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arthur brogard's avatar

Yep I've often wondered why we don't get more information on the personal riches of many of these 'movers and shakers', 'wheeler dealers', 'power brokers', 'presidents' etc...

I think Zelensky might simply be an out of his depth taking refuge in rhetoric puppet (even scared out of his wits by azov threats to top him if he doesn't obey) but he may be actually being bribed big time and we'd like to know, or he may be relatively penniless and puppet or not, or what, we'd feel a little kindlier towards him, we'd like to know.

It seems to be a difficult thing for investigative journalists to discover.

Though in the movies they dig it up in seconds on a laptop in the car when required. You don't mean the movies are not quite accurate do you?

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J M Hatch's avatar

He has never left the employ of Ilhor Kolomoskyi, who seed funded Azov, just as Joe and Hunter are on Kolomoskyi's payroll.

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Phillip's avatar

You could just as easily argue that Kolomoskyi was/is paying protection money to Joe. The corruption certainly has the character of a protection racket. The subordinate gangsters and warlords of Ukraine provide a cut to the gangsters who front NATO. At the moment Kolomoskyi has legal troubles in the US, most likely a reminder from Washington to Zelenskyi who the ultimate boss is or at least a means to incentivise loyalty and prevent Kolomoskyi from switching sides.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Actually Arthur, Zelensky is suppose to have a $35M mansion in Miami. But that's only the beginning.

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Phillip's avatar

Investigative journalists in Ukraine are guaranteed to attract the attention of the SBU (Ukrainian secret police). In the West they would simply get blacklisted from employment. To his credit, Zelenskyi is clearly less corrupt that Poroshenko and between the Americans, the oligarchs and the far right has good reason to fear for his life. If he strays from the script, he dies. In a war zone it would be easy to pass of an assassination as enemy fire. The Ukrainian secret police already killed a senior diplomat at the talks with Russia in Gomel, allegedly for being a traitor (expressing a desire for compromise). The Chinese have a saying: kill the chicken to frighten the monkey.

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arthur brogard's avatar

I hope I'm not just following propaganda but I do feel it is true that Yanukovych fled in fear of his life. So I'm inclined to believe Zelensky's in peril. I'll tell you what, he always looks frightened to me.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

"Zelenskyi is clearly less corrupt that Poroshenko"

Or is he just a "beard" that allows the corruption to be handled without his interference. Then, "less corrupt" reminds me of Vote Blue No Matter Who -- look at how that turned out.

We watch too many cop movies where we are given the "less bad" crook and we start rooting for him. Better Call Saul comes to mind.

Yes, the Nazis have threatened to kill Zelensky many times. So? It isn't like anything Zelensky does is going to alter the path to WWIII. That decision is going to be made elsewhere, by a demented bicyclist. And he'll only do it because he's as much a puppet as Zelensky.

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Phillip's avatar

Good points. The fact that he is a hero to Washington, London and Brussels settles the issue of his ethics. If he were any good, he'd be in a Ukrainian prison or just dead.

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