Greenwald is certainly no longer of “the left.” He is a good critic of the MIC but has lost his moorings on economics:
“I would describe a lot of people on the right as being socialist. I would consider Steve Bannon to be socialist. I would consider the 2016 iteration of Donald Trump the candidate to be a socialist, based on what he was saying. I would consider Tucker Carlson to be a socialist.”
I haven't heard Greenwald on Tucker, or on sub-stack discuss economics. As far an Greenwald not being on the left. well, I guess that can only be determined how one defines what the left is since it's almost taken on a whole new meaning in recent years. How do you define a socialist since I would not apply that term to any people you mentioned.
Greenwald claims all of those people as socialists. They are not socialists. Leftism hasn’t really changed its definitions much, though tensions between the socialists who want more state control and the anarchists who prefer more individual freedom goes back and forth, with the statists being more popular currently.
From Wikipedia, which is as good a source as any:
“Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[1] Left-wing politics are also associated with popular or state control of major political and economic institutions.[5] According to emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark, left-wing supporters "claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated."[6]
A socialist is someone who wants more or exclusive control of the means of production in the hands of the state and supports policies that push in that direction. Tax cuts for the rich do not qualify as socialist programs.
Greenwald was on Tucker Carlson tonight and what was discussed was all the money we're sending to Ukraine, which is no democracy at all, and never was. We're sending all this money to enrich the military industrial complex, and to follow through on a neocon agenda hoping to weaken Russia and oust Putin, and all the while not giving a good god damn about the people of this country, many of whom could use what where sending to Ukraine. There will always be a hierarchy in this country, but we have to work toward creating less of a divide so that all people will have a place to live, food, medical coverage and an opportunity for upward mobility. You are playing with labels. I don't care socialist, left-wing-supporters, leftist.
Being anti-imperialism and anti-war are things that I like about him. Him supporting Trump? Not so much.
I am literally quoting the definition of leftism here. Greenwald is no socialist, very far from it. I don't dislike that about him but I am being honest here.
I don't think Greenwald really fits into a neat box.
I agree that everyone should have a place to live, food, medical coverage and upward mobility! It sounds like we have a lot in common politically.
I didn't support a number of Trump's policies but I did support him in the sense that I thought the democrats came across like a bunch of autocrats in thinking they had every right to lie him out of office. They used every dirty trick in the book to do it. Their Jan 6 comm is a total joke. They acted in a way I perceived was far more dangerous then anything Trump did, and too bad we didn't listen when he said, "What's wrong with getting along with Russia." They thought they could use any means necessary, legal or not, to oust him from office, and operated in complicity with the deep state to do it. The degree to which the media was in complicity with them put on display that they are nothing more then money making rag sheets.
"They thought they could use any means necessary, legal or not, to oust him from office, and operated in complicity with the deep state to do it."
Very well put. This is one of the core mindsets right now with the American Elites in power. They are willing to do anything, no matter what, if it fits into their ideological belief system. And that only leads to more severe problems down the road. Introduce censorship? And then a new autocrat comes alone and you yourself become censored. Introduce prison labor? Soon your prisons will be filled with cheap labor where half your prisoners never had a real trial, but I working for $20 a month. Fuck with the electoral system, soon the entire election process becomes a well known farce. Continually disseminate false stories on CNN - soon your network becomes a well known joke to the populace.
Push out propaganda that the world is only black and white, Us versus Them, and soon enough you will become the Them on the wrong side of history. Joe Biden is a walking, talking corrupt joke of a president. The US presidency has become indistinguishable to a walking imbecile puppet for the MIC and the Elites who are running our government with 1400 page budget legislation that no one in office ever reads or produces. It's all a clown show at this point - a clown show of exploitation and plunder in the billions.
Glenn has a new show on Rumble and has covered free speech constantly. If you consider free speech a right wing issue like many so called leftists, i guess you're onto something. But Glenn is more into anti war and civil liberties. Taking a quote out of context does not speak much unless you're on a smear campaign.
