All of those events demonstrates how Israel has manipulated and infiltrated the US. None of those mentioned are in the US interest, or show US sovereignty in any way whatsoever.
I’m talking about the bigger picture elephant in the room of Israel’s influence and takeover of the USA, rather than yourself focusing on individual claims.
The details of individual events are less important than the overarching influence, and US takeover of powerful Zionists, who shape US policy and decisions.
Your dismissive attitude claims of “sloppy thinking” and “dogshit analysis”, glosses over the systemic nature of my perspective, which is that Israel totally influences and controls the USA in a wide range of ways, even if that can’t be seen directly or transparently from the individual claims you make.
>>"None of those mentioned are in the US interest"
Again, you fail to understand what "US interests" mean.
The Empire Managers, oligarchs, power elite, etc. DO NOT CARE about the ordinary citizens/denizens of America. They are a secondary thought. First and foremost, these Empire Managers care about themselves and their PROFITS.
One needs to look through the lens and framework of geopolitics and great power politics to truly explain the conundrum of why the US considers Israel as the 51st state of America. There are many reasons why the US supports Israel - some of them are:
(1) Israel acts as a proxy for the US in the Middle-East and represents its interests in the region.
(2) Israel carries out a lot of the dirty work (clandestine operations, arming US supported regimes, covert operations that benefit the US empire, etc.) on the US's behalf so as to avoid the bad PR that America would be blamed for. (Examples from history: supporting South African apartheid, arming the contras in Nicaragua, supporting rebels in Gautemala, etc. - the list is too long)
(3) Israel creates just enough chaos in the Middle-East to keep the Islamic Middle-East countries divided. This way, none of the oil and resource rich countries can ever unite and pose a threat to the US empire. This also helps the US maintain price-controls over resources such as oil.
There are many other reasons, but you get the idea. The Middle-East region is of great strategic interest to the US - mainly for oil and gas but also for trade routes.
Supporting Israel helps the US manage and control activities in the region. In reality, it has little to do with Jews or Judaism or Zionism. If Israel was occupied by some other ethnic nationality (i.e. if some other group played the role of Israel for the US), the US would end up supporting that entity as long as that entity could prove that it could represent America's interests in the region effectively.
So the US Empire Managers, care about themselves and profits. We agree there.
Then we can take look at how Zionists have infiltrated every level of important sectors of US society: news, media, politicians, government, wall street, technology, lobbyism...etc.
And so then the picture starts to make sense, US Empire Managers only care about themselves and profits, and they're mostly Zionist Jews.
Israel has done nothing but be a net negative, for the actual US Empire. Israel is the reason why the Middle East hates America. Because of the accelerated Gaza genocide, there's been a huge anti-Zionist movement. Polls also show that Americans are concerned and waking up to the reality that the Zionists are a genocidal entity and that the US shouldn't be supporting it. The problem is that the US is DOMINATED with Zionist billionaires, who control so many sectors.
And these self-interested Zionist lobbyists are responsible for this destructive foreign policy that doesn't even really serve US imperial interests. Meaning, the US empire is likely to collapse quicker and much more violently than it would need to if it pursued a wiser policy, putting diplomacy ahead of rabid genocidal endeavors.
But the people that profit from instability in the military industrial complex, and the rabid brainwashed Zionists who are just fanatical millenarian messianic extremists, those are the people who are responsible for this completely senseless and destructive and self-destructive foreign policy.
>>"Israel has done nothing but be a net negative, for the actual US Empire."
Again, I don't think you know "what" or "who" is the "actual" US Empire. The US Empire is NOT "the ordinary citizens of America". The US Empire DOES NOT CARE about the ordinary citizens of America. If you are under that illusion, then you have still not woken up from all the propagandizing done by the US Empire.
The US Empire consistes of:
(1) Global capitalists and corporations that benefit from Israel's destabilizing effect in the MENA region
(2) The MIC that is able to "test" new weapons, sell more arms and profit all over the world ("The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World" by Antony Loewenstein)
(3) The oligarchs, power elite, global billionaires that are able to LAUNDER large sums of money through opaque arrangements with Israel
(4) US Corporations (eg. energy companies) are able to have influence (and a certain amount of control) on the pricing and supply/demand of resources like oil, gas, etc.
These are just some of the dozens of ways that Israel serves the US Empire.
>>"Israel is the reason why the Middle East hates America."
NO, Israel is only ONE of the reasons. If Israel did not exist, the US would STILL want to maintain hegemony over that region. The MENA would STILL hate the US (even without Israel). That is the nature of the US Empire.
>>"problem is that the US is DOMINATED with Zionist billionaires"
It doesn't matter if the billionaires are Zionist or Christian or atheists or secular or whatever. Billionaires are the problem. The system that produces billionaires (Capitalism) is the problem.
The Israel lobbies do the DIRTY WORK of representing the interests of the US Empire. The Israel lobbies serve the agendas of US Foreign Policy. They serve the Empire Managers. There is this "ILLUSION" or magic trick that makes people think it is AIPAC or Zionists or Jews controlling the US. Until you are able to see "how the magic trick works", "how the illusion is performed", you will continue to be misled, distracted, and made to believe the narratives of the magicians.
