{I don't remember Hamas warning Jewish people before they came in and slaughtered them one by one. Israel merely wants to put an end to Hamas.}
I don't want to get involved in your argument but you are aware that it has been confirmed that the vast majority of Israel's who perished on October 7th were actually shot and killed by the IDF. My point is you cannot possibly compare the number of people that died on October 7th to the THOUSANDS of people that are currently being murdered daily in Gaza! The fact of the matter is we all know there is so much more to all of this then what is being presented - Israel's security does not fail.
There is such a larger picture at stake here even the experts are not sure about anything! Some say it was deliberate so the US could start a war with Iran! The possibilities right now are innumerable. The other side of that coin is that it's been reported (although I can't find the article or video) the IDF actually wound up killing a large percentage of Israel's on that day.
There's been some really great interviews which back up what you're saying - although they also say Iran will not get involved with this war and did not know about October 7th nor did they plan it. Charlie Rose just did two excellent interviews - which I highly recommend to all
You couldn't be more right on everything you just said. I too do not own a tv nor have I for over 25 years I too also spend my life reading Substack and a few others!! It is truly unfathomable that everything barrels down to money! How much human life needs to be shed so this scum in Washington can continue to prosper from the Jewish donations? The best was Tulsi Gabbard who instead of defending Israel outright she went on a tangent against Hamas There are no words to describe the world today how we have no regard for human life none whatsoever - I'd love to see them accept the donations from the Jews with a picture of the children that have been murdered! How do you possibly do that? How could you possibly accept money let alone support Israel? Just so you can stay in office? How is it not one of them can stand up to them? At this point I'm all for wiping Israel off the map!
I’ve heard this, saw the original quote, and found no evidence this even remotely true. The interview that started this rumor was about five hostages caught in the crossfire between IDF and Hamas. The man only said that some of them may have been hit by the IDF, but it was only an answer to whether it was possible. It was not a certain fact, even among those five. I have found no other evidence online that indicates the majority of the people that died were killed by the IDF. This seems like a rather ridiculous claim anyways given that we know the brutal nature of Hamas, because they filmed it.
I agree with you but in this case it's true. I too beleive nothing without ironclad evidence but the article I was reading stated unequivocally it was true - they listed 4 prominent people that verified it. One MAY HAVE actually been Joe Biden but the others were very prominent. Please forgive me for not supplying the article as I spend my life reading and now I can't recall where I read it! I don't own a TV and only read reputable sources. But I remember thinking, now we know it is true! I don't know if one of them may have also been Colonel Macgregor. There was also an Israel woman that was interviewed elsewhere - she too I beleive was at the concert. In fact maybe that's how the story came to fruition. They asked them to verify it! And the irony is if you try and Google it of course nothing comes back hence the further probability. According to everything I read the order came down to shoot and kill everyone in order to stop Hamas.
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I just tried searching my read emails and still can't find it. When and if I do find it I'll re-post it! I'm wondering if it may've been an interview. It could be Charlie Rose. I'm going to rewatch his interview with Dr. Abbas Milani
None of these were where I initially read it but at least it's the same - the IDF was responsible for many of the deaths on October 7th. One of the articles I read stated they actually killed more than Hamas did.
A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza in order to repulse Hamas fighters who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.
These reports indicate that orders came down from the military’s high command to attack homes and other areas inside Israel, even at the cost of many Israeli lives.
An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.
As David Sheen and Ali Abunimah reported in Electronic Intifada, Porat described “very, very heavy crossfire” and Israeli tank shelling, which led to many casualties among Israelis.
While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”
She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us.”
According to Haaretz, the army was only able to restore control over Be’eri after admittedly “shelling” the homes of Israelis who had been taken captive.
“The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri residents were killed,” the paper chronicled. “Others were kidnapped. Eleven days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”
Much of the shelling in Be’eri was carried out by Israeli tank crews. As a reporter for the Israeli Foreign Ministry-sponsored outlet i24 noted during a visit to Be’eri, “small and quaint homes [were] bombarded or destroyed,” and “well-maintained lawns [were] ripped up by the tracks of an armored vehicle, perhaps a tank.”
