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bill wolfe's avatar

Yes, but unions are inclusive institutions driven by class interests. That tends to ameliorate the identity issues that are used to divide us.

Jimmy Dore uses that issue and medicare for all (Force the Vote) as examples - but if you watch his show regularly, you will see that he often spouts disgusting ignorance and appeals to dangerous cultural tendencies - and his sidekick comedian (can't recall his name right now) is an embarrassment. On balance, Dore's counter-productive.

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jamenta's avatar

I still enjoy and watch the Jimmy Dore show. Mostly because he is constantly sticking up for the little guy, has always been vocally anti-war. Has always been a front-runner in exposing propaganda coming from the Establishment - such as the Neo-McCarthyism of the Russia Disinformation campaign - or the lies about Syria gas attacks or WMD's in Iraq. I've been following Jimmy for almost a decade now, since he first appeared on TYT. I enjoy it when his co-host Aaron Mate substitutes for him. Buzzsaw Aaron Mate - whom I've followed and liked ever since he was on Democracy Now.

There are some views Dore holds that I dislike and he does seem biased. His views on the covid19 pandemic I find particularly lopsided, and feel like he has a bit of a complex over the issue, because of the divide Covid19 caused on the left (and I believe, his own personal life.) I feel his views on police (which are necessary for any civilization) are a bit extreme i.e. I don't look at a policeman and view that policeman immediately as a corrupt violent person who is going to do me in as soon as he can. I do think there are some policemen who are trying to do their job - and are necessary in order to keep a free society from devolving into criminal anarchy. I do agree police reform is needed - but wouldn't vilify police as much as Jimmy does.

So yeah, like anyone, with a big megaphone on a political platform there is good and bad. So for you, as you say, on balance Dore is counter-productive. But for me - "on balance" I still feel Dore does more good than harm- the majority of his shows really do stick up for ordinary Americans while Jimmy is always punching upward especially toward corrupt politicians and obscenely wealthy tax avoiders.

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Gavin Farrell's avatar

Agreed. Dore is at best a mild Social Democrat. Never heard him ever talk full Socialism or Communism. But I believe Dore can be a good gateway drug for a lot of right leaning people to edge them in a more Left direction.

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Paula's avatar

"ameliorate the identity issues that are used to divide us" ??? You want to make them "better"? How can you make them "better"?

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bill wolfe's avatar

It's called solidarity. The IWW and the US Communist Party both welcomed immigrants of diverse cultural backgrounds and black people and women, based on class interests. This happened 100 years before the current "intersectionality" theory. The membership shared common interests and fought together to advance those interests. That solidarity "ameliorated" what are currently conceived racial and gender and cultural divisions. It was the capitalists who sought to stoke and exploit those issues in order to divide and weaken labor power. Later, the unions mostly abandoned this emphasis on inclusion.

Do some reading.

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Paula's avatar

You need a reading comprehension course. I said How can you ameliorate class issues? Issues is Newspeak for Problems, & problems must be solved, not "ameliorated." I'm talking about incomprehensible use of language, not union history.

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bill wolfe's avatar

In case you don't know, Unions raise wages, benefits, and improve working conditions. Working people have more power in the workplace with respect to capital and management. Organizing can lead to building more power for working people. Workers get along better with each other and feel a sense of solidarity that can dampen cultural and racial conflict. These relationships can transcend th workplace and spill over into the community. All these have materially beneficial impacts on working people. Consider that, while you look up the definition of "ameliorate".

Meanwhile, an overemphasis of identity issues divide people and provide no collective benefits, while capital and management benefit from those divisions. Get it?

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Tarun's avatar

Such a typical leftist complaining that other leftists don't pass the litmus test. Maybe cause Dore rants against Big Pharma's covid lies? Same with RFK. Too many snooty leftists who are abandoning him cause he's too pro Israel... so go vote for Andrew Yang!!

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bill wolfe's avatar

and anyone who brings an automatic weapon to a political or governmental event is disqualified. JD welcomes these violence prone folks with open arms and rarely, if ever, criticizes them or related cultural fascists.

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bill wolfe's avatar

and please don'r reply with the Black Panther Party's California experience.

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Tarun's avatar

Wah Wah Wah... fuken crazy shitlib!!

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