I like his support of free speech and being anti-war. Lots of libertarians are both of those things and I agree with them on it. It doesn't make them "leftists" unless you are playing footsie with the definition.
I'm not making claims to his team membership... just the issues he deals in.. and unlike right wing libertarians he has no free market ideologies.. in fact he was a Bernie bro like many of us..
you are a distraction. Wikipedia? really? for definitions? name-calling is very kindergarten as are your comments. Socialist, communist etc. in the media no longer has any meaning except to be off putting - such name-calling serves the same purpose as "conspiracy theoriest.> I suspect someone is paying you to spout this nonsense. the CIA perhaps?
Don't know, but I have always liked him. He maintains, unlike most in the field of journalism, journalistic standards. They are few and far between. Too often they let their biases slip in and distort reality.
I think the vision is, you know, you have this kind of right-wing populism, which really is socialism, that says we should close our borders, not allow unconstrained immigration, and then take better care of our own working-class people and not allow this kind of transnational, global, corporatist elite to take everything for themselves under the guise of neoliberalism.”
Well, then I'm a socialist. We don't have to close our borders. We didn't close them along our coastal borders, but we did implement requirements in order for people to come into this country, not to mention ask questions. What Biden is doing now is reckless, and no doubt his intent is not one derived from good will. I'm unclear as to what you are trying to say in regard to my response to Ms Johnston's article.
But yeah I should give Tucker Carlson a listen. His constant berating of mainstream Democrats as “socialists” is a little hard to stomach. He is bombastic and hyperbolic in general. I will give him another listen and try to be more open to what he is trying to say.
He never was on "the left". I got into a debate with him when he had his blog - he supported Citizen's United and the whole concept of corporate free speech. He also attacked government regulation of corporate power on related legal and political grounds.
Greenwald is certainly no longer of “the left.” He is a good critic of the MIC but has lost his moorings on economics:
“I would describe a lot of people on the right as being socialist. I would consider Steve Bannon to be socialist. I would consider the 2016 iteration of Donald Trump the candidate to be a socialist, based on what he was saying. I would consider Tucker Carlson to be a socialist.”
I haven't heard Greenwald on Tucker, or on sub-stack discuss economics. As far an Greenwald not being on the left. well, I guess that can only be determined how one defines what the left is since it's almost taken on a whole new meaning in recent years. How do you define a socialist since I would not apply that term to any people you mentioned.
Greenwald claims all of those people as socialists. They are not socialists. Leftism hasn’t really changed its definitions much, though tensions between the socialists who want more state control and the anarchists who prefer more individual freedom goes back and forth, with the statists being more popular currently.
From Wikipedia, which is as good a source as any:
“Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[1] Left-wing politics are also associated with popular or state control of major political and economic institutions.[5] According to emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark, left-wing supporters "claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated."[6]
A socialist is someone who wants more or exclusive control of the means of production in the hands of the state and supports policies that push in that direction. Tax cuts for the rich do not qualify as socialist programs.
Greenwald was on Tucker Carlson tonight and what was discussed was all the money we're sending to Ukraine, which is no democracy at all, and never was. We're sending all this money to enrich the military industrial complex, and to follow through on a neocon agenda hoping to weaken Russia and oust Putin, and all the while not giving a good god damn about the people of this country, many of whom could use what where sending to Ukraine. There will always be a hierarchy in this country, but we have to work toward creating less of a divide so that all people will have a place to live, food, medical coverage and an opportunity for upward mobility. You are playing with labels. I don't care socialist, left-wing-supporters, leftist.
Being anti-imperialism and anti-war are things that I like about him. Him supporting Trump? Not so much.
I am literally quoting the definition of leftism here. Greenwald is no socialist, very far from it. I don't dislike that about him but I am being honest here.
I don't think Greenwald really fits into a neat box.
I agree that everyone should have a place to live, food, medical coverage and upward mobility! It sounds like we have a lot in common politically.
