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The Civilized Ape's avatar

People oppose Capitalism because they are economically ignorant. As Hayek writes : "If socialists understood economics they wouldn't be socialists.”

We would not be having all of these Neocon wars and CovidMania if the totally clueless and ignorant messes weren't gladly sending 50% of their wealth to a coercive monopoly of clueless and tribalistic dogooders in various capitals. It is not Walmart and Amazon.com and Google and Microsoft that are attacking millions. These companies, although of course increasingly influenced by Neocons and other tribalistic morons hire and integrate and give a productive order to millions of people all over the world and are constantly having to innovate and copy each other's innovations due to the need to compete for customers. Something no socialist minded government coercive monopolistic entity has to do.

I hope you consider reading about 'The Austrian School of Economics' . I'm sure you already greatly respect people like Ron Paul. Why not read about the men that created him?

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Caitlin Johnstone's avatar

Defenders of capitalism who condescendingly bloviate about how nobody understands economics except them are always shockingly ignorant about the ideological positions they attack, and have almost universally done zero reading of any Marxian economists.

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Greg C's avatar

I don't defend capitalism, but I also don't aspire to socialism. Neither are sustainable.

Voluntaryism is the natural state of man. Your spectrum has Shit at both ends.

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Sanity Jane's avatar

It’s a shame this thread degenerated to abuse because you all make good points.

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

I disagree, and I’m also not someone who’s easily fooled by the false veneer of civility and optics. You sound very pretentious btw.

Like one of those people who says shit like “as soon as you cursed you lost the argument.”

A lot of people think that the most important part of a discussion is being “respectful” (fake) as opposed to the actual point that someones trying to make. Same thing with grammar.

If semantics are more important to you than the actual point that’s being made, stop pretending like your opinion is based on anything important. It’s not, and I want you to be aware of that.

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Sanity Jane's avatar

Okay, fair enough, mate. 👍🏽

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

Thanks for blocking me, cunt. <3

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jamenta's avatar

Cooperation, collaboration is innate to man - and is what makes a civilized, free society thrive. In Unity, Strength.

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Greg C's avatar

That is Exactly what Voluntaryism is.

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jamenta's avatar

"In Unity, Strength" Is a famous Marine motto. When you're in the Marines, you can't voluntarily do whatever the fuck you want. The Marines collaborate in order to achieve a common goal.

Replacing government with just voluntaryism is a load of shit. We all know that.

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Greg C's avatar

You obviously have no clue about what voluntaryism is. Nowhere does Voluntaryism propose "You can do whatever the fuck you want." Educate yourself before you shoot your mouth off. And.. The Marines are a Huge load of Shit... If we have to go to ad hominem attacks right from the gitgo.

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Starry Gordon's avatar

Well, property is a social relationship, so in a sense it's never private.

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Anaylsis Stack's avatar

Ok. This has to be said, a comment so pretzel twisted has to be set straight.

Hayek, the Austrian School and greed created NeoCon theory along with Dr. Paul Wolfowitz. My time in Dr. Wolfowitz upper division university class, History 486 Economics of War, became afternoons of self praise as an aide to Henry Kissinger and a nascent theory of solving the end of markets in global capitalism using constant war and conflict as “the driver of capitalist democracy”. The term itself is an oxymoron. Capitalism is not Democratic it is wealth accumulation without limits.

The endless wars are the bastard child of greed and narcissism enamored of things rather than human needs. The endless wars ARE Neoconservative theory in practice.

The donors to campaigns advertising hope on saving a planet are human beings practicing human compassion in action.

The twisted use of falsehoods is an attempt at validating a personal belief, heinous in its contortion of fact, and is the most valid proof of an inhumanity into which capitalism has descended.

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Anaylsis Stack's avatar

Timmie Teas: what personal gain do you earn in posting targeted insults?

1. You insult from nowhere with no validation.

2. Your style is an assault as the focus of comment.

3. Eschew using drivel as a basis for personal insults, especially in denying another’s experience in affairs.

This practice of assault as you’ve plainly exhibited gives insult to trolling. Any further aggressive comment will be reported, and I encourage others to do so in any evidence of aggressive trolling.

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jamenta's avatar

Yeah - the guy has been consistently trolling me ever since he appeared. I believe the comments section has been targeted likely because a group (political, deep state?) of people actually disagree with most of what Caitlin writes and want to abuse her comments section. This guy is right up there with grade A+ ass.

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Gregory T's avatar

It should be remembered, that the golden rule of economic 'science', is that all economic models are 100% true and correct.

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bill wolfe's avatar

You are not only a rabid ignorant ideologue, but a liar to boot. No rich bastard on the planet sends 50% of their wealth to any government on earth. There are no wealth taxes and the income taxes are low and being lowered across the globe. Read Karl Polanyi, not your Austrian racist friends.

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bill wolfe's avatar

that was supposed to be "fascist" not racist.

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

Why tf would you think any socialist respects Ron Paul? You have such a simple misunderstanding of the world. Every concept to you is “simple”. That’s because the illogical conclusions you’ve arrived at are simple. They require no thought process, no insight, no consideration.

Capitalism is obviously not working for most people in America. Only a privileged few. You won’t believe me because you’re brainwashed and infatuated with western propaganda, but North Korea is actually doing a hell of a lot better than the US despite being substantially less wealthy. No homeless people, free, quality healthcare, nice homes, good jobs and enough money to live comfortably.

To me, that is what a successful country looks like. Hard work alone doesnt pay off like it used to. Especially with no job security, almost no unions and astronomical rent/ home prices thanks to deregulation.

I get it.. you’re old and out of touch. But that’s not something to be proud of at all. Evolve.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

I would have chosen Japan as a paradigm instead of North Korea. But that's just me, eh?

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

That’s because you, like most Americans, are easily influenced and fooled by western capitalist propaganda. The rest of the world has a very different opinion of North Korea (:

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Golly gadzooks and zoundz!

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

The rest of the world hates the US. Most countries have a good relationship with North Korea. Even though you’re an idiot and incompetent, you can easily look this up.

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Noah (he/him)'s avatar

That’s because you, like most Americans, are easily influenced and fooled by western capitalist propaganda. The rest of the world has a very different opinion of North Korea. The US has an agenda to push, they need you and other idiots like you to believe nk is horrific so you don’t end up realizing how bad things actually are here. And you’re stupid enough to believe it blindly, because you think you live in the greatest country in the world.

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jamenta's avatar

Beware of the one book person.

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bill wolfe's avatar

Hayek's "Road To Serfdom"

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