You say the US is the master and Israel is the slave. What is Judaism? Aren't the Israel perpetrators Jews? Aren't the vast majority of the US Jewish Lobby Jews? Why do you keep Judaism out of the picture? Do you fall for the propaganda that Judaism is only a religious, ethnic, and cultural tribe of people and that Zionism/Israel have nothing to do with Judaism? That Judaism can only be a victim and that its leaders cannot do wrong? Utter nonsense! Aren't you aware of the fact that there is a US Jewish lobby that is composed of the leaders of over 300 Jewish political organizations that are funded by the US Jewish community and Israel?
The false justification given to exclude Judaism from criticism for wrongdoing is that "not all Jews are guilty." But by the same argument, not all US politicians and citizens support the genocide, yet you freely bad-mouth the US as "the master." The same for Israel. Are you aware that about 20% of Israelis are Arabs? Are you saying that All Israelis are genociders? Aren't you aware that some Israeli Jews aren't? Aren't you aware of how self contradictory your statements are? Why do you so freely badmouth the US and not Judaism?
There's no question that Judaism has a tremendously powerful and organized political arm, and I believe it's leaders - both inside and outside Israel - are the major wrongdoers behind the fact that both our government and society is complicit in the genocide conducted by Israeli Jews on Palestinians because Palestinians are not Jews. The Israeli Jews conduct the genocide and the US Jewish Lobby makes it politically possible. Why is it so hard to understand that it's an overwhelming outcome of Judaism itself, a fact that has been going on for 120 years? Our entire nation is hopelessly brainwashed into not seeing such a simple fact.
Jim - I don't think you understand this conflict at all - it is about GEOPOLITICS and US Empire and imperialism and colonialism (settler-colonialism). There are more US Christian Zionists than all the Jews in the world (Zionists and not) that are supporting Israel. So, if you do want someone to blame for all this - blame the Christian Zionists, the global Capitalists and the Empire Managers (along with Israeli Zionists - Jewish or otherwise) for EVERYTHING that has been happening in the Middle-East for the last 100+ years.
And, Judaism is NOT Zionism, just as Hinduism is NOT Hindutva, etc. Don't confuse religions with political/supremacist ideologies.
Enough said. You must be new to this substack - since everything you say has been debunked multiple times already ad nauseum. I'm not going to waste time covering basic material that EVERYONE should know by now.
Chang, are you a person who can understand facts and be guided when they tell us the most important things we need to know before we form our beliefs? If so, read in the link below a comparison between the funding supplied by the Christian Zionists and the funding supplied by the US Jewish Lobby. If you're honest, I think you'd admit that this money trail proves beyond reasonable doubt that the Christian Zionists play a minor role in the US government/society support for Israel.
If you disagree with this potent data, please offer your own. I'd be very surprised if you can find any real data that supports the beliefs you assert above.
Here's a hypothetical, alternate scenario in which the Jews are wiped out completely by the Nazis (I will use this to explain that the ME crisis is about Capitalism above all else):
(1) Assume all Jews are wiped out, Nazi Germany loses, migration of Zionist Jews to ME is stopped in its tracks
(2) Recall from history that before the 1967 6-day war, the US did not support Israel anywhere remotely at the level they support them today. At the time, the US had its eyes on Iran and Saudi Arabia as representatives (proxies) of the US Empire in the region
(3) In this hypothetical scenario, there would be NO Israel-Palestine conflict since there wouldn't be enough Zionist Jews in the region to form an Israel.
*** (4) I contend that even in the scenario of NO Jewish/Zionist state of Israel, the US Empire would STILL create conflicts in the region (especially the Israel/Palestine area) as a way to maintain hegemony on the WHOLE MENA (middle east north africa) area for multiple reasons - energy domination, US dollar hegemony, trade routes, other geopolitical issues, etc.
(5) Given the importance of the MENA region to whichever Empire that intends to maintain global hegemony (US or otherwise), conflict in the region would be unavoidable. For a while during the Cold War years, Russia was in play too in the area - to counter US global domination.
