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Tarun's avatar

Thanks for clarifying that. I saw Tucker's rant at Bolsonaro's palace and thought to myself, i've not seen evidence yet of China taking over countries. Where's the evidence?? Tucker sure didn't supply any. He just made insinuations. The right is fixated on China like the libs are on Russia. Everyone gets someone to hate. How nice.

Anyways if there is some evidence that China is taking over countries in Latin America or Africa lets see it. As far as them taking over America, well, how paranoid do we want to be?

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Phillip's avatar

Exactly. What does taking over mean? A Chinese face on the street or a Chinese business opening up is not the same thing as taking over. There are problems with Chinese communities overseas....as there are with all human groups. The recently established Chinese communities in some South Pacific or African communities do not always work well with others (at least not at first) but the anti-Chinese narrative is suspiciously like anti-Semitism and as inexcusable. The exaggeration and suspicion, above all the lack of any sense of proportion, to the way the debate is developing is a scandal. Worse, it is a threat to us all. We are being manipulated.

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Arthu's avatar

Looool

China is by force taking international airports in several African countries and so many key installments... It's not an understatement and Tucker is absolutely right, especially on Africa.

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Phillip's avatar

China is using force? Where? Evidence please.

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Arthur's avatar

It is my feeling that at present, China's "colonization" of Africa is much shrewder and less obviously intrusive than their predecessors that relied on brute force. My impression of BRICS is that it is philosophically opposed to the kind of CIA interventionist, Globohomo, policies of the west, that it seeks international cooperation without hegemony.

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J M Hatch's avatar

Feelings. Great song, but a horrible way to manage the world.

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Arthu's avatar

Just take a trip to Africa, Zimbabwe, Ugandan ?

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Tarun's avatar

Here's some evidence anyways...

https://youtu.be/_-QDEWwSkP0

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Phillip's avatar

The debt trap issue is worth pursuing. The British used debt to establish their power over weaker governments. The best example was in the 19th c when Britain used debt to take control of Egypt. The US used debt throughout the 20th to control allies, clients and rivals, especially through inter-governmental debt. The best explanation of this is Michael Hudson's SUPER IMPERIALISM. If you only ever read one book on economics, make it this one.

Here is a youtube video on it. https://youtu.be/Uiz934HVZjY?t=5

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Tarun's avatar

Isn't that what the IMF and world bank is for??

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Phillip's avatar

More or less. The IMF and World Bank front the system and formalise arrangements under the pretense of international co-operation.

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Tarun's avatar

Yes please supply links to a site not related to US state department. Thank you

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Locke's Conscience's avatar

The belt and road initiative is a good place to start. There is never evidence when you don't look...

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Phillip's avatar

If there was any evidence of the Chinese using force, or the threat of force, to compel another country to participate in the Belt and Road initiative it would have been reported in the Western media. China has its faults, there is no need to make up anything, let alone make insinuations. The whole point is that China is using alternatives to force. It is compelled to, since the Chinese lack the naval or air power to dominate Africa or Latin America. Voluntary exchange between China and third parties may undermine America, but America must expect to compete economically with China. The current arrangement, with the US extracting rent from the global economy via the petrodollar and the bond market, is unsustainable.

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Locke's Conscience's avatar

Please don't confuse military action as the only type of "force". Don't be disingenuous. You need to be better. Much like the "vaccine" mandates globally were never done by "force" right?

If you build infrastructure in a country knowing full well you will take it "by force" when the corrupt third world country you are building it in defaults.....that isn't competing...

You need to get out of your binary thinking pattern. Just because the global American empire is bad and their competitor for world domination is the CCP. That doesn't make the CCP good.

Both are totalitarian organizations. They are both equally bad.

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Tarun's avatar

your theory that they are both equally bad does not at this point have enough evidence... you like Tucker are still speculating...

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J M Hatch's avatar

I think Locke's ghost is letting the formadehyde get to it's brain, and loosen the beast of bigotry, which requires no facts beyond otherness.

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Tarun's avatar

Here's your evidence:

https://youtu.be/_-QDEWwSkP0

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J M Hatch's avatar

Nice. It's hurtful to bigots to confront them with facts.

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