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Starry Gordon's avatar

On the other hand Germany has quite a history, to put it very mildly, going back to the ancient world. Given your screen name, you should check out the Chatti, who were among the tribes that wasted the Romans at Teutoberg. Their name probably referred to the European lynx.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I am well aware of German history. It doesn't matter now.

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Jeano's avatar

Agreed. Germany the country came into existence in 1871. Within 70 years of their birth they had started 2, count them, 2 world wars. When we took away their guns, they dominated those around them financially with their bank. I think they have their identity—it’s Prussian from the get go. A little horse hair in the the fencing scar and a big Ach tung (apologies for spelling). They are the only people of the world that need “re-education” as badly as the Americans do. And I’m half German.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

And yet Germany is the heart of Europe. Or maybe I should say "The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation" and include France (the Franks were a German tribe), the Benelux countries, and Northern Italy. Not long ago they seemed to be to be the last of the liberal states. The last of the last. Pretty ironic given the history.

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Jeano's avatar

I don’t know about “irony”—mostly insanity I think. Liberals do not mind war. They in fact embrace it most of the time. Look at Obama and his constant warring, droning, building up nuking, pivoting to China, while displaying the epitome of liberal thinking and the result thereof. Liberals were the guiding force behind the Vietnam horror show, not even blinking over the dropping of napalm on civilians. NAPALM!!! No, even tho now we have neo-liberalism as a concept to explain the viciousness of our thinking and acting, it’s still liberalism that is at bottom nothing more than patriarchy in nice clothes on beautiful people who must stop those damn masses from taking their goods.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

The question, though, is not what is best but what we can get.

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Jeano's avatar

Ya, I’ve heard that. To me it’s more like we get what we pay for. We don’t do any work for our way of life, just let the politicians give it to us, so of course we’re going to get crap. As in the fault dear Brutus…. The yuppies resigned from citizen participation in government and ran off to the corporations for money love and good wine. The creeping corporate coup we are now experiencing is a direct result of that. And yes, yuppies are incipient fascists in that they want rule by Wall Street backed by pretty, polite and witty positions, but no commies dammit!

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Starry Gordon's avatar

A long time ago I was arguing with a woman of the social-democratic type about capitalism, which (as is my habit) I was criticizing negatively. She said what I quote above: the question is not what is best but what we can get. She added, "Many of my relatives are poor. If they can't get Welfare, unemployment insurance, and so on, some of them will literally die. They are my people and I must try to keep them alive." In those days I did not know how poor people were. We should change things, but apparently we don't know how to do it.

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