So what we have is a 20 year old, barely out of high school, used an AR-15 type rifle (outlawed in many other countries including Australia), who remarkably got close enough to make the shot, and was taken out seconds afterward by Secret Service marksmen.
Two interesting points the expert interviewed here makes:
1) Any trained sniper could have made this shot successfully. i.e. He called it a "chip" shot. Which indicates this 20 year old had probably never trained much at all. And from other reports the shooter had not been "rushed", he had been aiming for a minute or two
2) The Sniper Expert also said he wasn't too surprised the shooter was able to get so close. I think that was the biggest takeaway for me from the interview, that it wasn't too surprising you had someone able to crawl on a roof 150 meters away - at least to the Expert interviewer here. To me, that's one of the biggest surprises of what happened - how could the secret service miss someone climbing on a nearby roof??
My own afterthoughts here: at 20 years old, it's easy to lose yourself in ideology and not think very rationally, even if you don't have a history of any type of mental problems. This guy given initial reports, looked like a fairly ordinary 20 year old, no apparent history of psychiatric problems (as of today) - more will obviously be reported in the future.
And it's an AR-15 yet again. I mean, can we get a little stricter control over these weapons? Who the fuck needs an AR-15, other than mass shooters? And I believe in the right to own a firearm.
It will be interesting what is uncovered on this guy. If there are any connections at all to the deep state - any kind of liaisons discovered in his past, look out. But, my current guess is it's just another AR-15 nutjob shooter. But it's only been a day so we'll see. There will be plenty of conspiracy theories. The election though, pretty much over as soon as Trump did that fist pump to the rally and to the rest of us who watched afterwards. Compare that to Genocide Joe Biden's dementia patient routines - and well, yeah.
Based on his age I'd say he's just totally filled with TDS and it rot his brain. Everybody around him knew it and he would be encouraged by the interested parties to make the next step, without anyone being directly involved. Just steer the fool and allow him to make the move.
Somewhat similar to the guy who shot Fico of Slovakia. Only that one was much older. Just proving the age does not equal wisdom.
Hey fish face, who asked you? The question here is whether the deep state may have been involved prior to the shooting. Obviously the security detail failed in its duty. Which I brought up in my comment - asshole. So Fuck off.
This all conjecture at this point. All guesses by both of us. So called "critical thinking" can only go so far here. Even if you're Chomsky being interviewed by Amy Goodman.
jamenta, A fist pump and a face contorted with hatred, ordering people to fight their own - is that what it takes for the American people to vote for a president?!
I do not like Trump. I think he is a scamster and a con artist and a warmonger and a phony populist, among other things. But he was very clever with the fist pump, right after being shot at - because many people will see that as a show of strength, and it will work very well against a POTUS who refuses to resign because of his obvious dementia. Juxtapose someone who is clearly being selfish for his own aggrandizement, to a person who appears to have heroically survived an assassination attempt. It's all about the optics and the perception. And IMO, it's all over for Genocide Joe. Unless they find some other way to make Trump disappear, it's all she wrote.
The source in that video is a former sniper and christian nationalist, as is the host. He provided sniper support consulting. He's not about to criticize his colleagues.
They have agenda's - and that is OBVIOUS. Not a reliable source.
Dude - just go away. The guy being a "christian nationalist" has no bearing on his expertise as a sniper. The interview was done 11 hours ago. Still going to vote for RFK Jr. - Mr. Fish Face?
No bearing? He called the assassin "ANTIFA". You think that has anything to do with his expertise as a sniper? The host spoke of Jesus, both had books on Jesus in the background, and called the assassin an "evil doer".
As a sniper, he killed many people in foreign lands. What would Jesus do?
First esoteric point on the flag as wind indicator is absurd. Shot was fired from less than 150 yards, greatly reducing role of wind. It was NOT 300 yards and Trump was not a moving target. I argue flag could have been placed there for photo op.
The shooter was a 20 year old with no training and the photos I saw show no scope on the rifle.
The videos I've seen of the people observing assassin on the roof were when he was DEAD after the fact. The witness testimony (BBC interview) is not supported by video.
Much too much of the other crap is paranoid conspiracy theory that ignores the basic facts, which are a Roshomon: they support both theories that it was an indide job and that it was staged by Trump.
I like his analysis of security lapses and failures, but I wouldn't conjecture conspiracy theories (or false flag events) based on that analysis (like he alludes to in his video).
People often over-estimate the competence level of experts, academics, intellectuals, organizations, corporations, people in power, oligarchs, etc.. People often seem to believe that "if so-and-so person/organization is one of the best in the world" then they must be competent 'always'. The reality is that failures happen all the time. Mistakes happen all the time (sometimes even by the most qualified and experienced people). Add in the element of randomness and unpredictability - and you have multiple points of possible failure in any scenario/event (even high profile ones).
