If that’s so, who will be committing that violence on the Israelis? The Gazans? What does that make THEM? What has happened in Gaza and the WB since 10/7 is because of what happened on 10/7. Gaza reaps what it sows. Hamas is not sustainable. And if the Gazans won’t turn on them, it’s on the Gazans. I thought Trump’s suggestion for what should be done was fanciful and highly unlikely, but this can’t go on as it has with Palestinians, acting as Iran’s proxies, starting one war after another, always getting the shit kicked out of them because they can’t take an orange and make orange juice. Much less a lemon and make lemonade. I think Lee Smith has it pretty close to spot on.
“Here is the stark reality: Gazans, not just the enlisted members of the Hamas brigades, waged an exterminationist campaign against Israel, and they lost. At virtually any other time in history, save the last 75 years, they would be lucky to lose only territory and not have their legend and language permanently deleted from the book of the living.
Trump’s generous offer to the Gazans therefore signals a return to history, but with a twist. Trump has not only spared them, but vowed to provide them with new lives, better lives, work, new homes, a chance to raise their families in peace, an existence not premised on total and permanent war with a more powerful adversary destined to rout them entirely, and would have already done so if not for the objections of other powerful global players.
Trump, in his innovative mercy, has offered to save the Palestinian people from their own history, and give them a new idea to live by. They should thank their maker for the chance to start anew—and give thanks as well to the American president, who realistically promises them a better future, backed by U.S. global power. Given the repeated failure of the multi-decade-long dream of eliminating and replacing the Jews of Israel, it seems unlikely that the Palestinians will receive a better offer.”
Effectively, they have made themselves, Diaspora. They keep FAFO’ing. With the fall of Assad, the Palestinians have lost a land bridge for arms and war making supplies from Iran. Gazans have finally been ‘overtaken by events’, mainly decades of FAFO’ing.
Holy shit! Are you real? You must have drank gallons of the Kool Aid to actually believe that much less express it. The myth that Israel was just unoccupied wasteland is one of the greatest lies in history. A homeland was stolen and the world just stood by. Our propaganda machine has insured people like you will never be capable of seeing the truth. The truth is a homeland was stolen and its occupants brutalized. Try doing some honest research.
Try learning some real history. I didn’t say Israel was an empty wasteland. Jews were there. Large numbers of them. No homeland was stolen. One was created. I’m real. You real? How far is that 1970’s stoner lingo getting you. “Are you real?” Look, did you read the piece by Lee Smith. He’s a “real” journalist and author. If you’re objecting to my quote from his article, take it up with him. He makes a lot of good points. Go publish a responding piece. Maybe on some place like Substack. You can start your intro paragraph: “Holy shit! Are you real?”
People like him are not even worth responding to. All it does is aggravate you. They only serve the purpose of driving home how truly ignorant our education/propaganda system is.
So I read Lee Smith, and all he does is make opinionated pronouncements, where I was expecting some detailed history. I'm far more inclined to believe Jews native to Israel, who recognized and were so appalled by the racism implicit in seeing their Arab neighbors displaced for no valid reason that they were forced to reject Zionism -- have you read Miko Peled's, "The General's Son." That, my friend, is source material from the horse;'s mouth, not some BS from an observer with an apparent axe to grind. And in defense of gypsy, I myself am first-generation, my parents here from Italy early 20th Century. And when they restore Manhattan to its original inhabitants (HA), I'll fucking rejoice as they demolish those monuments to disaster capitalism, which already stole my parents house under eminent domain for peanuts in 1974 -- to build a police station as my dad lay in Florida recovering from a stroke. You think I give a fuck? Think again. And get a fucking grip on the reality as Miko's mom described it. Jews, Christians, Muslims lived in Palestine as neighbors, until Zionists couldn't bear the thought that any sort of social order could be valid other than that described in a set of ancient fucking FABLES. Unimaginably sick shit.
Couldn't help myself, gypsy, My Brooklyn street hackles popped up bigtime at this bullshit about large numbers of Jews being there, as if no one else was; plus ignoring the fact that most of the ultimate Jewish inhabitants, including Mr. Satanyahu, were Askenazics from Ukraine, Poland etc.; hardly native. And the 1970's stoner lingo comment got my Dago blood really boiling. Would like to see my 1970 self greet his 1970 self on a Brooklyn street. We'd see what the outcome of that confrontation would yield. No bullshit artist allowed in my old neighborhood without confrontation.
Uhhhuh. I just bet you are a real Luca Brasi type. I can tell. Ex college professor and all. Romans. Perhaps the biggest colonizers in all of world history, one of whom now complains that there weren’t enough Jews in old Palestine or old Judaea to justify Israel. Of course, the Romans have quite a history with the Jews in Judaea, right? Your historical hatred, Dago blood boiling and all, showing a bit? You can give your NY Brooklyn tough hackles rest. From one old man to another. I’m Scotch Irish.
