again, biology and politics are like oil and water. they do not mix. like religion and science. one can't validate nor invalidate the other. physical/biological/chemical/geological science and mathmatical numbers are apolitical. sure, science and math can be and have been used for financial gains or political agenda, and the scientists as members of a society are as political -- with stakes in political debates -- as the clergymen or the teachers or anyone else. a communist biologist and a capitalist biologist can agree on what the life form, the fetus, the baby, etc are.
what we as a society are willing to accept is the domain of political discussion, not a scientific/biological discussion. this is why "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as two sides of the capitalist-individualist coin -- like the damns and the repugs, no substantive difference -- never excites me into participating in the debate and the fight. in communism, the debate will be entirely different. in capitalism, many women "choose" to go through abortion because they are on their own and want to survive. no one in the same system is qualified to blame them. mind you, that doesn't make those women righteous angels or super smarter heroes. just human beings caught in the machine.
Religion is what started science though, it was a religious person who invented the scientific method. It was a Muslim scientist called Ibn al-Haytham.)
a religious person can be a scientist at once. the two, religion and science, do not collide or invalidate the other as they exist in two dimensions that never meet. that doesn't mean his/her religion created science. s/he discovered a scientific universe, apart from his/her religious universe. i doubt one person "created" a scientific universe.
I hit reply not like on your comment but for some reason I cannot remove the like as I do not agree with your separation of science and religion/spirituality.
Science ilike quantum physics is getting closer to understanding many spiritual and religious beliefs. All is Consciousness. It is an Aware and mysterious Universe. The field is the thing. Everything is connected. When we get this we will stop hurting ourselves, our collective self.
i wouldn't have bothered to write a comment unless many people including yourself mix unmixable things up and build a career, often very lucrative ones, on the intellectual mess that they themselves created, proclaiming that the problem in question is unsolvable and simply mysterious but we're getting closer everyday to the truth. sound familiar?
Not familiar at all. Science is a method of inquiry. How is spiritual inquiry so different? We ask questions and seek evidence and even do experiments. The overlap has always been there... an attempt to understand the universe. A mystery is something we do not understand... yet. Science, material, quantum or spiritual leads us to understanding.
science isn't jsut a method of inquiry . science immediately involves various subject matters to inquire into, from physical matters to biological entities, from chemical substances to geological masses. philosophy is also called science (vis a vis ideology), a method of inquiry, or a systematic way of studying and understanfing, and its subject matter is human society, aka history. mathmatics, in general, is a pure logic. without getting into details, knowing the difference (in subject matter) among those three (material science, social science, pure logic) helps you understand where people get all confused and lost. not doing so brought post-everything-isms, neoliberalism, and identify politics, which have served the capitalist-imperialist-zionist agenda very well.
again, biology and politics are like oil and water. they do not mix. like religion and science. one can't validate nor invalidate the other. physical/biological/chemical/geological science and mathmatical numbers are apolitical. sure, science and math can be and have been used for financial gains or political agenda, and the scientists as members of a society are as political -- with stakes in political debates -- as the clergymen or the teachers or anyone else. a communist biologist and a capitalist biologist can agree on what the life form, the fetus, the baby, etc are.
what we as a society are willing to accept is the domain of political discussion, not a scientific/biological discussion. this is why "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as two sides of the capitalist-individualist coin -- like the damns and the repugs, no substantive difference -- never excites me into participating in the debate and the fight. in communism, the debate will be entirely different. in capitalism, many women "choose" to go through abortion because they are on their own and want to survive. no one in the same system is qualified to blame them. mind you, that doesn't make those women righteous angels or super smarter heroes. just human beings caught in the machine.
Religion is what started science though, it was a religious person who invented the scientific method. It was a Muslim scientist called Ibn al-Haytham.)
a religious person can be a scientist at once. the two, religion and science, do not collide or invalidate the other as they exist in two dimensions that never meet. that doesn't mean his/her religion created science. s/he discovered a scientific universe, apart from his/her religious universe. i doubt one person "created" a scientific universe.
I hit reply not like on your comment but for some reason I cannot remove the like as I do not agree with your separation of science and religion/spirituality.
Science ilike quantum physics is getting closer to understanding many spiritual and religious beliefs. All is Consciousness. It is an Aware and mysterious Universe. The field is the thing. Everything is connected. When we get this we will stop hurting ourselves, our collective self.
i wouldn't have bothered to write a comment unless many people including yourself mix unmixable things up and build a career, often very lucrative ones, on the intellectual mess that they themselves created, proclaiming that the problem in question is unsolvable and simply mysterious but we're getting closer everyday to the truth. sound familiar?
I have no career in any of this. I have explored consciousness and been an activist.
Not familiar at all. Science is a method of inquiry. How is spiritual inquiry so different? We ask questions and seek evidence and even do experiments. The overlap has always been there... an attempt to understand the universe. A mystery is something we do not understand... yet. Science, material, quantum or spiritual leads us to understanding.
science isn't jsut a method of inquiry . science immediately involves various subject matters to inquire into, from physical matters to biological entities, from chemical substances to geological masses. philosophy is also called science (vis a vis ideology), a method of inquiry, or a systematic way of studying and understanfing, and its subject matter is human society, aka history. mathmatics, in general, is a pure logic. without getting into details, knowing the difference (in subject matter) among those three (material science, social science, pure logic) helps you understand where people get all confused and lost. not doing so brought post-everything-isms, neoliberalism, and identify politics, which have served the capitalist-imperialist-zionist agenda very well.
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