I have to laugh at the fruitcakes here and elsewhere who lament Kadaffy Duck's death and manner of death. They won't bother to shed a tear for Sophie Scholl, but Kadaffy Duck, well, he's a hero and a martyr. That's honey trap bullshit for sure. Nobody forced Kadaffy to swim in the waters he swam in. He was a brutal military dictator and certainly not the answer to empire or imperialism. That's not apologia for the West's machinations regarding Libya by the way. I never condoned any of it. A bullet to Kadaffy Duck's head would have been more acceptable and that bullet should have been delivered and could have been forty years prior at least. It wasn't because Kadaffy was useful in some way.
They did decide. They decided to end Kadaffy Duck's life brutally. Next you'll tell me I should shed a tear for what the Italians did to Mussolini and his mistress.
It was a Hillary operation. "We came, we saw, he died <cackle, cackle, cackle>"
Tereza is right -- Kaddafi was negotiating with the rest of Africa to set up a pan-African currency that would have challenged the dollar's dominance.
"The people" didn't "decide" anything. There were NGOs financed by NED that organized terrorist mobs to take down the Libyan government. Look at the mess it is in now.
Libya is just another victim of the US quest for hegemony. It is disturbing that you maintain a "Tucker Carlson" perspective on what is happening in the world.
Now I know you're an imposter. Ukraine has never had a legitimate government since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Corruption is all Ukraine has ever known.
👍💯🎯 it was a Killary Operation. They wanted his gold. Quadaffi also kept terrorists in check. He was no saint BUT facts are facts. Amazing how sheeple quick to battle for CIA asset "Phucker Carlson". Focus on what he's NOT reporting. Same with Elon Musk. Focus on what he's NOT releasing.
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Libya was more a France operation than it was an American operation. Sark led the charge of the Light Brigade. Obama had to be pushed kicking and screaming into it. It was not his choice, but of course, he ultimately did acquiesce.
It's tragic what has become of Libya and it was foreseeable and maybe even intended by those who stoked the civil war. That's independent of the fact that Libyans decided to brutally execute him.
I have a chapter in my book on Qaddafi called Swept Away by the Currency, mostly informed by Vijay Prashad's Arab Spring, Libyan Winter. After he nationalized the 3M barrels of oil per day exported by the 7 Sisters, Prashad writes: "The money was then diverted towards social welfare, mainly an increase in housing and healthcare ... fixing a minimum wage and slashing the obscene rents being charged by property owners ... When Qaddafi took power, the literacy rate in Libya was a miserable 20%. The consequences of the transfer payments lifted the rate to 90% by 1980." He allowed people to settle on confiscated Italian land with interest free loans and low interest to buy farm equipment and a gov't salary until they became self-sufficient. He built the Man-Made River that brought water to 70% of the population. Workers took control of about 200 companies and bank holdings had an upper limit. He donated $300M to help Africa set up their own satellite phone system instead of paying Europe $500M a year. All possible because Libya isn't part of the BIS and owns its banks and currency--something it was about to bring to all of Africa along with Laurent Gbagbo of the Cote d'Ivoire.
Instead, Qaddafi ends up brutally murdered, as Phillip points out, and the new BIS Bank of Benghazi is formed and an oil deal with Qatar is signed before his body is cold in the freezer where it's thrown. Gbagbo was kidnapped in a French coup and taken to the Hague.
I don't really care about analyzing personalities, Qaddafi's or Putin's or Trump's. I analyze policies and their actual results. That Carlson is making a hero of Bolsonaro tells me he's either complicit or deluded. It matters which, but the result is the same.
The Sisters....remember Enrico Mattei? Enough said. I believe that the first official act of the anti-Gaddaffi forces was to establish a central bank. The first rebels in history to do anything like that. It gives it all away. The BIS is surely one of the great fountains of evil and cruelty. We all need to do as much as possible to direct attention towards it.
Your disinclination to analyze personalities is wise. Keeping the focus on the tangible, pragmatic, facts is the key. A focus on personalities leads us astray.
And Sunni Arabs at that! The only people on earth to retain a cultural/religious abhorrence of finance. And the rebels were supported by Qatar (which is Wahabi). The official narrative does not add up.
