The most outspoken critics of Israel have often been Jews. I read the oldest publication in Israel, Haaretz, daily and it is the conscience of Jewish Israelis, speaking truth to power, exposing lies and atrocities. We should feel deep kinship with those Jews with the gut to speak out against Israerli criminality, for they are the least safe of all.
Great point. Most of the best and most persuasive anti-Zionists are Jewish: Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Ilan Pappé, John Mearsheimer and many more.
Also, many of the most vile Zionists have been gentiles: Mike Huckabee, Cyrus Scofield, John Nelson Darby, Winston Churchill, David Lloyd George, etc.
I believe that when they properly lose control of the narrative the Zionists will pivot to try to divert criticism from Zionism to Jews in general. Both to discredit anti-Zionism, and to try to unite Jews around Zionism.
As usual, you fail in reading comprehension: my point was clear to anyoe not lusting to smash me with hatred. Among Jew, those who face the most danger are those who criticize Israel. I will amend my comment so that even you get its meaining, which is clear to anyone not frothing at the mouth to pin me down: "We should feel deep inship with those Jews with the guts to spea against Israeli criminalit, for they are the least safe Jews of all. Nothing in the original comment even hinted at a comparison with the Palestinians. So go hate someone else a while; it's boring.
WHY are you talking about 'the safety of Jews' in the first place when there is a GENOCIDE GOING ON OF PALESTINIANS ???
Why do you KEEP focusing on 'Jews and their safety' in an environment of 'utter annihilation' of Palestinians and so many other Muslims, Christians, and Arabs in the MENA region ???
What are YOUR priorities Dale Ruff? What are YOUR morals? This ISN'T the time to 'wanting to be NEUTRAL' or 'playing BOTH sides'.
Read my post with an open mind and you will find the answer, as I posit that any leader who cannot make Israeli Jews feel safe will not last long. The devatating Iranian attack woke up the people to the fact that Netanayahu's criminal attacks on Iran did not make Israelis safer but less safe. if You were not blinde by hatred, what is clear to the many who like my post would make sense to you. I am not hear to answer your accusatory questions, Chang. I will continue to offer independent analysis and leave the hate shit to to you I have oppose all wars in my life, from Vietnam, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to US support for the Israeli genocide. I have made this clear to anyone not blinded by hatred. Neutral, hardly. I refuse to fight in Vietnam, I marched with Dr. King, and today I write daily to support Palestinian rights and denounce Israeli atrocities, as anyone without a stick up their ass would know.
>>"...as I posit that any leader who cannot make Israeli Jews feel safe..."
You don't get it, do you? Jews will NEVER be safe in Israel - REGARDLESS of the leader. WHY? Because Israel was FOUNDED on the PREMISE of settler-colonialism (which includes ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide).
Jews were SAFE in the MENA region BEFORE the invention and creation of Israel (I hope you know your history here Dale - the stuff you learned in your ELITE education at Harvard and UC Berkeley and your MANY famed walks with MLK). In fact, ISRAEL is what made Jews UNSAFE in the MENA region!
And Dale Ruff, please stop trying to 'extoll your virtues' and make yourself look good (including your attempts at 'argument from authority' fallacy). It is NOT a good look, and you are FAILING miserably.
My comment was understood to be speaking, as was the topic of my post, of the safety of Jews. My clear point is that those Jews who speak out against Israeli war crimes are the least safe among them. Perhaps you do not understand that by Israeli criminality, I mean the genocide of Palestinians. Stop acting stupid.
Oh, you are so perceptive Dale (/s). I never realized you had trained as a psychologist/psychotherapist too. My bad.
Please don't let me stop you from 'diagnosing the mental illnesses' of EVERYONE that disagrees with you. Sure, feel free to throw around your erudite 'diagnosis' of other people's behaviors as much as you wish.
I hope, though, that you FOCUS MORE on the Genocide and the Palestinians than on the people in this substack that disagree with 'your erudite opinions gleamed from your elite education and world-famous interactions with very important people' (these are YOUR words, not mine - go back and look at some of your past comments for evidence of this).
Work on a better argument there Dale, or didn't they teach you that at Harvard or UC Berkeley?
Calling everyone that finds 'flaws and bad logic with your arguments' a 'hater' doesn't really work on anyone - and neither is it very convincing.
But then again, if you wish to provide COMIC relief to the members of Caitlin's substack, then who am I to stop you? Please continue...(and sorry for the interruption)...
"The most outspoken critics of Israel have often been Jews" - and that's perfectly fine for the purposes of control. Create an illusion of "democracy" while dismissing them in reality. All the while keep doing what you're doing..
