We'll probably know in the next few weeks whether the fools are leading us into a nuclear conflagration. All they need do now is get NATO directly involved in Ukraine.
It's not that there is probably more than just this reality, since there probably is. It's just that, we could have achieved so much more.
I agree with your analogy and I suspect a lot of history-savvy Europeans are having similar thoughts.
On the other hand, in the 1930s Europe was still composed of mainly independent sovereign nation states with their own unique cultures and languages. Now, with the EU and NATO and the U.S. unified into a western empire and calling the collective shots, it’s like phase one of Hitler’s strategy to unify Western Europe has already occurred and all the military attention can be aimed at Russia. So there are also shades of 1941 when Germany launched Operation Barbarossa. But of course that is an inexact analogy, too, since history doesn’t repeat, it only rhymes.
Still, as in the 1930s, if I had friends or family in Europe now, I’d be tempted to tell them to flee. Of course the problem is there are few places to go where they could escape the carnage that may be coming.
Indirectly. The point of no return will come when there is a direct (official) involvement. Maybe it won't happen. I'm hearing some say that direct intervention may be coming - just hope they're wrong. Because if it does happen, that pretty much means we're fucked for the rest of our lives - assuming you're lucky enough (or unlucky enough) to survive the inevitable nuclear escalation.
Well, how would the "official" involvement announcement look like? What if they never announce or admit anything but increase an already significant presence? Who is going to determine the de facto official involvement since no verbal one is forthcoming?
This is where the real danger is. It's up for somebody to say that's it, we're done. And it looks like it'll have to be Putin no matter how hard he seems to try to avoid it.
I'm unclear about where a proxy war ends and a direct conflict begins.
How much "assistance" in making sure explosives end up on top of Russians or Russian allies is allowed for a proxy war? How many people from your and allied countries fighting on behalf of the proxy?
Does it even fucking matter at this point? The West currently claims it's open to negotiations, fooling the public through the corrupt iron grip the deep state has on mass media - so that many Americans will think Biden and Blinken want to negotiate, when instead, Putin is being presented with a list of nutjob demands that we all know can never be accepted. The cold war obviously has already ignited that will be disastrous for the world for the next few decades, igniting yet another arms race that will fuck over poor people all over the world, including the already screwed American public - who are now bearing witness to their own government acting like a Mafia family that extorts more and more money from its citizenry only to feed the war machine, and the unaccountable CIA/NSA/Homeland and its corrupt FBI deep state mafia henchmen.
We've all seen this script before. In Vietnam. Even as JFK was trying to get us out of that war - they killed him. And Johnson immediately reversed direction - and we saw bloodshed continue on for another decade. We've seen the script again with Iraq, and all those WMDs we were told we're ready to turn Manhattan into a molten ball. It's always blood based on being told a deliberate lie, as if that is what the country stands for.
Let's just admit it: Eisenhower was right. The Military Industrial Complex in the United States has become the most dangerous institution on the fucking planet. It, along with a CIA that murdered a sitting US president who was promising to smash it into a thousand pieces - these are the real powers that now govern the United States. It isn't the acting stooges like Nancy Poshittyfuck or Joe McBiden fondling young women zombie creepso man - who are running our country. It's Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grunman, Raytheon Technologies and the right-wing fanatics who will do whatever it fucking takes, kill whoever they can, bomb whomever they must - to remain in power.
Will they stop themselves from escalating NATO into Ukraine? So far, they're sending everything they can to Ukraine - including billions of taxpayer dollars that could have been spent on US healthcare or US transportation or US education - but instead are being sent to Ukraine - a war that like Vietnam - did not need to happen and is based on a BALD FACED LIE by these right-wing neocon fuckers running this country right now. These same fuckers hell bent on turning this unofficial war into an official war between NATO and Russia because they either think a NUCLEAR conflagration Russia won't risk, or that a Nuclear war between Russia and the US is survivable. The same fucks who told us we could win in Vietnam, we could win in Afghanistan, we could win in North Korea. These same fucks who are always right until they are wrong. But this time it's nuclear weapons they want to play with. Does it really matter at this point given how far we now are down the rabbit hole - on this supposedly "unofficial" suicidal military course being pushed upon us all - because of the arrogance, idiocy of those in charge of the deep state and the American craptocracy of right-wing, mass surveillance US, 1000+ bases militarism?
If NATO gets directly involved, it will likely be via Poland sending troops in. Poland is mobilizing quite a bit right now. All the neocons/warmongering nutjobs need do - is insert an actual (sizeable) unit of NATO troops in - as opposed to "advisors". Once that starts, such as Poland sending in a number of brigades - it's all she wrote.
Keep in mind that the whole nuclear "threat" could very well simply be fear porn. We simply don't know, and as well, they may have intentions for something but change their plans midflight for PR reasons, either propaganda or avoidance, or possibly both.
We'll probably know in the next few weeks whether the fools are leading us into a nuclear conflagration. All they need do now is get NATO directly involved in Ukraine.
It's not that there is probably more than just this reality, since there probably is. It's just that, we could have achieved so much more.
