Please read Yasha Levine's very well researched articles before we continue this conversation. If they are paywalled, that's an issue I may not be able to resolve fairly. But as a Jew himself - albeit a left-leaning non-practicing Jew - he has done the deep dives into the texts and produced his own translations of some of them. It is his contention that Zionism - insofar as the notion that Jews are promised a SPECIFIC piece of real estate on Earth (something no other religion deigns to do) - is a core part of the dominant strain of Israeli and diaspora Judaism.
I get what you're trying to say, as it isn't rocket science and I see it every day, but as Caitlyn noted, the Israelis have done more to amplify anti-Jew thought around the world than any white supremo website could ever have hoped. And as long as I (or we) are not talking about shipping Jews off to camps or hurting them, intellectual rigor requires the honest reading of the texts and juxtaposing that with the actions and words of Zionists as well as Jews who claim not to be Zionist, but "support Israel's right to exist" - a mutually incompatible set of circumstances with only one real set of solutions: Ending the state of Israel insofar as it is an ethnosupremacist Jewish state with special rights for Jews or giving the Palestinians their own country on land currently controlled by the Zionists. The first step down that road is ascertaining what actual diaspora Jews and the governments in countries where they live and have influence are willing to say or do about it.
Well said and as Gideon Levy makes clear and I am talking about, the beliefs of Israelis and indeed their supporters is the welding together of Judaism, Zionism and Jewish beliefs.
Not sure what your point is or what you are trying to get across. No cultures are monolithic. No people are monolithic. Not Muslims, not Christians, not Jews, not Hindus, not even atheists.
To not be able to differentiate between Jews (tribe, not race), Judaism (religion) and Zionism (political ideology) is EXACTLY what the supporters of Israel (and Zionism) want to do.
There are many Jewish groups (in many Western countries) that are pro-Palestine and anti-genocide. There are also many Jewish groups that are anti-Palestine and pro-genocide. To NOT be able to distinguish and differentiate between these groups is a MISTAKE - not only for Jews (which is not really my concern now), but more so for the Palestinians and ALL that fight for the Palestinians.
Why is it important to differentiate between these Jewish groups with different loyalties and moralities? Because the Pro-Palestine and anti-Genocide groups (Jewish or otherwise) are ON THE SAME SIDE.
Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? If I were a Palestinian, I could use ALL THE HELP I could get - whether it comes from Jews or Christians or Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists or Atheists or whatever.
Let me make a much shorter and to-the-point comment: This genocide situation and the problem of the Palestinians displaced, stolen from and murdered in a multi-state sanctioned campaign is something for ONE group to fix. Namely, diaspora and Israeli Jews and their most fervent supporters. ONLY massive Jewish anti-Zionist actions and statements can stop this and set us back on the right path. It has nothing to do with Hindus, Muslims, Christians (except those Zionist ones), etc. Worldwide, but specifically Western and Israeli Jewry need to stand up and say "ENOUGH and STOP - Let's engage in good faith and with honest intentions." Until then, this IS a Jewish problem whether you like it or not.
>>"ONLY massive Jewish anti-Zionist actions and statements can stop this and set us back on the right path."
And you know this how? Jews are a minority of the population. They alone cannot and will not be able to stop the Pro-Israel Zionists. They need our support and we need their support. It is that simple.
And it has to do with EVERY person on earth - whether Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Atheist or something else. We ALL need to UNITE. Leaving the anti-Zionists to do this (according to your probability calculations) is not only folly, but a strategy of asssured failure.
That you do not get this simple concept is astounding to me.
Nope. There is no other state on earth with the backing and direction of a small but very influential minority in other western post-colonial/imperial state(s) that openly agitates for the existence of a mono-theocratic race-based society in a SPECIFIC piece of real estate "promised" to them by their god.
Your apparent issue is that you cannot fathom that you're arguing with someone who loathes and detests thought such as what's promulgated at The Daily Stormer. You're not equipped to have an honest, rational debate about the situation with western Judaism and its inextricable link to the holocaust happening in Gaza. You want simple, black-or-white, right-or-wrong easy moral put-down contests. That isn't the case here.
There has been a strong movement to say, it is Zionism not Jews but that is bullshit. Most Jews I know in Australia have sent their kids to happy camps in Israel and friggin Occupied Palestine, as have many, probably most American Jews.
Who is going to argue that anyone will send their child to another country without making the effort to find out what is at work there? Only the truly stupid would not do so.
Nope - understand that it is CAPITALISM that enables this imperialism. It is Western powers that enables this. It is the U.S. Empire that enables this.
And if you imply that Zionists control the world and the U.S., then I guess we have nothing to talk about as you could believe such a thing only if you don't understand how Capitalism works.
