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Chang Chokaski's avatar

There is significant difference between Russia/Ukraine coverage and Israel/Palestine coverage.

Russia/Ukraine = white on white violence/war

Israel/Palestine = white on non-white violence/war (i.e. racist element)

- Russians, Ukrainians, and Israelis are considered HUMAN, while Palestinians are considered SUB-HUMAN.

- Russia/Ukraine is NOT a genocide, while Israel/Palestine IS.

- Russia/Ukraine propaganda/lies are limited in scope (i.e. against Russians only), whereas the propaganda & lies are much more extensive when it comes to Israel/Palestine (includes propaganda/lies against MANY Muslim nations - Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran)

These are just some of the many factors that are different in the coverage & propaganda of the two conflicts.

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El dragon's avatar

Westerners have visceral hatred of the Russians. Particularly the U.K. elite. In the words of one of the retired U.S. generals recently, they are "animals." What do you think the Anglo-Saxon would like to do to the "animals?"

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Are you seriously comparing hatred against Russians with hatred against colored people (especially in the Middle-East) ? Are you comparing hatred against Russians with the Islamophobia in the West (including in Russia)?

You need a reality check...

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El dragon's avatar

"Islamophobia" in Russia, when Chechen fighters and their leaders are at the forefront of the SMO. Why do you think the Global South overwhelmingly supports Russia? Because the War in the M.E. and the proxy war against Russia are inseparable.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Because the War in the M.E. and the proxy war against Russia are inseparable."

Nope, they are two different vectors of US Empire global capitalism and imperialism. Ever since I can remember, there has ALWAYS been conflict between the US and Russia (later Soviet Unioin, then Russia again). Again - this is white-on-white territory. When it comes to the Middle-East or China or India or Africa or South America, etc. - the dynamics change. A racial element is added.

The Global South is against the US Empire. Since Russia is also against the US Empire, Russia and the Global South are aligned for the moment against a common enemy.

Do you even know enough MENA (Middle East North Africa) history? Do you know Russia's history of imperialism and colonialism efforts in the MENA?

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El dragon's avatar

The Soviet Union was actively supporting all anti-colonial freedom movements throughout Africa, ME, and Asia. If you are talking about the Imperial Russia of the 1800's, remember they got defeated in World War I and finally in the Civil War of 1917. Every country has skeletons in their closets. We are talking about belligerent parties at this moment. 

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"The Soviet Union was actively supporting all anti-colonial freedom movements throughout Africa, ME, and Asia."

??? Seriously? Have you been brainwashed/indoctrinated with Russian propaganda?

(1) https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/5/24/how-russia-tried-to-colonise-africa-and-failed

(2) https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/1/24/how-western-scholars-overlooked-russian-imperialism

Here's a suggestion: do a search on Russian imperialism and colonization (then narrow it down to Africa, Middle-East, etc.)

Read up on what you find.

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russian_bot's avatar

"Ever since I can remember, there has ALWAYS been conflict between the US and Russia" - since when would it be? are you claiming to be a 500-yr old mohel like orestes vasquez DBA crumpledforeskin freak?

what was it like in 1800s? what do you know about Russian Alaska and Russian California? About Russia's support of the US founding?

what a fucking blowhard you are chokaski.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

"Ever since I can remember" signifies my lifetime - not the complete timeline of human history.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

What does the acronym SMO stand for?

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El dragon's avatar

Special Military Operation

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russian_bot's avatar

what the fuck are you babbling about?

are you familiar with ukrainians' treatment of donbass people (russians and ukrainians)? do you know terminology? do you know the dishes served in kiev restaurants "made of" internals of "colorados" as they call donbass people? among many other dehumanizing terms like orks etc?

do you speak/read russian, ignoramus dimwit chokaski?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

russian_bot -> as I've said before, you are a One-Trick Russian-Pony™ who wouldn't even be on this substack were it not for Russia. Obviously, you are incapable of having a conversation without ad-hominem attacks.

Treatment of Russians by Ukrainians AND treatment of Ukrainians by Russians (yes, it goes BOTH ways) pales in comparison to the treatment of Palestinians, Arabs, and other Muslims by Israelis.

If you don't see a difference, then I'm afraid you aren't looking hard enough.

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russian_bot's avatar

"AND treatment of Ukrainians by Russians (yes, it goes BOTH ways)" - what the fuck are you babbling about again?

spreading western propaganda and shilling for the establishment. not the first time chokaski. not saying you do it necessarily on purpose, just from being stupid.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Again, you seem to be a One-Trick Russian-Pony™. Do you think that Ukrainians have also not been discriminated against by Russians at all? Do you think only Russians have been discriminated against? There has been bad-blood between the two ethnically-close people for centuries. Discrimination is bound to run both ways over such a long period of time. If you think it's ONLY a one-way thing then you are as biased as the American point of view (except in reverse).

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russian_bot's avatar

next thing you're going to bring up is "holodomor".

shilling for the western establishment chokaski. not the first time.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

No, I won't bring up Holodomor - I'm in agreement with you on that.

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russian_bot's avatar

you've shown yourself an ignorant buffoon chokaski as soon as you appeared here not long after you created your substack account. you deserve all the mocking you get and this is the latest one where you stepped into it.

As to the genocide in Donbass - this is Putin long after it's been talked about by all since 2014. He was forced to state it publicly on Jan 26, 2024: https://www.rt.com/russia/591346-ukraine-genocide-donbass-putin/

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Again, if you don't see a difference between the treatment of Russians/Ukrainians (whites) and the treatment of non-whites by Israel, then you aren't looking hard enough.

The difference is so huge that it is impossible to miss (unless of course one is incredibly biased and has multiple blind-spots). Simply looking at the media coverage is enough for anyone to understand this.

Also, why do you bring up Russia here when the focus is on Israel/Palestine? Like I said before, you are a One-Trick Russian-Pony™.

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russian_bot's avatar

pighead up to 11, that's chokaski goto mode when it's left with nothing to say on substance.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Still ad-hominem attacks? No logical follow-through?

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