That's a great question and google, from a quick search, is not going to give us that answer! I think that Russia has been able to decouple thanks to the sanctions. I talk about Putin's brilliant economic policies, which I suspect are due to Sergei Glazyev, in Russia: A Wrench in the Reset Gears? Iran is certainly not a part. Venezuela? And the elephant, China? China definitely creates its own currency and has been able to fund projects without borrowing, which caching all the export wealth. What three are you thinking of?
I thought probably North Korea, Iran and China but truth be told I don't know for sure, this is all way too complex for me. Just trying to understand what's going on in general. Thanks for the link Tereza.
I have to laugh at people who think fallen dictators like Qaddafi getting what they deserve was some kind of western delivered justice. They won't bother to shed a tear for the thousands of victims of Reagan's born again death squads in El Salvador in the 1980's (War on drugs? just say no! Iran-Contra scandal anyone?) They turn away from the 3 million starved to death by Churchill in Bengal in 1943. Only some dictators are worthy of their hate...you know, the uppity swarthy fellows like Sadaam (who the US continued to help, even when he was using chemical weapons on Kurdish civilians)...and now the mass slaughtering in Yemen by the head chop prince of the house of Saud...'please sir, can I have some more...oil'. All that sniveling western hand wringing...about dictators...really?
Exactly. Not to mention that no US president was a saint, does it justify a foreign power overthrowing him for alleged misdoings (and there are plenty)?
No doubt many feel that way, but not me. That's not even a good try. I'm not sure what persuasion you are if any, but you're a buffoon if you think Kadaffy Duck is someone or something to use as a retort to or resistance to empire or imperialism. How is blowing up nearly 300 noncombatants over Lockerbie "giving it to the man?"
There are three worlds.
1. The world we live in.
2. The world that could and should be.
3. The world we want to live in.
When discussing Kadaffy Duck and his demise, I prefer to analyze it according the the world in which we live. That's the context. In a world that could and should be, not only is what happened to Kadaffy anathema and nay impossible, but so too is the likes of Kadaffy anathema and nay impossible and that's the world I want to live in but unfortunately that isn't this world, is it?
I lament nothing but the manner that he was murdered was cruel and foul. Gaddaffi was no hero, but Libya did have the highest standard of living in Africa and the terrorist stuff he admitted to sponsoring (as a price for reconciling with the West) was in fact carried out by the Syrians. The religious nuts who hated Gaddaffi are stooges of the Western intelligence services.
You are dead right about Gaddaffi being useful. The anti-Western antics of Gaddaffi (like Mugabe etc) never got in the way of essential business. It is political theatre.
I agree the cheering on of his undignified execution by Hillary and Obama and their ilk was sick. So much for human rights. What disgusting hypocrites they are.
I am comfortable with their hypocrisy, it is their lack of empathy that is chilling. We are ruled by sociopaths. There is no limit to the cruelty that people like Hilary and Obama will tolerate and there is no point believing that they feel any differently towards any of us.
His actions assure he will. For someone who is so smart, he's not so smart. The American Christian Fascists he has helped enable will turn on him in a heart beat and ram a bayonet so far up his ass it exits his mouth. That, or they will nuke Russia MAD be damned.
Phillip, see my answer to SBN if you think that nationalizing the oil and demonstrating what can be done with a Central Bank not tied to the BIS and a currency not held in the French Treasury never got in the way of essential business. He almost torpedoed the petrodollar a decade earlier than Putin is. The "Axis of Evil" corresponds exactly to the small handful of countries whose central banks aren't tied to the BIS and IMF. Owning the oil is chump change. The big game hunters go for the currency in which oil can be bought.
I have to laugh at the fruitcakes here and elsewhere who lament Kadaffy Duck's death and manner of death. They won't bother to shed a tear for Sophie Scholl, but Kadaffy Duck, well, he's a hero and a martyr. That's honey trap bullshit for sure. Nobody forced Kadaffy to swim in the waters he swam in. He was a brutal military dictator and certainly not the answer to empire or imperialism. That's not apologia for the West's machinations regarding Libya by the way. I never condoned any of it. A bullet to Kadaffy Duck's head would have been more acceptable and that bullet should have been delivered and could have been forty years prior at least. It wasn't because Kadaffy was useful in some way.
