Reminds me of how organizations like Code Pink refused to participate in the "Rage Against the Machine" protest in DC in 2022. Because, I believe Ron Paul spoke at the event, and Jackson Hinkle,etc. Even though the event had many well known Left/Indie - intellectuals speaking, such as Chris Hedges, Jimmy Dore, Jill Stein, Roger Waters, Tara Reade, Max Blumenthal, etc.
Decisions like this is one of the reasons why the Left barely exists. You're not going to create a strong movement if you insist only certain qualified people who pass your defined Left litmus test can be invited to your rallies. Although, this is not a new problem for the Left. MLK had all sorts of difficulties keeping the civil rights movement he led focused and there was quite a bit of acrimony with civil rights leaders at the time, including with Rosa Parks, and Malcolm X.
Organizing requires shared values. Very difficult to form coalitions and common cause with folks who not only don't share many fundamental values (e.g. equality, justice, tolerance, diversity, peace, anti-empire, anti-capitalism, anti-corporate, pro-ecology, respect for human dignity, compassion, solidarity, etc), but actively oppose them and manifest many Fascist cultural and political tendencies.
Frankly,right now, I'm less concerned about the lack of a powerful Left, than the rising fascist culture and politics in US.
Yes, but sometimes it is necessary to get anything done. As Jimmy Dore often points out on his show, when Dore talks about Chris Smalls successful attempts to unionize against Amazon's pitiful exploitative treatment of their workers - Smalls didn't require people joining his efforts to agree to an ideological litmus test. Many of the workers that joined Small's protest/unionization efforts were Trumpers or Ron Paul believers.
Yes, but unions are inclusive institutions driven by class interests. That tends to ameliorate the identity issues that are used to divide us.
Jimmy Dore uses that issue and medicare for all (Force the Vote) as examples - but if you watch his show regularly, you will see that he often spouts disgusting ignorance and appeals to dangerous cultural tendencies - and his sidekick comedian (can't recall his name right now) is an embarrassment. On balance, Dore's counter-productive.
I still enjoy and watch the Jimmy Dore show. Mostly because he is constantly sticking up for the little guy, has always been vocally anti-war. Has always been a front-runner in exposing propaganda coming from the Establishment - such as the Neo-McCarthyism of the Russia Disinformation campaign - or the lies about Syria gas attacks or WMD's in Iraq. I've been following Jimmy for almost a decade now, since he first appeared on TYT. I enjoy it when his co-host Aaron Mate substitutes for him. Buzzsaw Aaron Mate - whom I've followed and liked ever since he was on Democracy Now.
There are some views Dore holds that I dislike and he does seem biased. His views on the covid19 pandemic I find particularly lopsided, and feel like he has a bit of a complex over the issue, because of the divide Covid19 caused on the left (and I believe, his own personal life.) I feel his views on police (which are necessary for any civilization) are a bit extreme i.e. I don't look at a policeman and view that policeman immediately as a corrupt violent person who is going to do me in as soon as he can. I do think there are some policemen who are trying to do their job - and are necessary in order to keep a free society from devolving into criminal anarchy. I do agree police reform is needed - but wouldn't vilify police as much as Jimmy does.
So yeah, like anyone, with a big megaphone on a political platform there is good and bad. So for you, as you say, on balance Dore is counter-productive. But for me - "on balance" I still feel Dore does more good than harm- the majority of his shows really do stick up for ordinary Americans while Jimmy is always punching upward especially toward corrupt politicians and obscenely wealthy tax avoiders.
Agreed. Dore is at best a mild Social Democrat. Never heard him ever talk full Socialism or Communism. But I believe Dore can be a good gateway drug for a lot of right leaning people to edge them in a more Left direction.
It's called solidarity. The IWW and the US Communist Party both welcomed immigrants of diverse cultural backgrounds and black people and women, based on class interests. This happened 100 years before the current "intersectionality" theory. The membership shared common interests and fought together to advance those interests. That solidarity "ameliorated" what are currently conceived racial and gender and cultural divisions. It was the capitalists who sought to stoke and exploit those issues in order to divide and weaken labor power. Later, the unions mostly abandoned this emphasis on inclusion.
You need a reading comprehension course. I said How can you ameliorate class issues? Issues is Newspeak for Problems, & problems must be solved, not "ameliorated." I'm talking about incomprehensible use of language, not union history.
Such a typical leftist complaining that other leftists don't pass the litmus test. Maybe cause Dore rants against Big Pharma's covid lies? Same with RFK. Too many snooty leftists who are abandoning him cause he's too pro Israel... so go vote for Andrew Yang!!
and anyone who brings an automatic weapon to a political or governmental event is disqualified. JD welcomes these violence prone folks with open arms and rarely, if ever, criticizes them or related cultural fascists.
