From a purely physical perspective, abortion only affects the woman having it performed. Not so with COVFEFE-45. Your choice because it's your body to forgo preventative containment of a deadly virus affects more than just you physically.
Abortion absolutely impacts society in so many ways, would you also say that homelessness or crime or drug use don't impact society in any way ? Those are personal choices with personal results but the larger society has to deal with them. If a junkie dies from an OD, society has to pick up the body. The homeless guy decision to live in a tent may be his decision but society has to deal with his waste on the sidewalk.
You really are a scumbag. For people born into poverty, there are few if any options and choices. Yeah, the above are choices for those, like yourself, who are born into privilege and entitlement. They are pretty much fate for those who aren't born into privilege and entitlement.
I'd love to educate you, but you seem unwilling to learn anything. This is also the apparent case with your views on abortion and women, too, I imagine. I would guess that you spend a LOT of your time arguing because almost everything you say sounds like it's coming straight out of MSNBC.
Yes, please educate me. Tell me about the Med Beds and the tunnel the Vatican has built to Israel underneath the Mediterranean that is two tractor trailers wide and full of gold.
That’s your ideology. You will need to change the nature of the countries laws and societies values to make medical coercion acceptable. Currently that is not how things are here, this new paradigm would require a national conversation and mass acceptance
you dismiss my "ideology" when we're discussing a law that has just been changed because my "ideology" doesn't align with the current law? eat the cake and have it too.
Yep, even then. If a man wants to get a tattoo of a swastika, he has the right to do that, even though a lot of people would object to it, strongly. But nobody tells that man he cannot do it, because it's his body, his right. Only women seem to have to FIGHT for the rights to control what happens to their own bodies.
What does consequence have to do with the ideology of bodily autonomy.
There are also wide ranging societal impacts to pro life or pro choice. Neither vaccines nor abortion affect merely the individual.
Bodily autonomy trumps all
Are you serious? Abortion certainly only affects the individual.
Are you serious?
From a purely physical perspective, abortion only affects the woman having it performed. Not so with COVFEFE-45. Your choice because it's your body to forgo preventative containment of a deadly virus affects more than just you physically.
Abortion absolutely impacts society in so many ways, would you also say that homelessness or crime or drug use don't impact society in any way ? Those are personal choices with personal results but the larger society has to deal with them. If a junkie dies from an OD, society has to pick up the body. The homeless guy decision to live in a tent may be his decision but society has to deal with his waste on the sidewalk.
You really are a scumbag. For people born into poverty, there are few if any options and choices. Yeah, the above are choices for those, like yourself, who are born into privilege and entitlement. They are pretty much fate for those who aren't born into privilege and entitlement.
And don't tell me you're not Bob. You certainly are Bob. Bob Barr, in fact, or his facsimile.
Someone who wished violence and death on me tells me I am a scumbag and I am supposed to give a fuck about your opinion ?
I'd love to educate you, but you seem unwilling to learn anything. This is also the apparent case with your views on abortion and women, too, I imagine. I would guess that you spend a LOT of your time arguing because almost everything you say sounds like it's coming straight out of MSNBC.
Yes, please educate me. Tell me about the Med Beds and the tunnel the Vatican has built to Israel underneath the Mediterranean that is two tractor trailers wide and full of gold.
A great way to be taken seriously is to decide what your principles are, then apply it to all situations and all people
All principles are not equal, what matters is absolute truth: https://youtu.be/Kjjzeib69FQ
Tried that. It doesn't work either. Nobody cares about principles except as lip service.
You care, I care
Societal behaviours definitely affects me too
Physically, financially, mentally
not when what you do with your own body affects others.
That’s your ideology. You will need to change the nature of the countries laws and societies values to make medical coercion acceptable. Currently that is not how things are here, this new paradigm would require a national conversation and mass acceptance
I value personal autonomy above safety. therefore, without a reasonable compromise, we will always infringe upon each other
“I value personal autonomy above safety.”
YOUR safety, not others safety when you can spread Covid to them and mutate Covid to make it resistant to Vaccines.
Even though it’s irrelevant.
Are you referring to the vaccinated or the unvaccinated? I always have trouble telling the difference
You cannot "spread" Covid.
you dismiss my "ideology" when we're discussing a law that has just been changed because my "ideology" doesn't align with the current law? eat the cake and have it too.
I’m not dismissing it, it is just as valid as mine
For all I know, the trade offs engendered by your ideologies may be better in the long term for society.
With my limited view, I simply don’t see it that way
Yep, even then. If a man wants to get a tattoo of a swastika, he has the right to do that, even though a lot of people would object to it, strongly. But nobody tells that man he cannot do it, because it's his body, his right. Only women seem to have to FIGHT for the rights to control what happens to their own bodies.
now you're equating a tattoo with a (potential) baby? desperate much?
No, YOU'RE equating it. No, not desperate at all. Just want what's right.
you know not what you're doing eh?
Sure I do. I know exactly what I'm doing. I'm trying to have an adult conversation with a bunch of children.
This would explain the need of so many boys in grownup bodies to feel they should control other people. *YAWN*