Apache attack helicopters also figured heavily in the Israeli military’s response on October 7. Pilots have told Israeli media they scrambled to the battlefield without any intelligence, unable to differentiate between Hamas fighters and Israeli noncombatants, and yet determined to “empty the belly” of their war machines. “I find myself in a dilemma as to what to shoot at, because there are so many of them,” one Apache pilot commented.
Video filmed by Hamas gunmen makes it clear they intentionally shot many Israelis with Kalashnikov rifles on October 7. However, the Israeli government has not been content to rely on verified video evidence.
Instead, it continues to push discredited claims of “beheaded babies” while distributing photographs of “bodies burned beyond recognition” to insist that gunmen sadistically immolated their captives, and even raped some before torching them alive.
The objective behind Tel Aviv’s atrocity exhibition is clear: to paint Hamas as “worse than ISIS” while cultivating support for the Israeli army’s ongoing bombardment of the Gaza Strip, which has left over 7000 dead, including at least 2500 children. While hundreds of wounded children in Gaza have been treated for what a surgeon described as “fourth degree burns” caused by novel weapons, the Western media’s focus remains trained on Israeli citizens claiming they were “burned alive” on October 7.
Yet the mounting evidence of friendly fire orders handed down by Israeli army commanders strongly suggests that at least some of the most jarring images of charred Israeli corpses, Israeli homes reduced to rubble and burned out hulks of vehicles presented to Western media were, in fact, the handiwork of tank crews and helicopter pilots blanketing Israeli territory with shells, cannon fire and Hellfire missiles.
Indeed, it appears that on October 7, Israel’s military resorted to the same tactics it has employed against civilians in Gaza, driving up the death toll of its own citizens with the indiscriminate use of heavy weapons.
I find it incredulous because the IDF was absent for hours after the attack began. Small bands of soldiers drove down to fight Hamas as they heard the news, but the more significant military response came much later. Many of the first responders were looking for their own families, yet another reason I do not believe they were firing indiscriminately into crowds. I think that some innocent Israelis were likely caught in the crossfire by the end of it all. Some of the witness testimony I have read indicates this to be the case, likely the rumor's origin.
There is no way the IDF was commanded to shoot so many civilians that it outnumbered the Hamas' total victims. Something that far-fetched would require ironclad evidence, and the big news companies would eat that up all day for the ratings. You can't find it because it doesn't exist. What you read was likely fabricated unless you saw those words coming out of Biden's mouth. And if you can understand Biden's speech, it is probably an AI version of Biden anyway ;-)
{I don't remember Hamas warning Jewish people before they came in and slaughtered them one by one. Israel merely wants to put an end to Hamas.}
I don't want to get involved in your argument but you are aware that it has been confirmed that the vast majority of Israel's who perished on October 7th were actually shot and killed by the IDF. My point is you cannot possibly compare the number of people that died on October 7th to the THOUSANDS of people that are currently being murdered daily in Gaza! The fact of the matter is we all know there is so much more to all of this then what is being presented - Israel's security does not fail.
As I keep repeating:
Hamas has worked WITH Israel twice.
Israel were warned by Egypt and Jordan that this was coming.
Since Israel is so well armed why were Hamas not stopped?
There is such a larger picture at stake here even the experts are not sure about anything! Some say it was deliberate so the US could start a war with Iran! The possibilities right now are innumerable. The other side of that coin is that it's been reported (although I can't find the article or video) the IDF actually wound up killing a large percentage of Israel's on that day.
Please everyone stop using acronyms. It does not help people to understand. I believe this is a ploy by Govt. to misdirect us.
Spell the words out.
The whole world is NOT American.
YES. I do believe this concerning Iran.
One thing the Americans don't know about Iran is:
They are well educated. They know their History.
I expect Biden to announce war against Iran any day.