For some time I've been feeling like I'm in Europe in 1930's. With the only problem not knowing which specific year.
Yes. There is a surreal unreality to it all. You don't want to see what is obvious before your eyes.
I agree with your analogy and I suspect a lot of history-savvy Europeans are having similar thoughts.
On the other hand, in the 1930s Europe was still composed of mainly independent sovereign nation states with their own unique cultures and languages. Now, with the EU and NATO and the U.S. unified into a western empire and calling the collective shots, it’s like phase one of Hitler’s strategy to unify Western Europe has already occurred and all the military attention can be aimed at Russia. So there are also shades of 1941 when Germany launched Operation Barbarossa. But of course that is an inexact analogy, too, since history doesn’t repeat, it only rhymes.
Still, as in the 1930s, if I had friends or family in Europe now, I’d be tempted to tell them to flee. Of course the problem is there are few places to go where they could escape the carnage that may be coming.
Or the 50's in Eastern Europe.
Sure, but with nukes.. could be '39
I think NATO is heavily involved already.
Indirectly. The point of no return will come when there is a direct (official) involvement. Maybe it won't happen. I'm hearing some say that direct intervention may be coming - just hope they're wrong. Because if it does happen, that pretty much means we're fucked for the rest of our lives - assuming you're lucky enough (or unlucky enough) to survive the inevitable nuclear escalation.
Well, how would the "official" involvement announcement look like? What if they never announce or admit anything but increase an already significant presence? Who is going to determine the de facto official involvement since no verbal one is forthcoming?
This is where the real danger is. It's up for somebody to say that's it, we're done. And it looks like it'll have to be Putin no matter how hard he seems to try to avoid it.
I'm unclear about where a proxy war ends and a direct conflict begins.
How much "assistance" in making sure explosives end up on top of Russians or Russian allies is allowed for a proxy war? How many people from your and allied countries fighting on behalf of the proxy?
Does it even fucking matter at this point? The West currently claims it's open to negotiations, fooling the public through the corrupt iron grip the deep state has on mass media - so that many Americans will think Biden and Blinken want to negotiate, when instead, Putin is being presented with a list of nutjob demands that we all know can never be accepted. The cold war obviously has already ignited that will be disastrous for the world for the next few decades, igniting yet another arms race that will fuck over poor people all over the world, including the already screwed American public - who are now bearing witness to their own government acting like a Mafia family that extorts more and more money from its citizenry only to feed the war machine, and the unaccountable CIA/NSA/Homeland and its corrupt FBI deep state mafia henchmen.
We've all seen this script before. In Vietnam. Even as JFK was trying to get us out of that war - they killed him. And Johnson immediately reversed direction - and we saw bloodshed continue on for another decade. We've seen the script again with Iraq, and all those WMDs we were told we're ready to turn Manhattan into a molten ball. It's always blood based on being told a deliberate lie, as if that is what the country stands for.
Let's just admit it: Eisenhower was right. The Military Industrial Complex in the United States has become the most dangerous institution on the fucking planet. It, along with a CIA that murdered a sitting US president who was promising to smash it into a thousand pieces - these are the real powers that now govern the United States. It isn't the acting stooges like Nancy Poshittyfuck or Joe McBiden fondling young women zombie creepso man - who are running our country. It's Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grunman, Raytheon Technologies and the right-wing fanatics who will do whatever it fucking takes, kill whoever they can, bomb whomever they must - to remain in power.
Will they stop themselves from escalating NATO into Ukraine? So far, they're sending everything they can to Ukraine - including billions of taxpayer dollars that could have been spent on US healthcare or US transportation or US education - but instead are being sent to Ukraine - a war that like Vietnam - did not need to happen and is based on a BALD FACED LIE by these right-wing neocon fuckers running this country right now. These same fuckers hell bent on turning this unofficial war into an official war between NATO and Russia because they either think a NUCLEAR conflagration Russia won't risk, or that a Nuclear war between Russia and the US is survivable. The same fucks who told us we could win in Vietnam, we could win in Afghanistan, we could win in North Korea. These same fucks who are always right until they are wrong. But this time it's nuclear weapons they want to play with. Does it really matter at this point given how far we now are down the rabbit hole - on this supposedly "unofficial" suicidal military course being pushed upon us all - because of the arrogance, idiocy of those in charge of the deep state and the American craptocracy of right-wing, mass surveillance US, 1000+ bases militarism?
If NATO gets directly involved, it will likely be via Poland sending troops in. Poland is mobilizing quite a bit right now. All the neocons/warmongering nutjobs need do - is insert an actual (sizeable) unit of NATO troops in - as opposed to "advisors". Once that starts, such as Poland sending in a number of brigades - it's all she wrote.
Keep in mind that the whole nuclear "threat" could very well simply be fear porn. We simply don't know, and as well, they may have intentions for something but change their plans midflight for PR reasons, either propaganda or avoidance, or possibly both.
Yeah, one can hope that is all they intend. But the stupidity of where we're at right now - how we've gotten here, seems to have no bounds.