If there was NO MONEY to be made from the Middle-East, no US Empire interests to protect in the Middle-East, then HISTORY would be DIFFERENT. You would have to start imagining an alternate timeline/reality for this. BTW, this process started before the US got seriously interested. There have been other players too - Russia, France, Britain, Germany.
Read up on history to learn about the shifting alliances in the Middle-East region and the various power-plays throughout history (before and after 1948) to understand more.
I could go on, but I get the feeling there is little point - as you may not have the background material (history, geopolitics, etc.) to unravel the complex narratives being spun by US Empire Managers.
With all due respect, you downplay or misunderstand the degree of Israel’s influence over the US. Israel is the orchestrator, not just the beneficiary of US foreign policy.
What you’re relaying is a commonly repeated take, which is a purposeful misdirection (Not you, but those who originated this line of thinking). Basically, it’s “controlled opposition”, covering up for Israel.
I would say you need a deep dive into the history of Zionism, and how Jews have created and set the current geopolitical scene as we have it today. Start in the 1800’s and take your time understanding the spread and breadth of how Zionists took control over the West.
Until you have done so, history, large world events, just do not make sense. And you will be stuck with the half-truths that the common controlled opposition purport instead.
I understand your point of view, and your thinking. It is common, and I have encountered it before from several different sources (including different ideologies).
My response to you would be: You may be a little idealistic about America. You may even understimate America's influence on the world.
I would suggest taking a deeper dive into world history - including colonialism, imperialism, and especially Captialism. Follow the true history (not the revisionist history they teach in educational institutions around the US). Read Howard Zinn and his "A People's history of the United States".
Listen to talks by John Maersheimer and Jeffrey Sachs. Understand how power works. Dive deeper into US foreign policy. Read "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism" by Naomi Klein. Read Noam Chomsky, Vijay Prashad, Michael Parenti, Chris Hedges, and John Pilger. Understand how America became what it is today.
Without this background knowledge and history, you will alway be missing a crucial piece of the puzzle that is the US Empire. Zionism (and Israel) are but a microcosm in terms of the US Empire. They are a part of the whole. There is much more to geopolitics, global hegemony, and US Foreign Policy than just Israel and Zionism. Until you know about those missing pieces, until you look at the larger picture and see how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together, you will continue to believe the narratives and simplistic explanations that you currently do about "how the world really works" and "who all the players are" and their "relative strengths and weaknesses".
"Oh yeah but what about all these extremely tenuous claims that don't address a single thing you just said, huh??"
This is the kind of sloppy thinking and dogshit analysis I'm talking about.
All of those events demonstrates how Israel has manipulated and infiltrated the US. None of those mentioned are in the US interest, or show US sovereignty in any way whatsoever.
I’m talking about the bigger picture elephant in the room of Israel’s influence and takeover of the USA, rather than yourself focusing on individual claims.
The details of individual events are less important than the overarching influence, and US takeover of powerful Zionists, who shape US policy and decisions.
Your dismissive attitude claims of “sloppy thinking” and “dogshit analysis”, glosses over the systemic nature of my perspective, which is that Israel totally influences and controls the USA in a wide range of ways, even if that can’t be seen directly or transparently from the individual claims you make.
>>"None of those mentioned are in the US interest"
Again, you fail to understand what "US interests" mean.
The Empire Managers, oligarchs, power elite, etc. DO NOT CARE about the ordinary citizens/denizens of America. They are a secondary thought. First and foremost, these Empire Managers care about themselves and their PROFITS.
One needs to look through the lens and framework of geopolitics and great power politics to truly explain the conundrum of why the US considers Israel as the 51st state of America. There are many reasons why the US supports Israel - some of them are:
(1) Israel acts as a proxy for the US in the Middle-East and represents its interests in the region.
(2) Israel carries out a lot of the dirty work (clandestine operations, arming US supported regimes, covert operations that benefit the US empire, etc.) on the US's behalf so as to avoid the bad PR that America would be blamed for. (Examples from history: supporting South African apartheid, arming the contras in Nicaragua, supporting rebels in Gautemala, etc. - the list is too long)
(3) Israel creates just enough chaos in the Middle-East to keep the Islamic Middle-East countries divided. This way, none of the oil and resource rich countries can ever unite and pose a threat to the US empire. This also helps the US maintain price-controls over resources such as oil.
There are many other reasons, but you get the idea. The Middle-East region is of great strategic interest to the US - mainly for oil and gas but also for trade routes.
Supporting Israel helps the US manage and control activities in the region. In reality, it has little to do with Jews or Judaism or Zionism. If Israel was occupied by some other ethnic nationality (i.e. if some other group played the role of Israel for the US), the US would end up supporting that entity as long as that entity could prove that it could represent America's interests in the region effectively.
So the US Empire Managers, care about themselves and profits. We agree there.
Then we can take look at how Zionists have infiltrated every level of important sectors of US society: news, media, politicians, government, wall street, technology, lobbyism...etc.
And so then the picture starts to make sense, US Empire Managers only care about themselves and profits, and they're mostly Zionist Jews.