I don't know. Luca Brasi tendencies perhaps when I hung out on the streets as a teen, but I think those have evaporated with the breakdown of my body. Those postures require energy I don't have any longer. Yeah maybe the dago blood boil comes from Rome via Mussolini and all deluded pseudo-conquistadors. It's a quandary. My neighborhood gang was an interesting mix of Dagos, Micks and Polish Jews, but that's NYC; growing up multicultural.
Vin, your comment literally made me laugh out loud… I love it!
Us Flintstones take no bullshit either! I may be a country hick now, but it’s something I had to learn; I wasn’t born that way. I too have the Mediterranean temperament and I just cannot let shit go!
You can take the girl outta Flint, but ya can’t take Flint outta the girl 😉
Similar experience when I arrived in NM. I had to learn to modulate my approach to bullshitters because folks took immediate offense to my direct manner, which they described to management as aggressive. Poor pampered babies, I thought, while learning to get along for the sake of better cooperative working conditions. "Sorry, it's just my NYC style," I'd apologize. But I was always a bit resentful that they couldn't distinguish directness from aggression. Ultimately, a good lesson for me in the age-old truth that resentment is the poison we drink expecting the other person to die.
You don’t know SHIT about the history of Palestine, stolen from its original inhabitants by an Amerikkkan -backed U.N. resolution. It’s THEIR LAND: WTF don’t you get about that?
I saw a great meme on YouTube. An elderly Palestinian man was sitting on the ruins of his home. He said, quote, “This is worth more to me than everything you have in America”.
Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, cause the Pals ain’t goin’ NOWHERE.
I don’t give a flyin’ fuck if you don’t take “Amerikkka” seriously.
Though I have Mohawk DNA, I reside on Chippewa land. I honor them every day by ecological land practices on my farm and I frequently visit a nearby sacred burial ground to thank them and tell them that their memory will never die. While I realize that’s insufficient MY parents had no part in the genocide of Native Americans; I am first-generation on my father’s side, and second on my mother’s.
Don’t fuck with cowgirls if ya know what’s good for ya. We pack pistols, both actual and verbal.
Love it. I live in a Metis community. More people should try listening to the downtrodden or maybe walking in their shoes. For the record I am white. While I grew up in the '60's I have never touched any type of drug. I won't even take prescription drugs. While most people don't live this lifestyle I believe for me it keeps my mind sharp and allows me to see a lot that many don't.
Métis community. Got it. But why are indigenous native community members downtrodden in any community you’re living in? Not enough intermarriage with their colonizers? I don’t get why they are, as you say, downtrodden. You wanna walk in their shoes. But not live in them. That it? It will be hard responding cuz you’d have to stop patting yourself on your back. Astonishing. The level of self righteousness on display.
I think you are the self righteous moron here. These are my friends and neighbours in a community that believes in helping each other. I guarantee you won't find or offer too much help involving your neighbours. Also, many of them are financially better off than we are so that line of bullshit scores no points with me. The downtrodden part is the shit they went through to get to where they are arriving at today. There are engineers, doctors, lawyers and other professionals coming out of these communities now as they learn the value of education.
At the county recorder’s office, is the land title in your name or some Mohawk or Chippewa? If some Chippewa shows up on your doorstep and tells you, “Leave now you damn colonizer!”, are you gonna skedaddle? It’s nice that your mommy and daddy made good for you on Chippewa land. Your pride in stating that your parents had nothing to do with what you call the genocide of Native Americans is an accident of your place on a timeline of history, perhaps 100 years? In Israel, there too are Jews living on land whose parents had nothing to do with what happened in 1947-49. Or today. You’re not so fussy about your land title history, but ever so fussy about land in Israel while not knowing very much of the Jews history there. That history certainly outpaces and has outlasted yours and your parents in Amerikkka.
Show Israelis the same respect until the Israeli government says the same thing. They won’t. And neither will the USA. So you’re conveniently safe now.
If that’s so, who will be committing that violence on the Israelis? The Gazans? What does that make THEM? What has happened in Gaza and the WB since 10/7 is because of what happened on 10/7. Gaza reaps what it sows. Hamas is not sustainable. And if the Gazans won’t turn on them, it’s on the Gazans. I thought Trump’s suggestion for what should be done was fanciful and highly unlikely, but this can’t go on as it has with Palestinians, acting as Iran’s proxies, starting one war after another, always getting the shit kicked out of them because they can’t take an orange and make orange juice. Much less a lemon and make lemonade. I think Lee Smith has it pretty close to spot on.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/end-of-palestine
“Here is the stark reality: Gazans, not just the enlisted members of the Hamas brigades, waged an exterminationist campaign against Israel, and they lost. At virtually any other time in history, save the last 75 years, they would be lucky to lose only territory and not have their legend and language permanently deleted from the book of the living.