The Persian people were scholars/artists/thinkers.
33BC
There's been some really great interviews which back up what you're saying - although they also say Iran will not get involved with this war and did not know about October 7th nor did they plan it. Charlie Rose just did two excellent interviews - which I highly recommend to all
https://charlierose.substack.com/p/dr-abbas-milani?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=348871&post_id=138501938&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=n3tj&utm_medium=email
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https://charlierose.substack.com/p/ehud-barak?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=348871&post_id=138527207&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=n3tj&utm_medium=email
Thanks for this reply.
I am not optimistic.
I do not have a TV or 'phone. I rely on substack and French news. + The Guardian (which by the way took a huge HIT )in England from false info.
The Guardian is no slouch.
As for Iran:
Joe Biden is losing in the polls.
To my mind this will mean war. IF the US takes on Iran they will lose.
Americans know no World History this is why it has become a defunct super power.
The 'sheep elite liberals' who still vote Biden are the biggest problem for the US
Eventually Europe will 'grow a spine.'
At present we have Marine Le Pen and believe me compared to American facists she is centre right.
One of the best things about French politics is: Separation of Religion and state.
After all the Religious Wars we will NEVER bow down to Religion.
Having said this. I wonder why Nuns are able to wear their nun's clothing while denying French Muslims (in schools) to wear headscarves.
We are all confused by our Governments.
It seems we are heading towards annihilation of the Earth.
I really am so tired and exhausted of fighting the right to live our lives.
You couldn't be more right on everything you just said. I too do not own a tv nor have I for over 25 years I too also spend my life reading Substack and a few others!! It is truly unfathomable that everything barrels down to money! How much human life needs to be shed so this scum in Washington can continue to prosper from the Jewish donations? The best was Tulsi Gabbard who instead of defending Israel outright she went on a tangent against Hamas There are no words to describe the world today how we have no regard for human life none whatsoever - I'd love to see them accept the donations from the Jews with a picture of the children that have been murdered! How do you possibly do that? How could you possibly accept money let alone support Israel? Just so you can stay in office? How is it not one of them can stand up to them? At this point I'm all for wiping Israel off the map!
I’ve heard this, saw the original quote, and found no evidence this even remotely true. The interview that started this rumor was about five hostages caught in the crossfire between IDF and Hamas. The man only said that some of them may have been hit by the IDF, but it was only an answer to whether it was possible. It was not a certain fact, even among those five. I have found no other evidence online that indicates the majority of the people that died were killed by the IDF. This seems like a rather ridiculous claim anyways given that we know the brutal nature of Hamas, because they filmed it.
I agree with you but in this case it's true. I too beleive nothing without ironclad evidence but the article I was reading stated unequivocally it was true - they listed 4 prominent people that verified it. One MAY HAVE actually been Joe Biden but the others were very prominent. Please forgive me for not supplying the article as I spend my life reading and now I can't recall where I read it! I don't own a TV and only read reputable sources. But I remember thinking, now we know it is true! I don't know if one of them may have also been Colonel Macgregor. There was also an Israel woman that was interviewed elsewhere - she too I beleive was at the concert. In fact maybe that's how the story came to fruition. They asked them to verify it! And the irony is if you try and Google it of course nothing comes back hence the further probability. According to everything I read the order came down to shoot and kill everyone in order to stop Hamas.
On an unrelated note, if you want a search engine better than Google that doesn't manipulate your searches, censor results, track your activity, or try to force "relevant" ads on you, check out https://kagi.com. It is a paid search engine, but you can get 100 free searches when you sign up without a Credit Card. Test it out. I can never go back to Google now. Unlimited searches are $10/month if you end up liking it.
I just tried searching my read emails and still can't find it. When and if I do find it I'll re-post it! I'm wondering if it may've been an interview. It could be Charlie Rose. I'm going to rewatch his interview with Dr. Abbas Milani
None of these were where I initially read it but at least it's the same - the IDF was responsible for many of the deaths on October 7th. One of the articles I read stated they actually killed more than Hamas did.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/06/what-we-are-not-hearing-about-oct-7/?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=042c68ce-968a-4839-8aac-5480237c5aa5
Remember I told you there was a woman that gave an interview?
https://sana.sy/en/?p=319235
A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza in order to repulse Hamas fighters who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.