The hater is back> an example of a Jew who has been attacked by AIPAC for calling out Israel for murder is NOam Chomsky. No one in our lifetimes has been more influential in teaching us the mechanisms of control and challenging us to confront it. Another group of Jews in Israel are the people who write for Haaretz and on a daily basis denounce the regime. These people pay a price for standing up and speaking truth to power. Haaratz nor Chomsky are claiming Israel (or the US) is a democracy but calling out the slid into fascism, as Einstein did in 1948. They are no part of control but the challenge to control. You are an idiot with your stupid fake name. Please leave me alone; you are not only obnoxious but boring.
Look for the transcript I'm going to publish of Joti Brar explaining the scam of the Labor party in Britain. It is exactly the same as the one the Democrats use here in the US.
Do note this quote:
"Zionism is not optional for a British career politician at a high level -- it's mandatory."
Here's the link to the entire episode. Brar nails it. The problem is capitalism.
Thank you JohnOnKaui for the link to Joti Brar. Her Marxist analysis of capitalism and imperialism is one that the people of the global south have been aware of, and struggling against for ever. And the good people of the West should make themselves acquainted with, if there's going to be an escape from the present inferno.
Wading through Caitlin's comment page - and getting exceedingly disappointed by the way some go hammer and tongs at each other indulging in hairsplitting - it was a relief to come across your link to Joti Brar.
She is often on Garland Nixon's show. She's like a wrecking ball. Nothing stands against her logic.
May I suggest Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff.
Especially their interviews with Robinson Erhardt on YouTube. For people who are already familiar with what Hudson and Wolff have to say, these interviews reveal so much more.
As long as one calls oneself a 'jew' or whatever there's zero safety. This is guaranteed.
The most outspoken critics of Israel have often been Jews. I read the oldest publication in Israel, Haaretz, daily and it is the conscience of Jewish Israelis, speaking truth to power, exposing lies and atrocities. We should feel deep kinship with those Jews with the gut to speak out against Israerli criminality, for they are the least safe of all.
Great point. Most of the best and most persuasive anti-Zionists are Jewish: Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Ilan Pappé, John Mearsheimer and many more.
Also, many of the most vile Zionists have been gentiles: Mike Huckabee, Cyrus Scofield, John Nelson Darby, Winston Churchill, David Lloyd George, etc.
I believe that when they properly lose control of the narrative the Zionists will pivot to try to divert criticism from Zionism to Jews in general. Both to discredit anti-Zionism, and to try to unite Jews around Zionism.
Yes. When the Jews are no longer a good sell, they will be disposed of.
Just like Ukraine.
"...Jews with the gut to speak out against Israerli criminality, for they are the least safe of all"
Really Dale Ruff? Have you been aware of the Genocide of Palestinians in Gaza? Are you 'deaf, dumb, and blind'?
I would say that the Palestinians are orders of magnitude MORE unsafe than ANY Jew (or Zionist) on the planet. Do you disagree with me?
As usual, you fail in reading comprehension: my point was clear to anyoe not lusting to smash me with hatred. Among Jew, those who face the most danger are those who criticize Israel. I will amend my comment so that even you get its meaining, which is clear to anyone not frothing at the mouth to pin me down: "We should feel deep inship with those Jews with the guts to spea against Israeli criminalit, for they are the least safe Jews of all. Nothing in the original comment even hinted at a comparison with the Palestinians. So go hate someone else a while; it's boring.
Here's the question Dale Ruff ->
WHY are you talking about 'the safety of Jews' in the first place when there is a GENOCIDE GOING ON OF PALESTINIANS ???
Why do you KEEP focusing on 'Jews and their safety' in an environment of 'utter annihilation' of Palestinians and so many other Muslims, Christians, and Arabs in the MENA region ???
What are YOUR priorities Dale Ruff? What are YOUR morals? This ISN'T the time to 'wanting to be NEUTRAL' or 'playing BOTH sides'.
Stop being so dense. It is really disappointing.
Stop taking drugs and check yourself into a mental health facility.
Read my post with an open mind and you will find the answer, as I posit that any leader who cannot make Israeli Jews feel safe will not last long. The devatating Iranian attack woke up the people to the fact that Netanayahu's criminal attacks on Iran did not make Israelis safer but less safe. if You were not blinde by hatred, what is clear to the many who like my post would make sense to you. I am not hear to answer your accusatory questions, Chang. I will continue to offer independent analysis and leave the hate shit to to you I have oppose all wars in my life, from Vietnam, to Iraq, to Afghanistan, to US support for the Israeli genocide. I have made this clear to anyone not blinded by hatred. Neutral, hardly. I refuse to fight in Vietnam, I marched with Dr. King, and today I write daily to support Palestinian rights and denounce Israeli atrocities, as anyone without a stick up their ass would know.
>>"...as I posit that any leader who cannot make Israeli Jews feel safe..."