Trump’s generous offer to the Gazans therefore signals a return to history, but with a twist. Trump has not only spared them, but vowed to provide them with new lives, better lives, work, new homes, a chance to raise their families in peace, an existence not premised on total and permanent war with a more powerful adversary destined to rout them entirely, and would have already done so if not for the objections of other powerful global players.
Trump, in his innovative mercy, has offered to save the Palestinian people from their own history, and give them a new idea to live by. They should thank their maker for the chance to start anew—and give thanks as well to the American president, who realistically promises them a better future, backed by U.S. global power. Given the repeated failure of the multi-decade-long dream of eliminating and replacing the Jews of Israel, it seems unlikely that the Palestinians will receive a better offer.”
Effectively, they have made themselves, Diaspora. They keep FAFO’ing. With the fall of Assad, the Palestinians have lost a land bridge for arms and war making supplies from Iran. Gazans have finally been ‘overtaken by events’, mainly decades of FAFO’ing.
Holy shit! Are you real? You must have drank gallons of the Kool Aid to actually believe that much less express it. The myth that Israel was just unoccupied wasteland is one of the greatest lies in history. A homeland was stolen and the world just stood by. Our propaganda machine has insured people like you will never be capable of seeing the truth. The truth is a homeland was stolen and its occupants brutalized. Try doing some honest research.
Try learning some real history. I didn’t say Israel was an empty wasteland. Jews were there. Large numbers of them. No homeland was stolen. One was created. I’m real. You real? How far is that 1970’s stoner lingo getting you. “Are you real?” Look, did you read the piece by Lee Smith. He’s a “real” journalist and author. If you’re objecting to my quote from his article, take it up with him. He makes a lot of good points. Go publish a responding piece. Maybe on some place like Substack. You can start your intro paragraph: “Holy shit! Are you real?”
I’ll go Peter one better.
ARE YOU FOR MOTHERFUCKING REAL? 😁
People like him are not even worth responding to. All it does is aggravate you. They only serve the purpose of driving home how truly ignorant our education/propaganda system is.
Peter, I know… but the bitch in me just can’t let it go 😉
👍👍👍
So I read Lee Smith, and all he does is make opinionated pronouncements, where I was expecting some detailed history. I'm far more inclined to believe Jews native to Israel, who recognized and were so appalled by the racism implicit in seeing their Arab neighbors displaced for no valid reason that they were forced to reject Zionism -- have you read Miko Peled's, "The General's Son." That, my friend, is source material from the horse;'s mouth, not some BS from an observer with an apparent axe to grind. And in defense of gypsy, I myself am first-generation, my parents here from Italy early 20th Century. And when they restore Manhattan to its original inhabitants (HA), I'll fucking rejoice as they demolish those monuments to disaster capitalism, which already stole my parents house under eminent domain for peanuts in 1974 -- to build a police station as my dad lay in Florida recovering from a stroke. You think I give a fuck? Think again. And get a fucking grip on the reality as Miko's mom described it. Jews, Christians, Muslims lived in Palestine as neighbors, until Zionists couldn't bear the thought that any sort of social order could be valid other than that described in a set of ancient fucking FABLES. Unimaginably sick shit.
Well said, Vin! Your knowledge and eloquence always impressed me.
I have a bit of the Italian myself, being Mediterranean 🙂
Couldn't help myself, gypsy, My Brooklyn street hackles popped up bigtime at this bullshit about large numbers of Jews being there, as if no one else was; plus ignoring the fact that most of the ultimate Jewish inhabitants, including Mr. Satanyahu, were Askenazics from Ukraine, Poland etc.; hardly native. And the 1970's stoner lingo comment got my Dago blood really boiling. Would like to see my 1970 self greet his 1970 self on a Brooklyn street. We'd see what the outcome of that confrontation would yield. No bullshit artist allowed in my old neighborhood without confrontation.
Uhhhuh. I just bet you are a real Luca Brasi type. I can tell. Ex college professor and all. Romans. Perhaps the biggest colonizers in all of world history, one of whom now complains that there weren’t enough Jews in old Palestine or old Judaea to justify Israel. Of course, the Romans have quite a history with the Jews in Judaea, right? Your historical hatred, Dago blood boiling and all, showing a bit? You can give your NY Brooklyn tough hackles rest. From one old man to another. I’m Scotch Irish.