(6) Hence, regardless of Israel or Jews or Muslims or Christians, the US would be pursuing an aggressive imperialist stance and policies in the area.
This is WHY (based on my extremely condensed reasoning above) I say that the US is the main problem in the Middle-East. Since Israel is a US proxy state in the region and represents its interests, the US will support it to almost the same level as though Israel is a part of the US. If after one year of a genocide the US is still sending 2,000 pound bombs, F-19 fighter jets, american troops, military logistics, and much more - what does that say to you? It means, even if the Israelis were to wipe out ALL of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria - the US would still be providing 100% support.
Hence, the Israeli lobbies (as per your article) form a convenient scapegoat/sleight-of-hand/deflection-of-blame strategy to continue the charade of hiding the fact that this is the US (and its global Capitalist Western allies) that are the cause of this - with Israel being the perfect tool/weapon to do its bidding.
Just as the Inquisition and Crusades were about acquisition of land and resources (under the guise of religious ideologies), similarly this conflict is about settler-colonialism and capitalism (under the guise of Jewish supremacy and Zionist ideologies).
The only "points" that mean anything are facts. The major fact here is the humongous list of US Jewish political organizations in the link I gave you that are funded to the levels of billions of dollars by the US Jewish community and Israel. It's the leaders of these organizations that make up the US Jewish Lobby. Interestingly, you avoid even mentioning or discussing this major fact. Why?
But I can't really criticize you for that. I don't know who you are or what capacity you have for analysis and rational thought. Without knowing that, I cannot pass judgement on you. I can only conclude that for some reason you don't acknowledge the significance of important and relevant facts and incorporate them in a fact-based rational discussion. I thus ask you, what benefit is there in me continuing a discussion with someone who acts in such a way?
>>"that are funded to the levels of billions of dollars by the US Jewish community and Israel."
(1) Do you understand how Global Capitalism works?
(2) Do you follow (or are aware of) the flows of capital between US corporations and Israeli corporations?
(3) Are you privy to (or have knowledge of) the geopolitical arrangements between the US and Israeli Governments?
(4) Are you aware of $350 billion USD given to Israel by the US over the last 75 years? (and this is the official count)
(5) Do you know/understand how shadow banks and the shadow banking system works?
(6) Do you understand how global investments are structured and diversified? (for example: hedge funds, pension funds, mutual funds, etc. investing in Israeli corporate entities)?
(7) Are you aware of unstructured finance deals and quid-pro-quo arrangements (in trade and other areas) between the US and Israel?
(8) Do you know that most of Israeli Govt. assets are held overseas in various institutions?
(9) Are you aware of the "foreign reserve assets" of Israel? (and the fact that official US payments to Israel pale in comparison to those assets)?
(10) I could go on, but I'll stop here.
I'll ignore your ad hominem assumptions about me, and state the following: do you understand how magicians perform their tricks? They distract you with "facts" (illusions) while they perform their tricks. Similarly, you don't seem to get that:
(a) The official funding on your article ("facts") are a "drop in the bucket" compared to the REAL flows of Capital between the 2 countries
(b) the way global capitalism works and the flows of capital
Without understanding global capitalism, you will be mesmerized and misled by the "facts" (official funding). Capital and capitalism trumps religions. Do you think all this money is being spent on Israel because of something to do with "Jews" or "Jewishness" or "Judaism"? Some of it for sure, but these Capitalists are NOT STUPID.
Your sources of "Jewish" funding is but a drop in the bucket for Israel. But you won't be able to comprehend that unless you understand a bit of the inner workings of global capitalism.
Like I said before (and on multiple occasions), the MAIN REASON the US supports Israel is because it is "in the interest" of the US Empire (not the common American people but the Empire Managers, power elite, etc.) - NOT because of Jewish billionaires or Judaism or Zionism (those are secondary and tertiary reasons).
When it comes to Empires and Oligarchs, think MONEY (not ideology).
