Although, I do think that capitalism is perhaps the ultimate expressions of those destructive narratives, we humans were busy fighting wars of annihilation for millennia before capitalism. We do ourselves no favor if we shorten the timeline of what we are facing. Even a quick look into numerous ancient religious texts will make that clear. Capitalism is not the cause of our problems, but it is one of the biggest obstacles to resolving them.
Before capitalism, there was feudalism which is a pre-cursor to capitalism. I don't believe that humans are by nature war mongers and greedy. But I do believe that humans can learn to be any way they are pushed toward. Especially if they are being directed to what looks as if it will give them a better life. That's where the narrative comes in. Trying to convince people that enriching a few landlords, bosses, and political leaders will actually be better for themselves.
Exactly. It's humans that are the problem and capitalism is just the latest manifestation of it. Susan T "believes that humans can learn to be any way" and so you have no common basis to argue the point.
Yes, humans can learn - to become skilled in this and that much better than monkeys or dolphins - but their nature stays the same no matter how better they learn (the word again) to hide their true intentions and nature (another word again).
Is every person you know inherently selfish and destructive? We would not have survived as a species if that were so, we are actually biologically wired for altruism, the first signs of civilisation weren't trade, but evidence of healed wounds that required others to deliberately keep that individual alive during the extensive healing time, instead of leaving them to die.
Part of the narrative is that we are all individually selfish. Most are not, but humans are supremely adaptable and malleable when it comes to majority rule, tapping into our natural survival conformity is how we are manipulated.
You are talking about how some people decide to conduct their lives. Not everyone decides to "hide their true intentions" etc. It is not human nature at all. It is something that people have learned to do either defensively or to grab power.
That's right - "some" people. Now we need to define "some". Apparently, in the west "some" means majority that forms the foundation of their current systems. They "decided" and so have the system to suit them.
You claim it's not "human nature" to hide true intentions. I assume then that you always speak your mind in every situation. Do you? Probably not. Why? Because you were taught "manners". And what are manners if not controlling one's natural instincts - ie fight one's human nature. By means of learning.
You are being silly. Humans have no instincts, an instinct being defined as something one is born knowing how to do. Everything humans do is learned one way or another. I suppose a great deal depends on where you learn what you learn. But humans are remarkably adaptable and can eventually understand that what they learned at one time no longer applies, if it ever did. A spider has the instinct to spin webs because they are born knowing how to do that. I doubt they can unlearn that.
Although, I do think that capitalism is perhaps the ultimate expressions of those destructive narratives, we humans were busy fighting wars of annihilation for millennia before capitalism. We do ourselves no favor if we shorten the timeline of what we are facing. Even a quick look into numerous ancient religious texts will make that clear. Capitalism is not the cause of our problems, but it is one of the biggest obstacles to resolving them.
Before capitalism, there was feudalism which is a pre-cursor to capitalism. I don't believe that humans are by nature war mongers and greedy. But I do believe that humans can learn to be any way they are pushed toward. Especially if they are being directed to what looks as if it will give them a better life. That's where the narrative comes in. Trying to convince people that enriching a few landlords, bosses, and political leaders will actually be better for themselves.
Exactly. It's humans that are the problem and capitalism is just the latest manifestation of it. Susan T "believes that humans can learn to be any way" and so you have no common basis to argue the point.
Yes, humans can learn - to become skilled in this and that much better than monkeys or dolphins - but their nature stays the same no matter how better they learn (the word again) to hide their true intentions and nature (another word again).
Is every person you know inherently selfish and destructive? We would not have survived as a species if that were so, we are actually biologically wired for altruism, the first signs of civilisation weren't trade, but evidence of healed wounds that required others to deliberately keep that individual alive during the extensive healing time, instead of leaving them to die.
Part of the narrative is that we are all individually selfish. Most are not, but humans are supremely adaptable and malleable when it comes to majority rule, tapping into our natural survival conformity is how we are manipulated.
You are talking about how some people decide to conduct their lives. Not everyone decides to "hide their true intentions" etc. It is not human nature at all. It is something that people have learned to do either defensively or to grab power.
That's right - "some" people. Now we need to define "some". Apparently, in the west "some" means majority that forms the foundation of their current systems. They "decided" and so have the system to suit them.
You claim it's not "human nature" to hide true intentions. I assume then that you always speak your mind in every situation. Do you? Probably not. Why? Because you were taught "manners". And what are manners if not controlling one's natural instincts - ie fight one's human nature. By means of learning.
Thus spaketh the great wizard of butts.
Go after Susan T, Jeapo 😉. She's ripe. 🤣🤡
Aww, but I love you butt, you wormy little incel. Your cries for help are too loud for me to ignore!!!!
You are being silly. Humans have no instincts, an instinct being defined as something one is born knowing how to do. Everything humans do is learned one way or another. I suppose a great deal depends on where you learn what you learn. But humans are remarkably adaptable and can eventually understand that what they learned at one time no longer applies, if it ever did. A spider has the instinct to spin webs because they are born knowing how to do that. I doubt they can unlearn that.
"You are being silly." - you got me, girl!
Re instincts - I assume you sucked a nipple. Maybe you had lessons in the womb.
I did not suck a nipple. I learned how to suck on a bottle. The urge to suck when the cheek is stroked is a reflex, not an instinct.