These reports indicate that orders came down from the military’s high command to attack homes and other areas inside Israel, even at the cost of many Israeli lives.
An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.
As David Sheen and Ali Abunimah reported in Electronic Intifada, Porat described “very, very heavy crossfire” and Israeli tank shelling, which led to many casualties among Israelis.
While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”
She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us.”
According to Haaretz, the army was only able to restore control over Be’eri after admittedly “shelling” the homes of Israelis who had been taken captive.
“The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri residents were killed,” the paper chronicled. “Others were kidnapped. Eleven days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”
Much of the shelling in Be’eri was carried out by Israeli tank crews. As a reporter for the Israeli Foreign Ministry-sponsored outlet i24 noted during a visit to Be’eri, “small and quaint homes [were] bombarded or destroyed,” and “well-maintained lawns [were] ripped up by the tracks of an armored vehicle, perhaps a tank.”
Apache attack helicopters also figured heavily in the Israeli military’s response on October 7. Pilots have told Israeli media they scrambled to the battlefield without any intelligence, unable to differentiate between Hamas fighters and Israeli noncombatants, and yet determined to “empty the belly” of their war machines. “I find myself in a dilemma as to what to shoot at, because there are so many of them,” one Apache pilot commented.
Video filmed by Hamas gunmen makes it clear they intentionally shot many Israelis with Kalashnikov rifles on October 7. However, the Israeli government has not been content to rely on verified video evidence.
Instead, it continues to push discredited claims of “beheaded babies” while distributing photographs of “bodies burned beyond recognition” to insist that gunmen sadistically immolated their captives, and even raped some before torching them alive.
The objective behind Tel Aviv’s atrocity exhibition is clear: to paint Hamas as “worse than ISIS” while cultivating support for the Israeli army’s ongoing bombardment of the Gaza Strip, which has left over 7000 dead, including at least 2500 children. While hundreds of wounded children in Gaza have been treated for what a surgeon described as “fourth degree burns” caused by novel weapons, the Western media’s focus remains trained on Israeli citizens claiming they were “burned alive” on October 7.
Yet the mounting evidence of friendly fire orders handed down by Israeli army commanders strongly suggests that at least some of the most jarring images of charred Israeli corpses, Israeli homes reduced to rubble and burned out hulks of vehicles presented to Western media were, in fact, the handiwork of tank crews and helicopter pilots blanketing Israeli territory with shells, cannon fire and Hellfire missiles.
Indeed, it appears that on October 7, Israel’s military resorted to the same tactics it has employed against civilians in Gaza, driving up the death toll of its own citizens with the indiscriminate use of heavy weapons.
This is not where I read it - in fact I'm thinking it may've been an interview with Col Macgregor but nonetheless - at least you can see it.
https://middleeastobserver.org/2023/10/29/new-evidence-that-idf-shelled-israeli-citizens-on-oct-7-killing-over-a-hundred/
I find it incredulous because the IDF was absent for hours after the attack began. Small bands of soldiers drove down to fight Hamas as they heard the news, but the more significant military response came much later. Many of the first responders were looking for their own families, yet another reason I do not believe they were firing indiscriminately into crowds. I think that some innocent Israelis were likely caught in the crossfire by the end of it all. Some of the witness testimony I have read indicates this to be the case, likely the rumor's origin.
There is no way the IDF was commanded to shoot so many civilians that it outnumbered the Hamas' total victims. Something that far-fetched would require ironclad evidence, and the big news companies would eat that up all day for the ratings. You can't find it because it doesn't exist. What you read was likely fabricated unless you saw those words coming out of Biden's mouth. And if you can understand Biden's speech, it is probably an AI version of Biden anyway ;-)