Reminds me of how organizations like Code Pink refused to participate in the "Rage Against the Machine" protest in DC in 2022. Because, I believe Ron Paul spoke at the event, and Jackson Hinkle,etc. Even though the event had many well known Left/Indie - intellectuals speaking, such as Chris Hedges, Jimmy Dore, Jill Stein, Roger Waters, Tara Reade, Max Blumenthal, etc.
Decisions like this is one of the reasons why the Left barely exists. You're not going to create a strong movement if you insist only certain qualified people who pass your defined Left litmus test can be invited to your rallies. Although, this is not a new problem for the Left. MLK had all sorts of difficulties keeping the civil rights movement he led focused and there was quite a bit of acrimony with civil rights leaders at the time, including with Rosa Parks, and Malcolm X.
Organizing requires shared values. Very difficult to form coalitions and common cause with folks who not only don't share many fundamental values (e.g. equality, justice, tolerance, diversity, peace, anti-empire, anti-capitalism, anti-corporate, pro-ecology, respect for human dignity, compassion, solidarity, etc), but actively oppose them and manifest many Fascist cultural and political tendencies.
Frankly,right now, I'm less concerned about the lack of a powerful Left, than the rising fascist culture and politics in US.
Yes, but sometimes it is necessary to get anything done. As Jimmy Dore often points out on his show, when Dore talks about Chris Smalls successful attempts to unionize against Amazon's pitiful exploitative treatment of their workers - Smalls didn't require people joining his efforts to agree to an ideological litmus test. Many of the workers that joined Small's protest/unionization efforts were Trumpers or Ron Paul believers.
There is power in common cause.
Yes, but unions are inclusive institutions driven by class interests. That tends to ameliorate the identity issues that are used to divide us.
Jimmy Dore uses that issue and medicare for all (Force the Vote) as examples - but if you watch his show regularly, you will see that he often spouts disgusting ignorance and appeals to dangerous cultural tendencies - and his sidekick comedian (can't recall his name right now) is an embarrassment. On balance, Dore's counter-productive.
I still enjoy and watch the Jimmy Dore show. Mostly because he is constantly sticking up for the little guy, has always been vocally anti-war. Has always been a front-runner in exposing propaganda coming from the Establishment - such as the Neo-McCarthyism of the Russia Disinformation campaign - or the lies about Syria gas attacks or WMD's in Iraq. I've been following Jimmy for almost a decade now, since he first appeared on TYT. I enjoy it when his co-host Aaron Mate substitutes for him. Buzzsaw Aaron Mate - whom I've followed and liked ever since he was on Democracy Now.
There are some views Dore holds that I dislike and he does seem biased. His views on the covid19 pandemic I find particularly lopsided, and feel like he has a bit of a complex over the issue, because of the divide Covid19 caused on the left (and I believe, his own personal life.) I feel his views on police (which are necessary for any civilization) are a bit extreme i.e. I don't look at a policeman and view that policeman immediately as a corrupt violent person who is going to do me in as soon as he can. I do think there are some policemen who are trying to do their job - and are necessary in order to keep a free society from devolving into criminal anarchy. I do agree police reform is needed - but wouldn't vilify police as much as Jimmy does.
So yeah, like anyone, with a big megaphone on a political platform there is good and bad. So for you, as you say, on balance Dore is counter-productive. But for me - "on balance" I still feel Dore does more good than harm- the majority of his shows really do stick up for ordinary Americans while Jimmy is always punching upward especially toward corrupt politicians and obscenely wealthy tax avoiders.
Agreed. Dore is at best a mild Social Democrat. Never heard him ever talk full Socialism or Communism. But I believe Dore can be a good gateway drug for a lot of right leaning people to edge them in a more Left direction.
"ameliorate the identity issues that are used to divide us" ??? You want to make them "better"? How can you make them "better"?
It's called solidarity. The IWW and the US Communist Party both welcomed immigrants of diverse cultural backgrounds and black people and women, based on class interests. This happened 100 years before the current "intersectionality" theory. The membership shared common interests and fought together to advance those interests. That solidarity "ameliorated" what are currently conceived racial and gender and cultural divisions. It was the capitalists who sought to stoke and exploit those issues in order to divide and weaken labor power. Later, the unions mostly abandoned this emphasis on inclusion.
Do some reading.
You need a reading comprehension course. I said How can you ameliorate class issues? Issues is Newspeak for Problems, & problems must be solved, not "ameliorated." I'm talking about incomprehensible use of language, not union history.
Such a typical leftist complaining that other leftists don't pass the litmus test. Maybe cause Dore rants against Big Pharma's covid lies? Same with RFK. Too many snooty leftists who are abandoning him cause he's too pro Israel... so go vote for Andrew Yang!!
and anyone who brings an automatic weapon to a political or governmental event is disqualified. JD welcomes these violence prone folks with open arms and rarely, if ever, criticizes them or related cultural fascists.
and please don'r reply with the Black Panther Party's California experience.
Wah Wah Wah... fuken crazy shitlib!!
I dont think you would find mice atttending a rally event held by eagles complaining about being oppresed by predatory wolves.
At least not the smarter mice….