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Aunt Jane's avatar

I’d think you’d be delighted that Israel has found a way to go after the actual monsters without endangering the rest! So far only one innocent has been killed out of about 4000! You need to view some of the actual footage from Hamas GoPros of the murder/rape of civilians.

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Fitzjames Wood's avatar

Yes, I keep looking and you keep saying but I tell you what, can you send me any link to Hamas rape of civilians? (the IDF have actually filmed themselves/admitted to gang raping their hostages). There were murders on Oct 7th no doubt (all killing is murder)..but the kibbutz men are mostly reservists or former reservists, so are the victims civilians? (I am not excusing killing of any sort.)

Israel government, army and its supporters make wild claims about the horrors of Hamas. But Israeli media seems at odds with these wild stories. Particularly from Israeli hostages themselves. Yochaved Lifshitz an 85 year old Israeli woman, shook the hand of one of her Hamas captors who treated her with 'care' and gentleness'. Her words. One women with two children interviewed on Israeli TV said Hamas occupied her home. Were polite, one asking if he could have a banana....and then left peacefully..maybe they were the good Hamas..

This is not an apology for Hamas but shows us that what you or I have been told about these 'evil' men may be somewhat more nuanced.

However, what we have been old about Israel's most 'moral' army has proved entirely bogus. They are the most hideous bunch of evil child murdering terrorist thugs. I can say this because they have proudly showed themselves to be such; filming their terror acts laughingly posting them on Tik Tok. They have boasted of gang raping Palestinians even on Israeli TV shows...one proudly removing his balaclava to demonstrate his shamelessness. Who are the animals here?

Can any right minded person support such crimes? And now this terrorism. 12 dead..including 2 children and 4 health care workers...CHILDREN AND HEALTH CARE WORKERS....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kn10xxldo

And why would I be delighted in any act of terror? Or in the death of anyone? Hezbollah are the legal armed military defenders of Lebanon..their political party won 22% of the democratic vote in Lebanon's 2022 election.

You cite no references, no links..just wild claims...rape and murder...that is Israel's MO and it is well-documented by all human rights groups including Israel's own B'Tselem. So, talking of monsters..what do you think?:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-rights-group-says-palestinian-prisoners-subject-systematic-abuse-2024-08-05/

https://www.btselem.org/video/20242025_settlers_graze_cattle_on_private_palestinian_land_and_harass_and_threaten_family_in_wadi_a_rakhim_south_hebron_hills

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Aunt Jane's avatar

Of course the men in the kibbutz had been in the military all Israelis are required to serve, even women. And there are non Jews and Druz in the army. The most of the few prisoners who have been released were in poor condition. The last 6 found dead were near starvation.

Most of northern Israel has been evacuated due to the constant barrage of rockets from Lebanon.

A number of the murderers on Oct 2 were UN workers.

I don’t have links to every article. There are many personal accounts of the people who survived the massacre and also from the first of the prisoners released from the Hamas tunnels on YouTube.

Whatever Israel is or isn’t Hezbollah are violent extremists and however much I feel for anyone wounded targeting individual terrorists is much preferred to killing civilians.

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