree though). And he conducted it. If he were a true Christian where did he think he was heading? With the suicide on top?
If Hitler had any religious beliefs at all they probably had more to do with something called the Thule society, or the Vril society, along with many other of the top ranking Nazis.
Oddly enough though, most of Hitler's ideas came from England at the time and the Cecil Rhodes/Alfred Milner Round Table.
Which is exactly why both England and America, (with it's own branch of the Round Table, the Council on Foreign Relations,) were slow to get into the war - they agreed with much of what Hitler was saying and it served their own purposes...
It wasn't until he had taken their own ideas all the way to their logical conclusions that they finally realized that they had to step in - not because they disagreed with him you understand, but purely because of his lack of subtlety which they knew would upset and deter their own plans for the world.
It's a fascinating study which sets the stage for everything we are experiencing today.
Lie esteemed atheists, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, as opposed to those dreadful idiotic believers, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King. Yeah, I get your point.
Jeez, maybe because we atheists realise that we only have one life, this is it, let's make the best of it while we can.
If some idiot with a holy book does something good, great, but they're also likely to do something really horrible and evil and either think that it's ok because of their religion or that they'll be forgiven by their invisible friend.
An atheist's moral is based on what's best for the most of us. A religious person's moral is based on weird rules in (usually) a really old book that in the end is all about scoring points in 'heaven'.
I could go on for hours...
I bet you could but there's no need.
An idiot with a holy book hiding behind some religion is just that - an idiot. No one can claim they heard something from heaven, or on the radio for that matter, and justify their actions by it. No one can use belief as a cover, by definition. When you hear such claims you know it's a fraud before you, or just a fool.
Just like when you hear atheists are better humans due to their "one life" realization. They are not. Plenty of horrible actions from this "enlightened" kind as well.
Well, some people are simply psychopaths/sociopaths, and given that many societies/cultures are construed in a way that help them climb, some of them will be atheists. I just personally think that a human being needs either a mental disorder or religion to do evil. I won't say out loud whether I think believing in invisible friends IS a mental disorder... but I believe (that word almost feels tainted) that most horrible actions on a huge scale are religious. Even Hitler was Christian.
Hitler was Christian? Did he claim he was? That Nazis used "Gott mit uns" means they were religious? That they invoked church when they needed it for arousal purposes means they believed?
One can claim anything about oneself. That means nothing in the end as the actions are one's sole responsibility. Hiding behind religion or lack thereof doesn't cut it.
When McKinley claimed providence for his decision to go after Philippines, or Bush after Iraq, they were full of shit. They would be claiming atheism if that helped them at the time.
As far as mental disorder - it can affect anybody and manifest in any kind of way, including claiming belief. Which, again, when and if pronounced publicly is already a fraud. It is strictly personal and must remain such.
Hitler said he was and invoked it in at least one speech, don't remember which, sorry.
Yes, some, maybe even most were, and quite devout.
The crusaders thought of themselves as Christians fighting against "the evil Muslims", do you question that too?
I'm not saying they're good, right, or whatever, I'm saying they are quite serious and firmly believe they have some god on their side.
That religion must be strictly personal and private is just your opinion. Plenty of religions encourage proselytizing, or even demand it.
I don't agree with it/them but I'm not telling them how to exercise their faith either. I don't understand what you're arguing about or why.
"I don't understand what you're arguing about or why." - easy, just go back and see when you cut into the thread and basically introduced the notion of atheists being essentially superior to believers.
What I assert is that every single human is responsible for his/her actions despite any claim they can make re their beliefs, moral incentives, or lack thereof. For a true believer though - in good, not evil as that is also a belief (Church of Satan etc) - to engage in some bad deeds here is asking for trouble. For an atheist it doesn't matter one way or the other.
Re Hitler's "christianity" - he could have said anything about his "faith". He was a believer indeed, and a firm one at that. But his holy book was "Mein Kampf". It's also a religion, and not a good one (Satanists might disagree though). And he conducted it. If he were a true Christian where did he think he was heading? With the suicide on top?
Ok. <sigh>
If Hitler had any religious beliefs at all they probably had more to do with something called the Thule society, or the Vril society, along with many other of the top ranking Nazis.
Oddly enough though, most of Hitler's ideas came from England at the time and the Cecil Rhodes/Alfred Milner Round Table.
https://canadianpatriot.org/2015/04/11/cecil-rhodes-the-roundtable-movement-and-eugenics/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16937753327484&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fcanadianpatriot.org%2F2015%2F04%2F11%2Fcecil-rhodes-the-roundtable-movement-and-eugenics%2F
Which is exactly why both England and America, (with it's own branch of the Round Table, the Council on Foreign Relations,) were slow to get into the war - they agreed with much of what Hitler was saying and it served their own purposes...
It wasn't until he had taken their own ideas all the way to their logical conclusions that they finally realized that they had to step in - not because they disagreed with him you understand, but purely because of his lack of subtlety which they knew would upset and deter their own plans for the world.
It's a fascinating study which sets the stage for everything we are experiencing today.
Here is an excellent book on the subject:
https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/my-first-book-is-now-outthe-empire
National Socialism was an atheistic cult.
Their god was Mammon, same as every other managerialism.
Lie esteemed atheists, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, as opposed to those dreadful idiotic believers, Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King. Yeah, I get your point.