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Hesperado's avatar

Interesting how the subcategory of Caitlin Johnstone/Max Blumenthal/Aaron Mate/Jimmy Dore is actually pro-Communist, and thus is myopic to the problem of the West being, precisely, a systemic subversion over decades BY Communists.

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JennyStokes's avatar

They are NOT pro-Communist they are liberal socialists.

Read more books and stop watching Teevee.

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Hesperado's avatar

1) Not taking a stand against Communism = enabling Communism.

2) Their reluctance to condemn Communism includes a myopia to Communist subversion as the #1 threat to the West

3) They probably think the West is evil through and through, from the beginning to now, essentially.

1+2+3 = I don't care what flavor they call themselves, they are enabling Communism.

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California Girl's avatar

Making Communism your enemy only gives it power. To my way of thinking, fascism is worse. And that's where we're headed.

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Hesperado's avatar

Those are 2 sides of the same coin. Their seeming opposition to each other is part of the (successful) disinformation of whoever is behind the project.

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pretzelattack's avatar

"seeming oppostion" LOL Stalin did more than any western leader to win World War 2.

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Lotus Martini's avatar

Yes, I love how their "seeming opposition" made Italian anarcho-communists faceplant Mussolini and made the Soviets steamroll Nazis aaaalll the way into Berlin...

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Hesperado's avatar

You're assuming Hitler was a "fascist" (with the obvious corollary assumption that "fascist" is evil because the Communists & Jews say it is).

An interestingly curious question which you are apparently incapable of asking: Why would the Western Mainstream all these decades whitewash Lenin and Stalin's Communism while massively demonizing Hitler and Nazism? And why would supposedly anti-Establishment "socialists" like you be agreeing with the Evil Capitalist Western Mainstream on this matter?

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Hesperado's avatar

Totalitarianism certainly describes the coin, but more needs to be done to identify, dissect & diagnose the complex tangled phenomenon it reflects.

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russian_bot's avatar

That's right. Buford T Justice gave it ample definition.

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Lotus Martini's avatar

Had to Google, laughed my fricking ass off when I remembered who that was... Arigatô, Mr. Roboto!

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Hesperado's avatar

There are 2 Communisms -- one is a romantic fable that has seduced countless Useful Idiots (some otherwise quite intelligent). The other is some psychopathic movement to destroy Christianity and remake Mankind.

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ChazLB's avatar

You are the very poster child of everything I said about Hollywood warping your perceptions of reality..you have red scare deep in your brain stem..what you don't see or understand is the mind control through ideology and indoctrination of mythology you succumbed to left vrs right paradigms of pick a team and fight. The woke crowd gets fed it and your side gets fed it. Plenty of democrats now believe in red scare too..

You are existential scared of comi sleeper cells hiding under your bed poised to steal the patriotic lint.

Hollywood used BOTH mindsets to make you pick a team and fight..and yet you are still sauntering up their slaughterhouse ramp arguing who is first to face the blades...your level of blind fear induced ignorance is the real problem with all you neocon useful idiots. Same as the neolibersl woke crowd and neither if you can see how you have been emotionally played like cheap violins.

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Hesperado's avatar

It's not an even split 50/50. The side that minimizes the Red Scare enjoys the massive cultural & sociopolitical support of the entire Western Mainstream and has enjoyed that support since the 1940s. I was surprised to learn that in fact the Mainstream already in the 1950s was anti-McCarthy. Indeed, the Democrat who preceded him in the Congressional investigation committee to ferret out Communist saboteurs, Martin Dies, when he passed the HUAC baton onto Joe, warned him to watch his back, because already in the 1940s they had been attacking Dies for his efforts.

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Lotus Martini's avatar

"Quite intelligent people understand something I do not, ergo they're actually useful idiots, because it's not possible I MUST BE THE ONE NOT UNDERSTANDING A SIMPLE CONCEPT..."

Oh wow, I hadn't gotten to the "destroy Christianity" part! You're really just a lunatic, nvm.

Btw: Christ was a proto-socialist. HE SAYS SO IN HIS BOOKS, READ THEM.