Nope - I am a well read and trained Marxist thinker. So once again you're wrong and undeniably so. Capitalism IS the problem, but that isn't what's at issue with Israel, Palestine and the US Empire's support. What resources or exploitable labor force - in the grand scheme of things - does Israel have? And why are there no Muslim, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Venezuelan (all countries WITH exploitable resources) 'thought leaders' in the US-EU with representation among the power elite [media, government, banking-finance, entertainment, social capital] WAY outside their physical numbers?
You're in denial. That's not an Internet insult. It's an honest observation. Jews in the West are fully capable of ending this industrial scale slaughter. If you deny that then you're either deliberately being obfuscatory or you are not up to speed on reality.
>>"Jews in the West are fully capable of ending this industrial scale slaughter"
You are funny, aren't you?
Dream on and continue living in your own unrealistic universe. Believe whatever narratives you wish to believe that continue keeping you in 'whatever state you seem to be in'.
>>"Jews in the West are fully capable of ending this industrial scale slaughter"
Please don't continue making a fool of yourself with such statements - or do if you wish.
Duly noted that you didn't even TRY to refute anything I said. You just issued stupid denials and not-so-veiled insults.
It's pretty easy to see why that moron "russian bot" saw you as prime target material for trolling. You just put out a bunch of strident bullshit without engaging on any of the more nuanced and difficult tenets of any given subject - unless the person to whom you're talking appears to agree with you de facto and de juris.
Try harder, Chang because while I'm not a sensitive cunt who will block you, I am on the verge of ignoring you pretty shortly here barring a substantive rebuttal or genuine attempt at discussion.
A major problem and indeed handicap to addressing the genocide in Palestine over 77 years is that it did and it does involve Judaism and Jews.
People have been reluctant to say that until the even greater horrors of the past 20 months but, as you say, and as I have said, Jews must stand up and be accountable and responsible for what has been done and is still being done in their name and the name of their religion.
The fact that Israeli atrocities create a situation where some people will blame all Jews for the actions of many and their fanatics does not bother Zionism or the Israelis because the more Jews are held accountable, blamed, then the more they scream anti-semitism and it justifies their paranoia and their delusion that they need their own State to survive.
It is only by the power of enough Jews taking a stand against the evil that is Israel and their own Jewish, Israeli and Zionist power agendas which have infiltrated Government, politics and media that the sewer which is Israel can be flushed clean and replaced.
I don't see it STRICTLY as a Jewish problem. Clearly what is being done to the Palestinians is, since it is being perpetrated by Jewish people. However, I see it more as a worldwide problem. All cultures witnessing what is happening are suffering, for the Palestinians, but also they are killing something precious within themselves for not standing up and speaking out about such horror. No, I don't think there is a lot that we can do, but we can do something. Clearly there is no indication that the Israeli government is going to solve their problem outside of genocide or expulsion. And just as clearly, the US will continue to send them all the weapons they need to destroy the Palestinians and their culture. Here at home AIPAC is not going to stand up one fine day and say, "Hey, this is immoral, we need to stop it." Nor will they stop threatening our institutions of higher learning w removal of funding unless they bring severe repercussions to those students who are protesting on behalf of the Palestinian cause. So, it does seem to me that the solution depends upon those outside the Jewish community as well as those within, and we should join the ranks of student protests demanding a reform to the apartheid state and that we divest from Israeli businesses. The growth of anti-Israel sentiment, divestment, and the halt in money and weapons to Israel are among the incentives of use.
Chang, let me make what may be a very uncomfortable to hear statement. It needs to be said. And I'll preface it with what I feel is needed and added context.
Jews occupy a rarified place politically, in media, finance, entertainment and government here in the west - especially considering they are 2-3% of the population, total. They have outsized influence compared to their numbers.
Back during the early to middle days of the BS US-led GWOT, many rightwingers and Jews made statements like "Well where are the GOOD Muslims standing up and speaking out against terrorism?!" Due to their elevated and outsized presence and platform, this was not an uncommon thing to see and hear Zionists, their supporters and many Jews on the right and center state. Yet Muslims had almost no voice and the acts of "terror" were fraught with credible allegations of fakery, misattribution, provocation and even false flags.
So my point is this: Western Jewry has a problem to confront given all of the above. As I noted, some very vocal and very ethically consistent members of "the tribe" (not my words, but used by you and others) are doing a great job and suffering persecution and excommunication. JVFP, B'Tselem, etc...again.