I didn't support a number of Trump's policies but I did support him in the sense that I thought the democrats came across like a bunch of autocrats in thinking they had every right to lie him out of office. They used every dirty trick in the book to do it. Their Jan 6 comm is a total joke. They acted in a way I perceived was far more dangerous then anything Trump did, and too bad we didn't listen when he said, "What's wrong with getting along with Russia." They thought they could use any means necessary, legal or not, to oust him from office, and operated in complicity with the deep state to do it. The degree to which the media was in complicity with them put on display that they are nothing more then money making rag sheets.
"They thought they could use any means necessary, legal or not, to oust him from office, and operated in complicity with the deep state to do it."
Very well put. This is one of the core mindsets right now with the American Elites in power. They are willing to do anything, no matter what, if it fits into their ideological belief system. And that only leads to more severe problems down the road. Introduce censorship? And then a new autocrat comes alone and you yourself become censored. Introduce prison labor? Soon your prisons will be filled with cheap labor where half your prisoners never had a real trial, but I working for $20 a month. Fuck with the electoral system, soon the entire election process becomes a well known farce. Continually disseminate false stories on CNN - soon your network becomes a well known joke to the populace.
Push out propaganda that the world is only black and white, Us versus Them, and soon enough you will become the Them on the wrong side of history. Joe Biden is a walking, talking corrupt joke of a president. The US presidency has become indistinguishable to a walking imbecile puppet for the MIC and the Elites who are running our government with 1400 page budget legislation that no one in office ever reads or produces. It's all a clown show at this point - a clown show of exploitation and plunder in the billions.
“I don't think Greenwald really fits into a neat box.”
Fitting into a neat box is only for the dead, including the intellectually dead.
IMO, the left/right political spectrum may have had real meaning in the past, but now it is just another imperial psyop meant to divide us.
Glenn has a new show on Rumble and has covered free speech constantly. If you consider free speech a right wing issue like many so called leftists, i guess you're onto something. But Glenn is more into anti war and civil liberties. Taking a quote out of context does not speak much unless you're on a smear campaign.
I like his support of free speech and being anti-war. Lots of libertarians are both of those things and I agree with them on it. It doesn't make them "leftists" unless you are playing footsie with the definition.
I'm not making claims to his team membership... just the issues he deals in.. and unlike right wing libertarians he has no free market ideologies.. in fact he was a Bernie bro like many of us..
True enough. I will go back to reading his substack but not the comment section.
you are a distraction. Wikipedia? really? for definitions? name-calling is very kindergarten as are your comments. Socialist, communist etc. in the media no longer has any meaning except to be off putting - such name-calling serves the same purpose as "conspiracy theoriest.> I suspect someone is paying you to spout this nonsense. the CIA perhaps?
I think Greenwald was always a fiscal libertarian. But that’s kinda irrelevant considering that he never espouses opinions on fiscal policy.
Don't know, but I have always liked him. He maintains, unlike most in the field of journalism, journalistic standards. They are few and far between. Too often they let their biases slip in and distort reality.
Agreed.
I think the vision is, you know, you have this kind of right-wing populism, which really is socialism, that says we should close our borders, not allow unconstrained immigration, and then take better care of our own working-class people and not allow this kind of transnational, global, corporatist elite to take everything for themselves under the guise of neoliberalism.”
Well, then I'm a socialist. We don't have to close our borders. We didn't close them along our coastal borders, but we did implement requirements in order for people to come into this country, not to mention ask questions. What Biden is doing now is reckless, and no doubt his intent is not one derived from good will. I'm unclear as to what you are trying to say in regard to my response to Ms Johnston's article.
I look forward to your support in nationalizing health care and transportation!
But yeah I should give Tucker Carlson a listen. His constant berating of mainstream Democrats as “socialists” is a little hard to stomach. He is bombastic and hyperbolic in general. I will give him another listen and try to be more open to what he is trying to say.
He never was on "the left". I got into a debate with him when he had his blog - he supported Citizen's United and the whole concept of corporate free speech. He also attacked government regulation of corporate power on related legal and political grounds.