Unfortunately, most people are unable to come to grips with "normal human folly and stupidity", "inadequate preparedness", and "hubris that leads to complacency, shortsightedness, negligence, and errors in judgement" (especially for high profile/intensity events) - and often go in the direction of conspiracy theories to try to resolve the cognitive dissonance between what they observe/experience and their interpretation /conception of how the world works (or should).
In a sense, many conspiracy theories are an attempt to explain the reality in a way so as to "fit-in" with an already believed/ingrained world-view and system - i.e. making unexplainable observations fit/conform to existing belief systems. If narratives have to change for that to happen, then so be it - whatever resolves the discomfort. (Revisionist histories are a good example of changing narratives to fit dominant/socially-acceptable belief systems).
I used to think that. Now that I understand what my government is capable of, I firmly believe we need a 4th branch of government called ‘we the fucking people have guns too’. Consider the constant repetition of ‘the shooter used an AR-15 style rifle’ by the paid propagandists is to make it seem like it’s an epidemic that must be cured by banning all guns (that could enable a resistance). I will sit here in my bomb bunker clutching a bible and gun praying that’s never needed. 😉
I am not against gun ownership. But I am for more control over who is qualified for certain type of guns, and there needs to be more responsibility imposed on ownership - for a greater level of public safety - for us all.
Yes crazy people should not have access to guns (of course they’ll call anyone suspicious of government agencies too crazy to own a gun). Tough nut to crack
Freedom - doesn't mean you're free to do whatever the fuck you want in a civil society. Everybody gets to enjoy freedom, but only because we all agree upon certain rules to protect our freedoms. And some of these rules ought to be in regard to the billionaire sociopaths currently running the US into the ground, making money anyway they can - for themselves.
Freedom isn't something where you can be a selfish asshole and drive down a residential street at 100 mph. Freedom means we all respect the freedom of other people we live with who are our neighbors, and agree upon the value of each person's life - and don't exploit them to the hilt - just because you can.
So what we have is a 20 year old, barely out of high school, used an AR-15 type rifle (outlawed in many other countries including Australia), who remarkably got close enough to make the shot, and was taken out seconds afterward by Secret Service marksmen.
Two interesting points the expert interviewed here makes:
1) Any trained sniper could have made this shot successfully. i.e. He called it a "chip" shot. Which indicates this 20 year old had probably never trained much at all. And from other reports the shooter had not been "rushed", he had been aiming for a minute or two
2) The Sniper Expert also said he wasn't too surprised the shooter was able to get so close. I think that was the biggest takeaway for me from the interview, that it wasn't too surprising you had someone able to crawl on a roof 150 meters away - at least to the Expert interviewer here. To me, that's one of the biggest surprises of what happened - how could the secret service miss someone climbing on a nearby roof??
My own afterthoughts here: at 20 years old, it's easy to lose yourself in ideology and not think very rationally, even if you don't have a history of any type of mental problems. This guy given initial reports, looked like a fairly ordinary 20 year old, no apparent history of psychiatric problems (as of today) - more will obviously be reported in the future.
And it's an AR-15 yet again. I mean, can we get a little stricter control over these weapons? Who the fuck needs an AR-15, other than mass shooters? And I believe in the right to own a firearm.
If he were taken alive I could almost hear him utter "I'm a patsy". But the interested parties wouldn't want that.
So you think a conspiracy assassin would MISS the target? Not credible.
It will be interesting what is uncovered on this guy. If there are any connections at all to the deep state - any kind of liaisons discovered in his past, look out. But, my current guess is it's just another AR-15 nutjob shooter. But it's only been a day so we'll see. There will be plenty of conspiracy theories. The election though, pretty much over as soon as Trump did that fist pump to the rally and to the rest of us who watched afterwards. Compare that to Genocide Joe Biden's dementia patient routines - and well, yeah.
Based on his age I'd say he's just totally filled with TDS and it rot his brain. Everybody around him knew it and he would be encouraged by the interested parties to make the next step, without anyone being directly involved. Just steer the fool and allow him to make the move.
Somewhat similar to the guy who shot Fico of Slovakia. Only that one was much older. Just proving the age does not equal wisdom.
Yes. So those doing the steering - any connections to deep state? Will obviously be investigated now for the next two decades.
The "deep state" actors are the negligent Secret Service security detail, you moron.
Hey fish face, who asked you? The question here is whether the deep state may have been involved prior to the shooting. Obviously the security detail failed in its duty. Which I brought up in my comment - asshole. So Fuck off.
Or more. Depending on what happens next. They still wait for everyone related to JFK assassination to safely go away.
This all conjecture at this point. All guesses by both of us. So called "critical thinking" can only go so far here. Even if you're Chomsky being interviewed by Amy Goodman.
jamenta, A fist pump and a face contorted with hatred, ordering people to fight their own - is that what it takes for the American people to vote for a president?!
