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Diana van Eyk's avatar

I'm ashamed of my country, Canada, too which supports this carnage.

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Sam's avatar

Jews should be ashamed of Judaism.

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

It's Zionism that's the problem not Judaism, Jim. Many Jewish people are leading the protests because they go against their religious beliefs and their values.

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Antiwar7's avatar

The Talmud actually says all non-Jews are animals in human form, to be subjugated. Luckily, not all Jews are religious in that way.

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Sam's avatar

Diana, please think a bit more on this. Yes, a relatively small percent of Jews are protesting what the Jewish leaders are doing, and also a relatively small percent of Americans are protesting against their own leaders. But that doesn't invalidate our claims that the US is complicit with genocide, and also doesn't invalidate our claims that Judaism is the culprit behind the immoral deeds of the Israeli Jews and the immoral support the Diaspora Jews give to their fellow Jews in Israel. We cannot deny that those Israeli Jews could ever get away with their crimes if it wasn't for the political help the Jewish Lobby gives them, ensuring that the US government gives Israel unconditional political and military support. In other words, please use the same criteria by which you bad mouth the USA towards Judaism. Why would you be so willing to badmouth the USA and let Judaism off without any accountability?

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Jim, what I'm criticizing isn't the USA, but the ruling class of the western world who are supporting this genocide. There are good people in all of these countries, but we're powerless.

All of the Jewish public figures I most admire are appalled at this and are speaking out about it. I believe it's the Zionists, a group that includes more Christians than Jews, who appear to be the problem.

And, yes, some of these people were formerly Zionists and are no longer, and openly speak of the indoctrination they experienced growing up. Many have had to deprogram.

It's those who support Israel who are the problem, in my view, whatever their religion.

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Sam's avatar

Diana, you say that "All of the Jewish public figures I most admire are appalled at this and are speaking out about it." How many of these Jews are you talking about? Don't you see the vast majority of Jewish leaders who appear in the mass media supporting Israel and condemning the "enormous rise in antisemitism"? Don't you see the vast majority of Jewish politicians in power supporting Israel? There are a couple exceptions like Bernie Sanders, but he's still a Zionist, which is basically, bigotry and fascism. Are you aware that this B.S. about the rise in antisemitism is a ploy to further strengthen the Jewish Lobby?

Are you aware of the Jewish push to incorporate the IHRA definition of "ansisemitism" into federal law? Look up "The antisemitism awareness act." When that becomes law, most everything I say here will be against federal law.

The IHRA Leaders Insult our Intelligence

(Not just human intelligence, but AI as well)

https://iwasathought.substack.com/p/the-ihra-jewish-leaders-insult-our

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Diana van Eyk's avatar

Yes, I'm aware of the laws they're trying to push through and the bogus anti-semitism equating it with anti-genocide. AIPAC, which pushes this kind of legislation, represents Israel, not Judaism.

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