Well, not in the real Bible but in the one the Rothschilds created it says Jesus will return when all Jews have been corralled into Palestine (no mention of Israel) for Armageddon and the Rapture. In this new Bible of 1909 there are only 144,000 seats on the journey with Jesus into heaven. No matter there have been 100 billion humans that have already lived and died. Only 144,000 seats are available. All the Jews who have lived and died will not be resurrected. Than includes Einstein, and none of the Nobel peace prize winners. Only the Jews corralled into the holy land who convert to Christianity will be allowed to follow Him into heaven. No Muslims, no Buddhists, no Catholics, no Orthodox Christians. Only the Jews who convert to follow Jesus and evangelical Christians will be allowed to vie for the 144,000 seats. The rest of the Jews who don’t convert will be condemned to hellfire and damnation for ever and ever along with all the other religions and evangelicals who don’t make the cut. 100+ billion souls would join the Jews who don’t convert into the hellfire and damnation forever and ever and ever.
I’ve never heard of such a deluded bunch of wing-nuts all my life.
LOL, what is this heaven and hell thing anyways. Are we talking about physical beings who need physical comforts in heaven and fear the pain of the fire in hell? Does the rapture state specifically that physical beings will fit in that tiny bus? Or are we talking about souls? Last I heard souls were not physical.
It's indoctrination. There is no rationale.
In Catholic grade school, I asked the question. What about the folks who lived before Jesus, or never knew Jesus, what happens to them. The sweet nun calmly told me they will not go to hell, they will live eternally in purgatory.... a sort warm spot between the 2 realms. I was left thinking, how in the world is that fair??
I’m Catholic, and, as I understand it, that sweet nun was wrong. Jesus went to hell after he was crucified and he got all those good people out. It says so in the creed! Seriously, all religions—even mine, which I believe in—are human constructs, and therefore flawed. God is infinite love snd therefore greater than any religion.
But my question was, why were they sent there in the first place? It just didn't seem fair to me. Good people should not be punished. And if Jesus went to hell "after" he was crucified, what about the good people who didn't/don't know him "after" his Resurrection? That would be a bunch of people/souls. Is he making daily, weekly, monthly or yearly visit to hell/purgatory to save them?
These are some of the questions I asked in Catholic school which made my teachers ignore my hand raised, sometimes, my hand would be the only hand raised.
You are awesome! The only actual answer to this is twofold: our parish priest said, when I was about 11: “God doesn’t send anyone to hell. It’s completely our choice.” God is love, and we have free will. We can choose to act out of hate and reject love. When we do that, we are already in hell even though we may be—on a material level—safe and prosperous. Hell begins right here in this life. Heaven begins in this life. And we can choose to walk out of the hell of our own making any time. Gif doesn’t put us there.
Which brings me to (drumroll) C.S. Lewis and the second part of the answer (he, btw, was one of the people who explained that life is a continuum). He has Aslan saying “all times are now to me”. And Aslan is his symbol/metaphor for God. We humans live in linear time. God does not. There is no “before” or “after” for the love that made the universe. The good people who died didn’t have to wait at all!
That is what I was taught, and what I believe. The harrowing of hell is a story—a metaphor. Hell itself is a metaphor—though, when you see what evils Israel and the U.S. are doing, it can seem pretty real.
While in Catholic College, ha, imagine that, Catholic education all the way through college! I had a Professor who was a Priest and a Historian. He basically debunked much of what had been considered historical in the Bible. He said much of it was allegory and should not be taken literally. He would cross-section the story in the Bible with historical facts. He was a blessing and didn’t mind my questions at all. I can’t remember his name, but he was awesome in that he encouraged critical thinking.
Well, not in the real Bible but in the one the Rothschilds created it says Jesus will return when all Jews have been corralled into Palestine (no mention of Israel) for Armageddon and the Rapture. In this new Bible of 1909 there are only 144,000 seats on the journey with Jesus into heaven. No matter there have been 100 billion humans that have already lived and died. Only 144,000 seats are available. All the Jews who have lived and died will not be resurrected. Than includes Einstein, and none of the Nobel peace prize winners. Only the Jews corralled into the holy land who convert to Christianity will be allowed to follow Him into heaven. No Muslims, no Buddhists, no Catholics, no Orthodox Christians. Only the Jews who convert to follow Jesus and evangelical Christians will be allowed to vie for the 144,000 seats. The rest of the Jews who don’t convert will be condemned to hellfire and damnation for ever and ever along with all the other religions and evangelicals who don’t make the cut. 100+ billion souls would join the Jews who don’t convert into the hellfire and damnation forever and ever and ever.
I’ve never heard of such a deluded bunch of wing-nuts all my life.
LOL, what is this heaven and hell thing anyways. Are we talking about physical beings who need physical comforts in heaven and fear the pain of the fire in hell? Does the rapture state specifically that physical beings will fit in that tiny bus? Or are we talking about souls? Last I heard souls were not physical.
It's indoctrination. There is no rationale.
In Catholic grade school, I asked the question. What about the folks who lived before Jesus, or never knew Jesus, what happens to them. The sweet nun calmly told me they will not go to hell, they will live eternally in purgatory.... a sort warm spot between the 2 realms. I was left thinking, how in the world is that fair??
It's control.
I’m Catholic, and, as I understand it, that sweet nun was wrong. Jesus went to hell after he was crucified and he got all those good people out. It says so in the creed! Seriously, all religions—even mine, which I believe in—are human constructs, and therefore flawed. God is infinite love snd therefore greater than any religion.
But my question was, why were they sent there in the first place? It just didn't seem fair to me. Good people should not be punished. And if Jesus went to hell "after" he was crucified, what about the good people who didn't/don't know him "after" his Resurrection? That would be a bunch of people/souls. Is he making daily, weekly, monthly or yearly visit to hell/purgatory to save them?
These are some of the questions I asked in Catholic school which made my teachers ignore my hand raised, sometimes, my hand would be the only hand raised.
You are awesome! The only actual answer to this is twofold: our parish priest said, when I was about 11: “God doesn’t send anyone to hell. It’s completely our choice.” God is love, and we have free will. We can choose to act out of hate and reject love. When we do that, we are already in hell even though we may be—on a material level—safe and prosperous. Hell begins right here in this life. Heaven begins in this life. And we can choose to walk out of the hell of our own making any time. Gif doesn’t put us there.
Which brings me to (drumroll) C.S. Lewis and the second part of the answer (he, btw, was one of the people who explained that life is a continuum). He has Aslan saying “all times are now to me”. And Aslan is his symbol/metaphor for God. We humans live in linear time. God does not. There is no “before” or “after” for the love that made the universe. The good people who died didn’t have to wait at all!
That is what I was taught, and what I believe. The harrowing of hell is a story—a metaphor. Hell itself is a metaphor—though, when you see what evils Israel and the U.S. are doing, it can seem pretty real.
Hope this helps.
While in Catholic College, ha, imagine that, Catholic education all the way through college! I had a Professor who was a Priest and a Historian. He basically debunked much of what had been considered historical in the Bible. He said much of it was allegory and should not be taken literally. He would cross-section the story in the Bible with historical facts. He was a blessing and didn’t mind my questions at all. I can’t remember his name, but he was awesome in that he encouraged critical thinking.
Indeed. God is Love and Love is God.
Humans can be such fools.