But western Judaism - the majority - strike me as both uniquely positioned and uniquely qualified to call out Israel's ongoing literal genocide being carried out in THEIR names. And yet, we can cite poll after poll, action after action, and inaction after inaction of a supposedly peace-based religion (but again, also "ethnic group") to demonstrate that not only are they NOT speaking out, but that they are using their position(s) to apologize or brush under the rug an actual, large scale GENOCIDE. NOT a few "terror" attacks which always seem to be immediately blamed on Muslims/Islam, but a live streamed, US-EU aided full scale ethnic cleansing/starvation/genocide being carried out ostensibly to protect a religious/ethnic group with great clout and power from one which has either virtually no power or clout or is infested with collaborationists like the Gulf Monarchies.
To put it shortly and bluntly, in light of research/commentary such as Yasha Levine's, Western Judaism has a real problem on their hands and so does Israel and its supporters. A real, legitimate, uncontestable problem. No other religion/ethnicity with that much clout, that big a platform, that much buy-in from western (current and former) colonialist/imperialist metropoles or governments, and if you continue to deny this, then you're part of the problem. People like Yasha Levine ARE NOT. And talking about or debating things is NOT the same as sending people to die in concentration camps (ala the Holocaust Industry - Norm Finkelstein - another Jew) or talking about expelling "Jews" from our countries.
Thank you. And to summarize the problem from another angle, as much as it sucks that it's the truth - both the slavery situation and civil rights movements would never have been resolved to any sufficient degree without WHITE people in the US either fighting the Confederates with guns or marching with the Black folks during the massive demonstrations, risking all of their lives. My point is that Jews are the only - THE ONLY - group of people in this world, however you define "the Jews" - who can truly give the needed momentum to the campaign to end the Israeli Zionist occupation of Palestine in a just and mutually agreed upon manner. By no means am I taking away the agency of remarkable Black people from the unknown to those such as Malcolm X and MLK Jr. It was THEIR fight and Jewish people were a huge part in the white contingent.
But until a sizeable portion of JEWS in the West and Israel stand up against what's happening in Palestine, then yes. Given all of the above context - this GENOCIDE is a JEWISH problem and not just an imperial one!
If one cannot differentiate between Jews, Judaism, and Zionism (and nuance is required here - as there are overlaps and intersections and unions of all sorts - I'm referring to Venn Diagrams from Set Theory here), then they are making a mistake that is going to hurt Palestinians (and Muslims) in the present and the future.
Regardless of WHATEVER text you read or whomever you follow or whomever you quote, NO CULTURE ON EARTH is monolithic. Period. The world is too complex, people are too complex, human societies and cultures are too complex to believe in ANY monolithic narratives. Inspite of all this, people continue being lazy and believing simplistic narratives and refusing to differentiate between the permutations and combinations of all these groupings (Jewish or otherwise).
Just as Israelis confuse and conflate and propagandize their narratives to their advantage, there are many Zionists (including Christian Zionists) that do the same.
If you are on the side of the Palestinians (and I mean TRULY on the side of the Palestinians for the sake of Palestines and for no other reason), then you (and I mean EVERYONE) MUST make these distinctions.
I don't really need to read what Yasha Levine wrote.
Like I said before, if you don't understand SIMPLE LOGIC (and I know you have a hard time with logic based on some of your other beliefs), then it doesn't matter what you read.
You're just like russian bot. Both of you just linger and loiter here constantly to get a serotonin or dopamine hit from "likes" and what not. You happen to be a little more agreeable to me on most things, but ultimately you're a self-styled Internet comment warrior, aka "The Guy Who's Always Right!" - It's tiresome and pointless. Try HARDER!
Political Zionism is a new animal, that didn't exist from the time of the Bar Kochba rebellion against the Romans, until the era of Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank. They had minimal influence within Judaism. Jewish faith and tradition spoke specifically to the coming of the Messiah - who would return all Jews to the Promised Land, in a divine fashion, "on the wings of eagles", thereby ending the EXILE. There was to be no activity by the Jewish people, in furthering this, on a political or practical level. Only prayer and righteousness was to be required, in order to get the Almighty to fulfill the long held aspirational goals of spiritual Zionism. Being some kind of secular/atheist - Yasha isn't really in his depth here.
The Exile and Diaspora are a punishment for stiff-necked, wickedness, worshiping false gods and idolatry. The Prophets warned, but the people wouldn't listen. Political Zionism is just another Golden Calf, for the modern era. There's zero in the Torah about David having a Star. Solomon had a "seal". The two triangles in occult teachings mean "as above, so below". However, in Leviticus and Amos, there is mentioned a "Star of Remphan" - which is another name for Saturn. And sure enough, if you look at one of the poles of Saturn, it has a 6 pointed star, that you may decide looks familiar. Saturn is also known as Chiun, and Moloch.