Meaning, you’re not REAL Irish. Your ancestors were sent by the British to occupy Northern Ireland. Fuckin’ Proddie colonizers!
Well, since the beginning of Mankind, we’re all colonizers.
I don't know. Luca Brasi tendencies perhaps when I hung out on the streets as a teen, but I think those have evaporated with the breakdown of my body. Those postures require energy I don't have any longer. Yeah maybe the dago blood boil comes from Rome via Mussolini and all deluded pseudo-conquistadors. It's a quandary. My neighborhood gang was an interesting mix of Dagos, Micks and Polish Jews, but that's NYC; growing up multicultural.
Ok. I can respect that. Thanks.
Vin, your comment literally made me laugh out loud… I love it!
Us Flintstones take no bullshit either! I may be a country hick now, but it’s something I had to learn; I wasn’t born that way. I too have the Mediterranean temperament and I just cannot let shit go!
You can take the girl outta Flint, but ya can’t take Flint outta the girl 😉
Similar experience when I arrived in NM. I had to learn to modulate my approach to bullshitters because folks took immediate offense to my direct manner, which they described to management as aggressive. Poor pampered babies, I thought, while learning to get along for the sake of better cooperative working conditions. "Sorry, it's just my NYC style," I'd apologize. But I was always a bit resentful that they couldn't distinguish directness from aggression. Ultimately, a good lesson for me in the age-old truth that resentment is the poison we drink expecting the other person to die.
Put down the crack pipe, MFer.
You don’t know SHIT about the history of Palestine, stolen from its original inhabitants by an Amerikkkan -backed U.N. resolution. It’s THEIR LAND: WTF don’t you get about that?
I saw a great meme on YouTube. An elderly Palestinian man was sitting on the ruins of his home. He said, quote, “This is worth more to me than everything you have in America”.
Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, cause the Pals ain’t goin’ NOWHERE.
I don’t take anyone using the word “Amerikkkan” seriously. Neither should you.
Btw, out of curiosity. What “land” are you sittin on cowgirl? Is it yours? Or a Native American tribe’s? Have you thought that through yet?
I don’t give a flyin’ fuck if you don’t take “Amerikkka” seriously.
Though I have Mohawk DNA, I reside on Chippewa land. I honor them every day by ecological land practices on my farm and I frequently visit a nearby sacred burial ground to thank them and tell them that their memory will never die. While I realize that’s insufficient MY parents had no part in the genocide of Native Americans; I am first-generation on my father’s side, and second on my mother’s.
Don’t fuck with cowgirls if ya know what’s good for ya. We pack pistols, both actual and verbal.
😁
Love it. I live in a Metis community. More people should try listening to the downtrodden or maybe walking in their shoes. For the record I am white. While I grew up in the '60's I have never touched any type of drug. I won't even take prescription drugs. While most people don't live this lifestyle I believe for me it keeps my mind sharp and allows me to see a lot that many don't.
Métis community. Got it. But why are indigenous native community members downtrodden in any community you’re living in? Not enough intermarriage with their colonizers? I don’t get why they are, as you say, downtrodden. You wanna walk in their shoes. But not live in them. That it? It will be hard responding cuz you’d have to stop patting yourself on your back. Astonishing. The level of self righteousness on display.
I think you are the self righteous moron here. These are my friends and neighbours in a community that believes in helping each other. I guarantee you won't find or offer too much help involving your neighbours. Also, many of them are financially better off than we are so that line of bullshit scores no points with me. The downtrodden part is the shit they went through to get to where they are arriving at today. There are engineers, doctors, lawyers and other professionals coming out of these communities now as they learn the value of education.
At the county recorder’s office, is the land title in your name or some Mohawk or Chippewa? If some Chippewa shows up on your doorstep and tells you, “Leave now you damn colonizer!”, are you gonna skedaddle? It’s nice that your mommy and daddy made good for you on Chippewa land. Your pride in stating that your parents had nothing to do with what you call the genocide of Native Americans is an accident of your place on a timeline of history, perhaps 100 years? In Israel, there too are Jews living on land whose parents had nothing to do with what happened in 1947-49. Or today. You’re not so fussy about your land title history, but ever so fussy about land in Israel while not knowing very much of the Jews history there. That history certainly outpaces and has outlasted yours and your parents in Amerikkka.
If the Amerikkkan government ever said EVERYBODY OUT! WE’RE GIVING THE CONTINENT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL INHABITANTS!
I’d pack up and go to my father’s homeland, a tiny place where the sun shines and YOU would never be able to find on a map.
But that.goes for everyone else too.
Show Israelis the same respect until the Israeli government says the same thing. They won’t. And neither will the USA. So you’re conveniently safe now.