You say the US is the master and Israel is the slave. What is Judaism? Aren't the Israel perpetrators Jews? Aren't the vast majority of the US Jewish Lobby Jews? Why do you keep Judaism out of the picture? Do you fall for the propaganda that Judaism is only a religious, ethnic, and cultural tribe of people and that Zionism/Israel have nothing to do with Judaism? That Judaism can only be a victim and that its leaders cannot do wrong? Utter nonsense! Aren't you aware of the fact that there is a US Jewish lobby that is composed of the leaders of over 300 Jewish political organizations that are funded by the US Jewish community and Israel?
The Jewish Lobby
https://iwasathought.substack.com/p/the-jewish-lobby
The false justification given to exclude Judaism from criticism for wrongdoing is that "not all Jews are guilty." But by the same argument, not all US politicians and citizens support the genocide, yet you freely bad-mouth the US as "the master." The same for Israel. Are you aware that about 20% of Israelis are Arabs? Are you saying that All Israelis are genociders? Aren't you aware that some Israeli Jews aren't? Aren't you aware of how self contradictory your statements are? Why do you so freely badmouth the US and not Judaism?
There's no question that Judaism has a tremendously powerful and organized political arm, and I believe it's leaders - both inside and outside Israel - are the major wrongdoers behind the fact that both our government and society is complicit in the genocide conducted by Israeli Jews on Palestinians because Palestinians are not Jews. The Israeli Jews conduct the genocide and the US Jewish Lobby makes it politically possible. Why is it so hard to understand that it's an overwhelming outcome of Judaism itself, a fact that has been going on for 120 years? Our entire nation is hopelessly brainwashed into not seeing such a simple fact.
Jim - I don't think you understand this conflict at all - it is about GEOPOLITICS and US Empire and imperialism and colonialism (settler-colonialism). There are more US Christian Zionists than all the Jews in the world (Zionists and not) that are supporting Israel. So, if you do want someone to blame for all this - blame the Christian Zionists, the global Capitalists and the Empire Managers (along with Israeli Zionists - Jewish or otherwise) for EVERYTHING that has been happening in the Middle-East for the last 100+ years.
And, Judaism is NOT Zionism, just as Hinduism is NOT Hindutva, etc. Don't confuse religions with political/supremacist ideologies.
Enough said. You must be new to this substack - since everything you say has been debunked multiple times already ad nauseum. I'm not going to waste time covering basic material that EVERYONE should know by now.
Chang, are you a person who can understand facts and be guided when they tell us the most important things we need to know before we form our beliefs? If so, read in the link below a comparison between the funding supplied by the Christian Zionists and the funding supplied by the US Jewish Lobby. If you're honest, I think you'd admit that this money trail proves beyond reasonable doubt that the Christian Zionists play a minor role in the US government/society support for Israel.
The Jewish Lobby
https://iwasathought.substack.com/p/the-jewish-lobby
If you disagree with this potent data, please offer your own. I'd be very surprised if you can find any real data that supports the beliefs you assert above.
You seem to miss the point.
Here's a hypothetical, alternate scenario in which the Jews are wiped out completely by the Nazis (I will use this to explain that the ME crisis is about Capitalism above all else):
(1) Assume all Jews are wiped out, Nazi Germany loses, migration of Zionist Jews to ME is stopped in its tracks
(2) Recall from history that before the 1967 6-day war, the US did not support Israel anywhere remotely at the level they support them today. At the time, the US had its eyes on Iran and Saudi Arabia as representatives (proxies) of the US Empire in the region
(3) In this hypothetical scenario, there would be NO Israel-Palestine conflict since there wouldn't be enough Zionist Jews in the region to form an Israel.
*** (4) I contend that even in the scenario of NO Jewish/Zionist state of Israel, the US Empire would STILL create conflicts in the region (especially the Israel/Palestine area) as a way to maintain hegemony on the WHOLE MENA (middle east north africa) area for multiple reasons - energy domination, US dollar hegemony, trade routes, other geopolitical issues, etc.
(5) Given the importance of the MENA region to whichever Empire that intends to maintain global hegemony (US or otherwise), conflict in the region would be unavoidable. For a while during the Cold War years, Russia was in play too in the area - to counter US global domination.
