i think it is kinda sad that you do not value step 1 (just stop bombing) of the plan as much. it's probably one of the things that makes us 'different', for now.
'Firstly': you know of the nakba and everything that has been going on in israel/palestine since 1948 (and probably before). let's project in the other direction. if you condone the ethnic cleansing of a territory in such a way, and continue with unwavering support after that (throughout all the episodes of 'mowing the lawn' and settler expansion, you (i.c. the us) reward israel's behaviour.
i disagree that the hostages hamas has are not being held for just cause. regarding babies, i think it is necessary to provide sources as people might easily assume one is spreading atrocity propaganda.
i do not understand in what way israel would have to agree or disagree with any policy decisions that are made in the us. did bibi mind when the us and eu questioned his judicial reforms or the settler policies? (you probably are familiar with the video of bibi explaining how the us can be 'handled'). 'popular support' for israel in the us is probably entirely manufactured.
maybe palestinians changed their minds about negotiations for a viable palestinian state. let's try again (and maybe start from 1948, when things went awry. from this pov palestinians will seem extremely compromising).
israel is achieving this 'insincere' 'right to return' quasi every day. they raze palestinian homes and evict palestinians from houses in jerusalem and let israeli settlers steal them (you've seen the videos). if israel would actually agree to a palestinian 'right to return' (and keeping in mind settler building frenzy), you'd be amazed how quick israelis who lost their homes supposedly in retaliation to the 1948 nakba would get them back (although i think they are happier in israel now).
it indeed allows everyone to rightfully point at israel as the bad guy, but pointing someone out as the bad guy is not meant to keep the status quo, it is meant to make the bad guy repent and change his ways.
as much as i enjoy these online discussions, i'll have to leave it at this. gotta dash off to the next pro-palestine protest movement meeting.
i think it is kinda sad that you do not value step 1 (just stop bombing) of the plan as much. it's probably one of the things that makes us 'different', for now.
'Firstly': you know of the nakba and everything that has been going on in israel/palestine since 1948 (and probably before). let's project in the other direction. if you condone the ethnic cleansing of a territory in such a way, and continue with unwavering support after that (throughout all the episodes of 'mowing the lawn' and settler expansion, you (i.c. the us) reward israel's behaviour.
i disagree that the hostages hamas has are not being held for just cause. regarding babies, i think it is necessary to provide sources as people might easily assume one is spreading atrocity propaganda.
i do not understand in what way israel would have to agree or disagree with any policy decisions that are made in the us. did bibi mind when the us and eu questioned his judicial reforms or the settler policies? (you probably are familiar with the video of bibi explaining how the us can be 'handled'). 'popular support' for israel in the us is probably entirely manufactured.
maybe palestinians changed their minds about negotiations for a viable palestinian state. let's try again (and maybe start from 1948, when things went awry. from this pov palestinians will seem extremely compromising).
israel is achieving this 'insincere' 'right to return' quasi every day. they raze palestinian homes and evict palestinians from houses in jerusalem and let israeli settlers steal them (you've seen the videos). if israel would actually agree to a palestinian 'right to return' (and keeping in mind settler building frenzy), you'd be amazed how quick israelis who lost their homes supposedly in retaliation to the 1948 nakba would get them back (although i think they are happier in israel now).
it indeed allows everyone to rightfully point at israel as the bad guy, but pointing someone out as the bad guy is not meant to keep the status quo, it is meant to make the bad guy repent and change his ways.
as much as i enjoy these online discussions, i'll have to leave it at this. gotta dash off to the next pro-palestine protest movement meeting.