It's up to the people of his country to decide, not some western dude, what is best for them. That's what sovereignty is about.
They did decide. They decided to end Kadaffy Duck's life brutally. Next you'll tell me I should shed a tear for what the Italians did to Mussolini and his mistress.
It was a Hillary operation. "We came, we saw, he died <cackle, cackle, cackle>"
Tereza is right -- Kaddafi was negotiating with the rest of Africa to set up a pan-African currency that would have challenged the dollar's dominance.
"The people" didn't "decide" anything. There were NGOs financed by NED that organized terrorist mobs to take down the Libyan government. Look at the mess it is in now.
Libya is just another victim of the US quest for hegemony. It is disturbing that you maintain a "Tucker Carlson" perspective on what is happening in the world.
Same way as mobs took down the legitimate government of Ukraine. With the same disastrous result
Now I know you're an imposter. Ukraine has never had a legitimate government since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Corruption is all Ukraine has ever known.
Interesting. It can be argued it was just as legitimate or illegitimate as anyone else. But you are right, the whole USSR break-up was illegitimate.
👍💯🎯 it was a Killary Operation. They wanted his gold. Quadaffi also kept terrorists in check. He was no saint BUT facts are facts. Amazing how sheeple quick to battle for CIA asset "Phucker Carlson". Focus on what he's NOT reporting. Same with Elon Musk. Focus on what he's NOT releasing.
HIGHLY SUGGEST follow Tore Says for insider very painful truth
Libya was more a France operation than it was an American operation. Sark led the charge of the Light Brigade. Obama had to be pushed kicking and screaming into it. It was not his choice, but of course, he ultimately did acquiesce.
the troll is back spewing the typical propaganda...too obvious
Rich is a "spoogeneck" type of guy, don't you know? Is that you Buckley?
by your choice for a screen name I'm guessing you're referring to intelligence
Except that they didn't. The country was looted once he was gone.
It's tragic what has become of Libya and it was foreseeable and maybe even intended by those who stoked the civil war. That's independent of the fact that Libyans decided to brutally execute him.
Only Simple-tons expect a tear out of Necessities. A Bear only sheds crocodile tears.
I have a chapter in my book on Qaddafi called Swept Away by the Currency, mostly informed by Vijay Prashad's Arab Spring, Libyan Winter. After he nationalized the 3M barrels of oil per day exported by the 7 Sisters, Prashad writes: "The money was then diverted towards social welfare, mainly an increase in housing and healthcare ... fixing a minimum wage and slashing the obscene rents being charged by property owners ... When Qaddafi took power, the literacy rate in Libya was a miserable 20%. The consequences of the transfer payments lifted the rate to 90% by 1980." He allowed people to settle on confiscated Italian land with interest free loans and low interest to buy farm equipment and a gov't salary until they became self-sufficient. He built the Man-Made River that brought water to 70% of the population. Workers took control of about 200 companies and bank holdings had an upper limit. He donated $300M to help Africa set up their own satellite phone system instead of paying Europe $500M a year. All possible because Libya isn't part of the BIS and owns its banks and currency--something it was about to bring to all of Africa along with Laurent Gbagbo of the Cote d'Ivoire.
Instead, Qaddafi ends up brutally murdered, as Phillip points out, and the new BIS Bank of Benghazi is formed and an oil deal with Qatar is signed before his body is cold in the freezer where it's thrown. Gbagbo was kidnapped in a French coup and taken to the Hague.
I don't really care about analyzing personalities, Qaddafi's or Putin's or Trump's. I analyze policies and their actual results. That Carlson is making a hero of Bolsonaro tells me he's either complicit or deluded. It matters which, but the result is the same.
The Sisters....remember Enrico Mattei? Enough said. I believe that the first official act of the anti-Gaddaffi forces was to establish a central bank. The first rebels in history to do anything like that. It gives it all away. The BIS is surely one of the great fountains of evil and cruelty. We all need to do as much as possible to direct attention towards it.
Your disinclination to analyze personalities is wise. Keeping the focus on the tangible, pragmatic, facts is the key. A focus on personalities leads us astray.
Yes! I titled my subsection on this "Insurgents in Suits." What rebel mob sets up a Central Bank?
Glad that you appreciate my practice of politics as policy rather than personalitics, which is all our current level of debate boils down to.