Israel has done nothing but be a net negative, for the actual US Empire. Israel is the reason why the Middle East hates America. Because of the accelerated Gaza genocide, there's been a huge anti-Zionist movement. Polls also show that Americans are concerned and waking up to the reality that the Zionists are a genocidal entity and that the US shouldn't be supporting it. The problem is that the US is DOMINATED with Zionist billionaires, who control so many sectors.
And these self-interested Zionist lobbyists are responsible for this destructive foreign policy that doesn't even really serve US imperial interests. Meaning, the US empire is likely to collapse quicker and much more violently than it would need to if it pursued a wiser policy, putting diplomacy ahead of rabid genocidal endeavors.
But the people that profit from instability in the military industrial complex, and the rabid brainwashed Zionists who are just fanatical millenarian messianic extremists, those are the people who are responsible for this completely senseless and destructive and self-destructive foreign policy.
>>"Israel has done nothing but be a net negative, for the actual US Empire."
Again, I don't think you know "what" or "who" is the "actual" US Empire. The US Empire is NOT "the ordinary citizens of America". The US Empire DOES NOT CARE about the ordinary citizens of America. If you are under that illusion, then you have still not woken up from all the propagandizing done by the US Empire.
The US Empire consistes of:
(1) Global capitalists and corporations that benefit from Israel's destabilizing effect in the MENA region
(2) The MIC that is able to "test" new weapons, sell more arms and profit all over the world ("The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World" by Antony Loewenstein)
(3) The oligarchs, power elite, global billionaires that are able to LAUNDER large sums of money through opaque arrangements with Israel
(4) US Corporations (eg. energy companies) are able to have influence (and a certain amount of control) on the pricing and supply/demand of resources like oil, gas, etc.
These are just some of the dozens of ways that Israel serves the US Empire.
>>"Israel is the reason why the Middle East hates America."
NO, Israel is only ONE of the reasons. If Israel did not exist, the US would STILL want to maintain hegemony over that region. The MENA would STILL hate the US (even without Israel). That is the nature of the US Empire.
>>"problem is that the US is DOMINATED with Zionist billionaires"
It doesn't matter if the billionaires are Zionist or Christian or atheists or secular or whatever. Billionaires are the problem. The system that produces billionaires (Capitalism) is the problem.
The Israel lobbies do the DIRTY WORK of representing the interests of the US Empire. The Israel lobbies serve the agendas of US Foreign Policy. They serve the Empire Managers. There is this "ILLUSION" or magic trick that makes people think it is AIPAC or Zionists or Jews controlling the US. Until you are able to see "how the magic trick works", "how the illusion is performed", you will continue to be misled, distracted, and made to believe the narratives of the magicians.
If there was NO MONEY to be made from the Middle-East, no US Empire interests to protect in the Middle-East, then HISTORY would be DIFFERENT. You would have to start imagining an alternate timeline/reality for this. BTW, this process started before the US got seriously interested. There have been other players too - Russia, France, Britain, Germany.
Read up on history to learn about the shifting alliances in the Middle-East region and the various power-plays throughout history (before and after 1948) to understand more.
I could go on, but I get the feeling there is little point - as you may not have the background material (history, geopolitics, etc.) to unravel the complex narratives being spun by US Empire Managers.
With all due respect, you downplay or misunderstand the degree of Israel’s influence over the US. Israel is the orchestrator, not just the beneficiary of US foreign policy.
What you’re relaying is a commonly repeated take, which is a purposeful misdirection (Not you, but those who originated this line of thinking). Basically, it’s “controlled opposition”, covering up for Israel.
I would say you need a deep dive into the history of Zionism, and how Jews have created and set the current geopolitical scene as we have it today. Start in the 1800’s and take your time understanding the spread and breadth of how Zionists took control over the West.
Until you have done so, history, large world events, just do not make sense. And you will be stuck with the half-truths that the common controlled opposition purport instead.
I understand your point of view, and your thinking. It is common, and I have encountered it before from several different sources (including different ideologies).
My response to you would be: You may be a little idealistic about America. You may even understimate America's influence on the world.
I would suggest taking a deeper dive into world history - including colonialism, imperialism, and especially Captialism. Follow the true history (not the revisionist history they teach in educational institutions around the US). Read Howard Zinn and his "A People's history of the United States".
Listen to talks by John Maersheimer and Jeffrey Sachs. Understand how power works. Dive deeper into US foreign policy. Read "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism" by Naomi Klein. Read Noam Chomsky, Vijay Prashad, Michael Parenti, Chris Hedges, and John Pilger. Understand how America became what it is today.
Without this background knowledge and history, you will alway be missing a crucial piece of the puzzle that is the US Empire. Zionism (and Israel) are but a microcosm in terms of the US Empire. They are a part of the whole. There is much more to geopolitics, global hegemony, and US Foreign Policy than just Israel and Zionism. Until you know about those missing pieces, until you look at the larger picture and see how all the pieces of the puzzle fit together, you will continue to believe the narratives and simplistic explanations that you currently do about "how the world really works" and "who all the players are" and their "relative strengths and weaknesses".