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Hesperado's avatar

Jesus Christ didn't have any books, if by "his books" you mean books he wrote. However, there are the New Testament books which record & discuss his advent, ministry, and teachings. For example, pertinent to your claim,

https://substack.com/profile/25949243-hesperado/note/c-45630248

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Hesperado's avatar

Strawman. I never mentioned "capitalism". The romantic fable type Communism tries to concoct a bogey man Marx and his pal Engels called "Capital" but what they were really aiming at was the West itself (which Marx ostensibly reduced to economics).

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Lotus Martini's avatar

"A systemic subversion over decades by communists"...

Tell me, comrade, how many means of production are in the hands of workers in this "subverted" Capitalist World Order you seem to believe in?

And how many are in the hands of old, useless, rich white men that haven't worked for decades?

Please add 'em up and get back to me, cheers!

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jamenta's avatar

"What's funny about rich people complaining that poor people don't work and are a drain on society is that every rich person does negative work.

That is, it takes far more work to accommodate their life than their labor could possibly produce. They are the real drain on society."

~Existential Comics

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gypsy33's avatar

Well said, Jamenta!

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Lotus Martini's avatar

Bingo!

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Bill Jarett's avatar

How many are in North Korea, Cuba, or Venezuela? Concentrated power is corrupt power. Only individual liberty with voluntary free association works long term. Power corrupts.

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Lotus Martini's avatar

Ergo we should distribute said power as evenly as we possibly can amongst all the workers of a given society... Concentrated power is the bread and butter of capitalism, after all...

For example: Wouldn't you say a country that has the highest literacy rate in all of the Americas, that has the highest rate of home-ownership in that same continent, that has the highest doctor-per-capita rate of the _planet_, is doing a pretty good job at distributing power amongst the citizenry? I'd say so... (Btw that country isn't Canada, and if you thought it was the USA, go see a doctor...)

"Free association" is just an euphemism for "rich people can do whatever the hell they want" in bourgeoisie democracy, my friend.

There's more people going to sleep without shelter tonight in a single city block of LA than in the entirety of the Cuban isle... But that's just those poor drug-addicted people exercising their "right to free association", amirite? :)

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gypsy33's avatar

What, the “Red Scare” thang again?

Gee, I remember that back in the ‘60’s.

I’m shakin’ in my cowgirl boots 😂

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Hesperado's avatar

The irony is that the same Mainstream that beginning in the 1940s (and increasingly the following decades until now) mocked and minimized the concern over the Red Scare is the same Mainstream that has promoted our recent Narratives -- Covid, Climate Change, CRT, Transgenders, Ukraine, and now the pro-Israel Narrative.

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Susan T's avatar

Maybe the bigger concern was the capitalist greed scare which nobody noticed as long as they could keep buying their cars and big houses.

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ChazLB's avatar

Hollywood did a number on the American numpty as far back as the McCarthy era to brain wash them into red scare 2.0 the orwelian level.

The cia having whole departments dedicated to warping Americans perceptions of reality through Hollywood to push a mind controlled agenda of Russian xenophobia and Putin bogeyman syndrome you all now seem to suffer from. All while unchecked predatory capitalism you have been trained to worship is sanctified while it actuvly stealer you prosperity and blood sweat and tears right out of everyone's body's while your in collusion political shills run cover for them.. But you numpties still think there are Russian sleeper cells hiding under your beds poised to steal the patriotic lint.

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Hesperado's avatar

Actually, as Diana West has shown, it was largely the reverse. With a few rare exceptions that prove the rule, Hollywood has cultivated the Leftist disdain for "McCarthyism" and making martyrs of the Hollywood Communists blacklisted -- and as Diana West has proven, Hollywood actually had another blacklist going (one the Mainstream never discusses, of course) preventing movies that were anti-Stalinist from being made.

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pretzelattack's avatar

you're just pushing Joe McCarthy style propaganda here, Hollywood (see Reagan, Ronald) was an enthusiastic backer of the lies propagated by people like Joe McCarthy and the Kennedys about leftists. you fell for an earlier version of the propaganda you write about.

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