And Sunni Arabs at that! The only people on earth to retain a cultural/religious abhorrence of finance. And the rebels were supported by Qatar (which is Wahabi). The official narrative does not add up.
Thank you Tereza, was sketchy on details but knew of the overall picture. And now, what? Only three BIS independent countries left, is that right?
That's a great question and google, from a quick search, is not going to give us that answer! I think that Russia has been able to decouple thanks to the sanctions. I talk about Putin's brilliant economic policies, which I suspect are due to Sergei Glazyev, in Russia: A Wrench in the Reset Gears? Iran is certainly not a part. Venezuela? And the elephant, China? China definitely creates its own currency and has been able to fund projects without borrowing, which caching all the export wealth. What three are you thinking of?
https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/russia-a-wrench-in-the-reset-gears
I thought probably North Korea, Iran and China but truth be told I don't know for sure, this is all way too complex for me. Just trying to understand what's going on in general. Thanks for the link Tereza.
Oh of course N Korea! Thank you for subscribing to me, Marta. I'm so happy you found it worthwhile!
I have to laugh at people who think fallen dictators like Qaddafi getting what they deserve was some kind of western delivered justice. They won't bother to shed a tear for the thousands of victims of Reagan's born again death squads in El Salvador in the 1980's (War on drugs? just say no! Iran-Contra scandal anyone?) They turn away from the 3 million starved to death by Churchill in Bengal in 1943. Only some dictators are worthy of their hate...you know, the uppity swarthy fellows like Sadaam (who the US continued to help, even when he was using chemical weapons on Kurdish civilians)...and now the mass slaughtering in Yemen by the head chop prince of the house of Saud...'please sir, can I have some more...oil'. All that sniveling western hand wringing...about dictators...really?
Exactly. Not to mention that no US president was a saint, does it justify a foreign power overthrowing him for alleged misdoings (and there are plenty)?
No doubt many feel that way, but not me. That's not even a good try. I'm not sure what persuasion you are if any, but you're a buffoon if you think Kadaffy Duck is someone or something to use as a retort to or resistance to empire or imperialism. How is blowing up nearly 300 noncombatants over Lockerbie "giving it to the man?"
There are three worlds.
1. The world we live in.
2. The world that could and should be.
3. The world we want to live in.
When discussing Kadaffy Duck and his demise, I prefer to analyze it according the the world in which we live. That's the context. In a world that could and should be, not only is what happened to Kadaffy anathema and nay impossible, but so too is the likes of Kadaffy anathema and nay impossible and that's the world I want to live in but unfortunately that isn't this world, is it?
I lament nothing but the manner that he was murdered was cruel and foul. Gaddaffi was no hero, but Libya did have the highest standard of living in Africa and the terrorist stuff he admitted to sponsoring (as a price for reconciling with the West) was in fact carried out by the Syrians. The religious nuts who hated Gaddaffi are stooges of the Western intelligence services.
You are dead right about Gaddaffi being useful. The anti-Western antics of Gaddaffi (like Mugabe etc) never got in the way of essential business. It is political theatre.
I agree the cheering on of his undignified execution by Hillary and Obama and their ilk was sick. So much for human rights. What disgusting hypocrites they are.
I am comfortable with their hypocrisy, it is their lack of empathy that is chilling. We are ruled by sociopaths. There is no limit to the cruelty that people like Hilary and Obama will tolerate and there is no point believing that they feel any differently towards any of us.
The world at large is ruled by psychopaths, no exceptions.
The manner of his death could be one big reason why Putin is doing what he is doing - he does not want to end up like that.
His actions assure he will. For someone who is so smart, he's not so smart. The American Christian Fascists he has helped enable will turn on him in a heart beat and ram a bayonet so far up his ass it exits his mouth. That, or they will nuke Russia MAD be damned.
Phillip, see my answer to SBN if you think that nationalizing the oil and demonstrating what can be done with a Central Bank not tied to the BIS and a currency not held in the French Treasury never got in the way of essential business. He almost torpedoed the petrodollar a decade earlier than Putin is. The "Axis of Evil" corresponds exactly to the small handful of countries whose central banks aren't tied to the BIS and IMF. Owning the oil is chump change. The big game hunters go for the currency in which oil can be bought.