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Jeano's avatar

I think if this were true, there would not be such a great need to hide the facts and repress the press. As it is, telling the truth (in the MSM) is career ending. Look at Seymore. If we were winning, we’d be bragging about blowing up the pipes!

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Feral Finster's avatar

I dunno, look how many years it took for the US to admit that it was behing the 1973 Chilean coup, which was "winning" in the sense that Allende was removed, or that The Gulf Of Tonkin Incident was, in fact, a false flag, even though it got the CIA and Pentagon what they wanted. Then, there's the USS Liberty, which is glossed over.

I can think of plenty more.

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Jeano's avatar

I totally agree with you, but would respond that each of these “successes” lead to exposure and eventually to great investigative reporters figuring out the game-plan and telling the public. Thus the need for the great shutdown under Bush/Cheney. It’s now threadbare and getting obvious. Fewer and fewer people are buying the bullshit that helped those jackals get away with Allende and the Liberty. Though I share your rage that they did. Perhaps BRICS will someday have a tribunal in Rio for the whole US empire and it’s 5 Eyes.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Look at Sy Hersh - the MSM and the vast majority of the public either don't know he reported how the US blew up Nordstream, or they refuse to believe it, or if forced to admit the obvious, then they insist that it must have been a good thing that the United States committed an act of war against Germany.

Germans in particular say "Beat us some more, Master! We are bad slaves and we deserve to be beaten!"

For that matter, closer to home, Matt Taibbi's reporting on how the government helped Twitter censorship. And that is assuredly but the tip of the iceberg.

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Jeano's avatar

I agree with you, even cited Sey above as an example of what telling the truth will result in. But… also look at the fact that YOU know now and hundreds of thousands of others know now and each one of those is telling someone else. It’s like ice rotting under a glacier. Pretty soon the whole edifice collapses. It takes awhile, and Caitlin is certainly a major contributor to it even tho she’s not as well known as Sey is. Scott Ritter, Jimmy Dore, Tucker, Michael Hudson, Michael Parenti, Aaron Matte and the boys, they all are chipping away at the foundations of empire. And the Managers are powerless to stop it. Don’t despair. Don’t do their work for them. Don’t call believing their lies “realistic”. The zeitgeist is changing brothers and sisters, and for the better.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I hope to God that you prove correct

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Jeano's avatar

So do I. 🤭. But I think it’s people like you who are enraged at what is happening in the World that will save it. Your rage comes from decency not from some know-it-all power tripping and therefore it makes a huge difference in how it changes things. I always love hearing/ reading your point of view. It wakes up this old granny to my better nature. Thank you.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

There have been in many of Tuckers new Twitter episodes over 138 Million Views! That is a lot of moving water under the glacier! It gives me some hope.

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Jeano's avatar

Hahahahahahaha. Great! That Tucker, he has a lot of power. And he’s a very smart man. I can do without his gratuitous racism but in a way, it might be camouflage. The Neo-shitlibs just dismiss him as racist and pay no attention to the eviscerating analyses he’s pouring into the minds of his followers. I love his support of RFK jr. I really think that between the 2 of them they could run that river beneath the DC glacier and break it into a thousand pieces of saggy assed old duffers and the float them out of town!! 😄😁😂🥲

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CarbonCopy's avatar

If only because I would be there with my freshly tied "Hangman's Noose"!

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Jeano's avatar

🤗🥳🤩 I looked for a noose emoji. Couldn’t find one. Perhaps these will do💣🧨🪓🔪🗡️⚔️🧻

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CarbonCopy's avatar

Hah! It's a start!

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Jeano's avatar

😁

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