(6) Hence, regardless of Israel or Jews or Muslims or Christians, the US would be pursuing an aggressive imperialist stance and policies in the area.
This is WHY (based on my extremely condensed reasoning above) I say that the US is the main problem in the Middle-East. Since Israel is a US proxy state in the region and represents its interests, the US will support it to almost the same level as though Israel is a part of the US. If after one year of a genocide the US is still sending 2,000 pound bombs, F-19 fighter jets, american troops, military logistics, and much more - what does that say to you? It means, even if the Israelis were to wipe out ALL of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria - the US would still be providing 100% support.
Hence, the Israeli lobbies (as per your article) form a convenient scapegoat/sleight-of-hand/deflection-of-blame strategy to continue the charade of hiding the fact that this is the US (and its global Capitalist Western allies) that are the cause of this - with Israel being the perfect tool/weapon to do its bidding.
Just as the Inquisition and Crusades were about acquisition of land and resources (under the guise of religious ideologies), similarly this conflict is about settler-colonialism and capitalism (under the guise of Jewish supremacy and Zionist ideologies).
You said: "You seem to miss the point."
The only "points" that mean anything are facts. The major fact here is the humongous list of US Jewish political organizations in the link I gave you that are funded to the levels of billions of dollars by the US Jewish community and Israel. It's the leaders of these organizations that make up the US Jewish Lobby. Interestingly, you avoid even mentioning or discussing this major fact. Why?
But I can't really criticize you for that. I don't know who you are or what capacity you have for analysis and rational thought. Without knowing that, I cannot pass judgement on you. I can only conclude that for some reason you don't acknowledge the significance of important and relevant facts and incorporate them in a fact-based rational discussion. I thus ask you, what benefit is there in me continuing a discussion with someone who acts in such a way?
How old are you?
>>"that are funded to the levels of billions of dollars by the US Jewish community and Israel."
(1) Do you understand how Global Capitalism works?
(2) Do you follow (or are aware of) the flows of capital between US corporations and Israeli corporations?
(3) Are you privy to (or have knowledge of) the geopolitical arrangements between the US and Israeli Governments?
(4) Are you aware of $350 billion USD given to Israel by the US over the last 75 years? (and this is the official count)
(5) Do you know/understand how shadow banks and the shadow banking system works?
(6) Do you understand how global investments are structured and diversified? (for example: hedge funds, pension funds, mutual funds, etc. investing in Israeli corporate entities)?
(7) Are you aware of unstructured finance deals and quid-pro-quo arrangements (in trade and other areas) between the US and Israel?
(8) Do you know that most of Israeli Govt. assets are held overseas in various institutions?
(9) Are you aware of the "foreign reserve assets" of Israel? (and the fact that official US payments to Israel pale in comparison to those assets)?
(10) I could go on, but I'll stop here.
I'll ignore your ad hominem assumptions about me, and state the following: do you understand how magicians perform their tricks? They distract you with "facts" (illusions) while they perform their tricks. Similarly, you don't seem to get that:
(a) The official funding on your article ("facts") are a "drop in the bucket" compared to the REAL flows of Capital between the 2 countries
(b) the way global capitalism works and the flows of capital
Without understanding global capitalism, you will be mesmerized and misled by the "facts" (official funding). Capital and capitalism trumps religions. Do you think all this money is being spent on Israel because of something to do with "Jews" or "Jewishness" or "Judaism"? Some of it for sure, but these Capitalists are NOT STUPID.
Your sources of "Jewish" funding is but a drop in the bucket for Israel. But you won't be able to comprehend that unless you understand a bit of the inner workings of global capitalism.
Like I said before (and on multiple occasions), the MAIN REASON the US supports Israel is because it is "in the interest" of the US Empire (not the common American people but the Empire Managers, power elite, etc.) - NOT because of Jewish billionaires or Judaism or Zionism (those are secondary and tertiary reasons).
When it comes to Empires and Oligarchs, think MONEY (not ideology).