You need to separate the religion from the political ideology. Judaism is the religion, Zionism is the political ideology. Until you are able to distinguish and differentiate between the two, you will keep falling for the trap set up by supporters of Israel (especially Israeli Zionists).
The Hinduism/Hindutva analogy is especially apropos for explaining this. Just as Zionism is a Jewish-supremacy based ideology (separate from the religion of Judaism), so too is Hindutva a Hindu-supremacy based ideology that is separate from the religion of Hinduism.
If you would like to discuss murders/genocides in the name of religion, Christianity would win out (based on history). Even in this instance, I wouldn't blame the religion of Christianity. Rather, religions have been scapegoated and blamed for all the evils of man (regardless of which religion it is).
I don't think you're understanding me. I'm not blaming the religion. I'm not blaming the Jewish religion. I'm not blaming the atheism within Judaism. You don't seem to be aware that Judaism cannot be defined as a religion, nor as a culture, nor as an ethnic group. It's too varied for that, and the majority of Jews will tell you that.
I'm not blaming the culture of Judaism, either. I'm not blaming the bagels and the Seders of Judaism. I'm blaming the political expression of Judaism - the political expression of its political leaders. The political expression of the leaders that are supported by those who identify with Judaism. What's too difficult for you to understand about that?
With other groups we routinely do this. We blame the Christian Right for outlawing abortion. The "outlawing abortion" is the political outcome. Genocide is the political outcome of Judaism. We blame the Republicans for lowering taxes on the rich. The "lowering of taxes" is the political outcome of Republicans. It's not relevant what the religion of Republicans is. The system of Apartheid is the political outcome of Judaism. The atheism or Orthodoxy of Jews within Judaism is irrelevant to that criticism. Do you understand? The control of the US government is a political outcome of Judaism. Whether the Jewish political leaders are Reformist or Orthodox is irrelevant. It's the political outcomes that Judaism is responsible for that damn Judaism. Not the religion or the Lox or the pickled beef tongue. Do you understand?
>>"I'm blaming the political expression of Judaism - the political expression of its political leaders."
(1) What's your definition of "political expression of Judaism"? Something you invented? What's the political expression of Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, etc.? And is this political expression of these "other religions" the same all over the world?
(2) Most Zionists in Israel (especially the political ones) don't believe in religion - Judaism or otherwise. They are Jews in "name only" and DO NOT adhere to any tenets of Judaism. So how can you call it a political expression of "Judaism" when there is NO Judaism (in the political leaders) to express? You do understand the concept of "using religion to advance your own interests, right"?
>>"The "lowering of taxes" is the political outcome of Republicans."
WRONG!
This is NOT about Republicans/Democrats. This is what Capitalism does.
>>"The system of Apartheid is the political outcome of Judaism."
WRONG!
Judaism is practised all over the world. Is there apartheid everywhere you find Judaism? What kind of infantile and illogical arguments are these? Apartheid is separate from religion. And I've never heard of this concept of "political outcome of religion". Is this something you made up? Any references to research/academic material for this?
>>"The control of the US government is a political outcome of Judaism."
WRONG!
Not only do Jews not control the US Govt. (that is an illusion and a belief that YOU and some others have - but that doesn't make it a fact), this has little to do with the religion of Judaism (again, I'm debunking your made up concept of "political outcome of Judaism" thingy).
There are too many things wrong with your thinking. Not sure what else I can say - you seem to have bought the "Jews controlling the US/World" narrative that has been debunked over-and-over-again, but "real, true anti-semites" (or people with weak critical thinking skills) are unable to understand this.
You need to separate the religion from the political ideology. Judaism is the religion, Zionism is the political ideology. Until you are able to distinguish and differentiate between the two, you will keep falling for the trap set up by supporters of Israel (especially Israeli Zionists).
The Hinduism/Hindutva analogy is especially apropos for explaining this. Just as Zionism is a Jewish-supremacy based ideology (separate from the religion of Judaism), so too is Hindutva a Hindu-supremacy based ideology that is separate from the religion of Hinduism.
If you would like to discuss murders/genocides in the name of religion, Christianity would win out (based on history). Even in this instance, I wouldn't blame the religion of Christianity. Rather, religions have been scapegoated and blamed for all the evils of man (regardless of which religion it is).
I don't think you're understanding me. I'm not blaming the religion. I'm not blaming the Jewish religion. I'm not blaming the atheism within Judaism. You don't seem to be aware that Judaism cannot be defined as a religion, nor as a culture, nor as an ethnic group. It's too varied for that, and the majority of Jews will tell you that.
I'm not blaming the culture of Judaism, either. I'm not blaming the bagels and the Seders of Judaism. I'm blaming the political expression of Judaism - the political expression of its political leaders. The political expression of the leaders that are supported by those who identify with Judaism. What's too difficult for you to understand about that?
With other groups we routinely do this. We blame the Christian Right for outlawing abortion. The "outlawing abortion" is the political outcome. Genocide is the political outcome of Judaism. We blame the Republicans for lowering taxes on the rich. The "lowering of taxes" is the political outcome of Republicans. It's not relevant what the religion of Republicans is. The system of Apartheid is the political outcome of Judaism. The atheism or Orthodoxy of Jews within Judaism is irrelevant to that criticism. Do you understand? The control of the US government is a political outcome of Judaism. Whether the Jewish political leaders are Reformist or Orthodox is irrelevant. It's the political outcomes that Judaism is responsible for that damn Judaism. Not the religion or the Lox or the pickled beef tongue. Do you understand?
>>"I'm blaming the political expression of Judaism - the political expression of its political leaders."
(1) What's your definition of "political expression of Judaism"? Something you invented? What's the political expression of Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, etc.? And is this political expression of these "other religions" the same all over the world?
(2) Most Zionists in Israel (especially the political ones) don't believe in religion - Judaism or otherwise. They are Jews in "name only" and DO NOT adhere to any tenets of Judaism. So how can you call it a political expression of "Judaism" when there is NO Judaism (in the political leaders) to express? You do understand the concept of "using religion to advance your own interests, right"?
>>"The "lowering of taxes" is the political outcome of Republicans."
WRONG!
This is NOT about Republicans/Democrats. This is what Capitalism does.
>>"The system of Apartheid is the political outcome of Judaism."
WRONG!
Judaism is practised all over the world. Is there apartheid everywhere you find Judaism? What kind of infantile and illogical arguments are these? Apartheid is separate from religion. And I've never heard of this concept of "political outcome of religion". Is this something you made up? Any references to research/academic material for this?
>>"The control of the US government is a political outcome of Judaism."
WRONG!
Not only do Jews not control the US Govt. (that is an illusion and a belief that YOU and some others have - but that doesn't make it a fact), this has little to do with the religion of Judaism (again, I'm debunking your made up concept of "political outcome of Judaism" thingy).
There are too many things wrong with your thinking. Not sure what else I can say - you seem to have bought the "Jews controlling the US/World" narrative that has been debunked over-and-over-again, but "real, true anti-semites" (or people with weak critical thinking skills) are unable to understand this.