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George Watts's avatar

The meaning of life, to survive, dominant in the environment of our peers, and to propagate. This is what all Flora and fauna do. Humans are no different, regardless of our level of perceived consciousness. The most ruthless will naturally rise to the top. Mix in some greed, you have current society.

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russian_bot's avatar

Indeed. If we're to buy the survival of the fittest then all is going according to plan.

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Patrick Powers's avatar

Not really. "Fitness" is usually interpreted as dominating others but if you look at the real world the most helpful species are the most successful, like trees and grasses, fungi worms and bacteria. That's what real fitness is.

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russian_bot's avatar

Right, let's twist it so it looks beautiful. Trees when they cast too much shade on shorter ones cut themselves down so those others can catch the sun. Or did the shorter ones end up moving away from the taller? Since they couldn't get the taller ones to "help"?

And I'm not even starting with humans. The helpful kind indeed up and until it suits them. Then the killing starts for the fittest to remain. How is that not fitness?

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One Existence's avatar

What authority has THE HUMAN MIND to decide what existences are allowed to propagate and which ones not. Your analogy is based on the notion of the 'R Dawkins sugarcoated poison pill' swallowed hook line and sinker.

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russian_bot's avatar

Demanding to obey "rules based order" requires no permission from any authority, poison pill and all.

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One Existence's avatar

You completely missed the point, I tried and failed ... so be it!

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notBob's avatar

I have made this exact argument here many times, humans are biological creatures driven by the same parameters as other biological creatures. Most recently the idea that human competition is something that can be controlled or eliminated. Every species from bacteria to humans and beyond are in competition with each other, it is a fundamental part of biological survival. It cannot be eliminated or suppressed without doing damage to the species.

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One Existence's avatar

Do colours on a canvas compete to be the most important or prominent one. I haven't seen a painting of that one could call beautiful to resemble that kind of notion nor anything else in GOD ALMIGHTY'S CREATION for sake of completeness that resembles beauty in any shape or form. Look at modern architecture, 'art', 'music' (from hell) ... and think about it what is the most fundamental commonality that has changed determining the outcomes of mentioned aspects of life between 1500 - today... think about you WILL be surprised at first and then it will make so much more sense what is happening before our very own eyes.

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notBob's avatar

Let me also remind you that religions throughout history have competed with each other, usually resulting in a holy war.

You make a reference to almighty god but which one ? There have been so many almighty gods throughout history that its hard to know which one you refer too.

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One Existence's avatar

Your casual use of language reveals the superficiality of THE HUMAN MIND making the comment. There WAS/IS/WILL - ETERNALLY - ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY ... as to your reference to historical CLAIMS - you realise the difference as to your insinuation - it is no secret that all sorts of claims have been made by all sorts of existences ... therefore it is said: you will KNOW the truth and the truth is going to set you free NOT you will be TOLD the truth....

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bill wolfe's avatar

No, you spout socio-biology and social Darwinist garbage.

Humans have consciousness which gives rise to moral responsibility.

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One Existence's avatar

"The most ruthless will naturally rise to the top. Mix in some greed, you have current society." ... which are the birth pangs of THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ... whether someone believes it or not. THE TRUTH is existence not non-existence. Which is why wo/man are made in THE IMAGE OF GOD ALMIGHTY!

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bill wolfe's avatar

Ecological and evolutionary science show dynamics and many examples of co-operation and mutualism.

Your ideas of "dominance" are anti-science and reflect a 19th century social darwinism, tainted by 20th century socio-biology and eugenics. Please stop.

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