You don't get it, do you? Jews will NEVER be safe in Israel - REGARDLESS of the leader. WHY? Because Israel was FOUNDED on the PREMISE of settler-colonialism (which includes ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and genocide).
Jews were SAFE in the MENA region BEFORE the invention and creation of Israel (I hope you know your history here Dale - the stuff you learned in your ELITE education at Harvard and UC Berkeley and your MANY famed walks with MLK). In fact, ISRAEL is what made Jews UNSAFE in the MENA region!
And Dale Ruff, please stop trying to 'extoll your virtues' and make yourself look good (including your attempts at 'argument from authority' fallacy). It is NOT a good look, and you are FAILING miserably.
My comment was understood to be speaking, as was the topic of my post, of the safety of Jews. My clear point is that those Jews who speak out against Israeli war crimes are the least safe among them. Perhaps you do not understand that by Israeli criminality, I mean the genocide of Palestinians. Stop acting stupid.
>>"Stop acting stupid."
Stop being stupid Dale Ruff, but maybe that is too much to ask of you. So go ahead and be stupid if you wish.
I simply enjoy the comic relief you often provide us here as a free service. Keep going strong, Dale Ruff!
Ah, boring.........echoing. "Echoing your words without responding meaningfully can be a way to avoid answering or confronting the issue.
Trolling or passive-aggression:
Some people echo criticism mockingly to annoy or derail the conversation.
Lack of critical thinking or effort:
Sometimes it just means they’re not interested in genuine dialogue," All you do is divide us. So get lost (you can't; you are obsessed with me...)
Oh, you are so perceptive Dale (/s). I never realized you had trained as a psychologist/psychotherapist too. My bad.
Please don't let me stop you from 'diagnosing the mental illnesses' of EVERYONE that disagrees with you. Sure, feel free to throw around your erudite 'diagnosis' of other people's behaviors as much as you wish.
I hope, though, that you FOCUS MORE on the Genocide and the Palestinians than on the people in this substack that disagree with 'your erudite opinions gleamed from your elite education and world-famous interactions with very important people' (these are YOUR words, not mine - go back and look at some of your past comments for evidence of this).
Your attempt at sarcasm is stale. Keep hating. It really helps unite us.
Work on a better argument there Dale, or didn't they teach you that at Harvard or UC Berkeley?
Calling everyone that finds 'flaws and bad logic with your arguments' a 'hater' doesn't really work on anyone - and neither is it very convincing.
But then again, if you wish to provide COMIC relief to the members of Caitlin's substack, then who am I to stop you? Please continue...(and sorry for the interruption)...
"The most outspoken critics of Israel have often been Jews" - and that's perfectly fine for the purposes of control. Create an illusion of "democracy" while dismissing them in reality. All the while keep doing what you're doing..
That's been the successful MO so far.
The hater is back> an example of a Jew who has been attacked by AIPAC for calling out Israel for murder is NOam Chomsky. No one in our lifetimes has been more influential in teaching us the mechanisms of control and challenging us to confront it. Another group of Jews in Israel are the people who write for Haaretz and on a daily basis denounce the regime. These people pay a price for standing up and speaking truth to power. Haaratz nor Chomsky are claiming Israel (or the US) is a democracy but calling out the slid into fascism, as Einstein did in 1948. They are no part of control but the challenge to control. You are an idiot with your stupid fake name. Please leave me alone; you are not only obnoxious but boring.
Look for the transcript I'm going to publish of Joti Brar explaining the scam of the Labor party in Britain. It is exactly the same as the one the Democrats use here in the US.
Do note this quote:
"Zionism is not optional for a British career politician at a high level -- it's mandatory."
Here's the link to the entire episode. Brar nails it. The problem is capitalism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HABwKORAaZE
Thank you JohnOnKaui for the link to Joti Brar. Her Marxist analysis of capitalism and imperialism is one that the people of the global south have been aware of, and struggling against for ever. And the good people of the West should make themselves acquainted with, if there's going to be an escape from the present inferno.
Wading through Caitlin's comment page - and getting exceedingly disappointed by the way some go hammer and tongs at each other indulging in hairsplitting - it was a relief to come across your link to Joti Brar.
She is often on Garland Nixon's show. She's like a wrecking ball. Nothing stands against her logic.
May I suggest Michael Hudson and Richard Wolff.
Especially their interviews with Robinson Erhardt on YouTube. For people who are already familiar with what Hudson and Wolff have to say, these interviews reveal so much more.
Thank you JohnOnKaui, for sharing. I am glad to say that I am familiar with the writers you have mentioned.
You don't get it.
Would you tell Palestinians NOT to call themselves Palestinians for the same reason?
Who's talking about telling anyone what to do, Dale?