I do not like Trump. I think he is a scamster and a con artist and a warmonger and a phony populist, among other things. But he was very clever with the fist pump, right after being shot at - because many people will see that as a show of strength, and it will work very well against a POTUS who refuses to resign because of his obvious dementia. Juxtapose someone who is clearly being selfish for his own aggrandizement, to a person who appears to have heroically survived an assassination attempt. It's all about the optics and the perception. And IMO, it's all over for Genocide Joe. Unless they find some other way to make Trump disappear, it's all she wrote.
The source in that video is a former sniper and christian nationalist, as is the host. He provided sniper support consulting. He's not about to criticize his colleagues.
They have agenda's - and that is OBVIOUS. Not a reliable source.
Dude - just go away. The guy being a "christian nationalist" has no bearing on his expertise as a sniper. The interview was done 11 hours ago. Still going to vote for RFK Jr. - Mr. Fish Face?
No bearing? He called the assassin "ANTIFA". You think that has anything to do with his expertise as a sniper? The host spoke of Jesus, both had books on Jesus in the background, and called the assassin an "evil doer".
As a sniper, he killed many people in foreign lands. What would Jesus do?
You know, it's true, Atheists can be just as retarded as Christian Nationalists ...
When you don't have facts and are exposed as a fool, always go ad hominem, its all you got.
I'm not a fish face, know-it-all - cyberbully like you asshole. I can thank my lucky stars for that (at least).
That "expert" is totally biased and therefore totally unreliable. He made several fact errors and poor judgements as well, as I noted.
this guy isn't a Christian Nationalist, dunno how his analysis compares but he thinks the security mistakes were suspicious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6-z0PqTKeU
First esoteric point on the flag as wind indicator is absurd. Shot was fired from less than 150 yards, greatly reducing role of wind. It was NOT 300 yards and Trump was not a moving target. I argue flag could have been placed there for photo op.
The shooter was a 20 year old with no training and the photos I saw show no scope on the rifle.
The videos I've seen of the people observing assassin on the roof were when he was DEAD after the fact. The witness testimony (BBC interview) is not supported by video.
Much too much of the other crap is paranoid conspiracy theory that ignores the basic facts, which are a Roshomon: they support both theories that it was an indide job and that it was staged by Trump.
Trump moved his head. also Brian Berletic thinks the wind was still a factor, and he did receive military training in shooting.
I like his analysis of security lapses and failures, but I wouldn't conjecture conspiracy theories (or false flag events) based on that analysis (like he alludes to in his video).
People often over-estimate the competence level of experts, academics, intellectuals, organizations, corporations, people in power, oligarchs, etc.. People often seem to believe that "if so-and-so person/organization is one of the best in the world" then they must be competent 'always'. The reality is that failures happen all the time. Mistakes happen all the time (sometimes even by the most qualified and experienced people). Add in the element of randomness and unpredictability - and you have multiple points of possible failure in any scenario/event (even high profile ones).
Unfortunately, most people are unable to come to grips with "normal human folly and stupidity", "inadequate preparedness", and "hubris that leads to complacency, shortsightedness, negligence, and errors in judgement" (especially for high profile/intensity events) - and often go in the direction of conspiracy theories to try to resolve the cognitive dissonance between what they observe/experience and their interpretation /conception of how the world works (or should).
In a sense, many conspiracy theories are an attempt to explain the reality in a way so as to "fit-in" with an already believed/ingrained world-view and system - i.e. making unexplainable observations fit/conform to existing belief systems. If narratives have to change for that to happen, then so be it - whatever resolves the discomfort. (Revisionist histories are a good example of changing narratives to fit dominant/socially-acceptable belief systems).
I used to think that. Now that I understand what my government is capable of, I firmly believe we need a 4th branch of government called ‘we the fucking people have guns too’. Consider the constant repetition of ‘the shooter used an AR-15 style rifle’ by the paid propagandists is to make it seem like it’s an epidemic that must be cured by banning all guns (that could enable a resistance). I will sit here in my bomb bunker clutching a bible and gun praying that’s never needed. 😉
I am not against gun ownership. But I am for more control over who is qualified for certain type of guns, and there needs to be more responsibility imposed on ownership - for a greater level of public safety - for us all.
Yes crazy people should not have access to guns (of course they’ll call anyone suspicious of government agencies too crazy to own a gun). Tough nut to crack
Freedom - doesn't mean you're free to do whatever the fuck you want in a civil society. Everybody gets to enjoy freedom, but only because we all agree upon certain rules to protect our freedoms. And some of these rules ought to be in regard to the billionaire sociopaths currently running the US into the ground, making money anyway they can - for themselves.
Freedom isn't something where you can be a selfish asshole and drive down a residential street at 100 mph. Freedom means we all respect the freedom of other people we live with who are our neighbors, and agree upon the value of each person's life - and don't exploit them to the hilt - just because you can.