Please read Yasha Levine's very well researched articles before we continue this conversation. If they are paywalled, that's an issue I may not be able to resolve fairly. But as a Jew himself - albeit a left-leaning non-practicing Jew - he has done the deep dives into the texts and produced his own translations of some of them. It is his contention that Zionism - insofar as the notion that Jews are promised a SPECIFIC piece of real estate on Earth (something no other religion deigns to do) - is a core part of the dominant strain of Israeli and diaspora Judaism.
I get what you're trying to say, as it isn't rocket science and I see it every day, but as Caitlyn noted, the Israelis have done more to amplify anti-Jew thought around the world than any white supremo website could ever have hoped. And as long as I (or we) are not talking about shipping Jews off to camps or hurting them, intellectual rigor requires the honest reading of the texts and juxtaposing that with the actions and words of Zionists as well as Jews who claim not to be Zionist, but "support Israel's right to exist" - a mutually incompatible set of circumstances with only one real set of solutions: Ending the state of Israel insofar as it is an ethnosupremacist Jewish state with special rights for Jews or giving the Palestinians their own country on land currently controlled by the Zionists. The first step down that road is ascertaining what actual diaspora Jews and the governments in countries where they live and have influence are willing to say or do about it.
Well said and as Gideon Levy makes clear and I am talking about, the beliefs of Israelis and indeed their supporters is the welding together of Judaism, Zionism and Jewish beliefs.
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Not sure what your point is or what you are trying to get across. No cultures are monolithic. No people are monolithic. Not Muslims, not Christians, not Jews, not Hindus, not even atheists.
To not be able to differentiate between Jews (tribe, not race), Judaism (religion) and Zionism (political ideology) is EXACTLY what the supporters of Israel (and Zionism) want to do.
There are many Jewish groups (in many Western countries) that are pro-Palestine and anti-genocide. There are also many Jewish groups that are anti-Palestine and pro-genocide. To NOT be able to distinguish and differentiate between these groups is a MISTAKE - not only for Jews (which is not really my concern now), but more so for the Palestinians and ALL that fight for the Palestinians.
Why is it important to differentiate between these Jewish groups with different loyalties and moralities? Because the Pro-Palestine and anti-Genocide groups (Jewish or otherwise) are ON THE SAME SIDE.
Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? If I were a Palestinian, I could use ALL THE HELP I could get - whether it comes from Jews or Christians or Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists or Atheists or whatever.
Chang,
Let me make a much shorter and to-the-point comment: This genocide situation and the problem of the Palestinians displaced, stolen from and murdered in a multi-state sanctioned campaign is something for ONE group to fix. Namely, diaspora and Israeli Jews and their most fervent supporters. ONLY massive Jewish anti-Zionist actions and statements can stop this and set us back on the right path. It has nothing to do with Hindus, Muslims, Christians (except those Zionist ones), etc. Worldwide, but specifically Western and Israeli Jewry need to stand up and say "ENOUGH and STOP - Let's engage in good faith and with honest intentions." Until then, this IS a Jewish problem whether you like it or not.
>>"ONLY massive Jewish anti-Zionist actions and statements can stop this and set us back on the right path."
And you know this how? Jews are a minority of the population. They alone cannot and will not be able to stop the Pro-Israel Zionists. They need our support and we need their support. It is that simple.
And it has to do with EVERY person on earth - whether Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Atheist or something else. We ALL need to UNITE. Leaving the anti-Zionists to do this (according to your probability calculations) is not only folly, but a strategy of asssured failure.
That you do not get this simple concept is astounding to me.
Nope. There is no other state on earth with the backing and direction of a small but very influential minority in other western post-colonial/imperial state(s) that openly agitates for the existence of a mono-theocratic race-based society in a SPECIFIC piece of real estate "promised" to them by their god.
Your apparent issue is that you cannot fathom that you're arguing with someone who loathes and detests thought such as what's promulgated at The Daily Stormer. You're not equipped to have an honest, rational debate about the situation with western Judaism and its inextricable link to the holocaust happening in Gaza. You want simple, black-or-white, right-or-wrong easy moral put-down contests. That isn't the case here.
There has been a strong movement to say, it is Zionism not Jews but that is bullshit. Most Jews I know in Australia have sent their kids to happy camps in Israel and friggin Occupied Palestine, as have many, probably most American Jews.
Who is going to argue that anyone will send their child to another country without making the effort to find out what is at work there? Only the truly stupid would not do so.
Nope - understand that it is CAPITALISM that enables this imperialism. It is Western powers that enables this. It is the U.S. Empire that enables this.
And if you imply that Zionists control the world and the U.S., then I guess we have nothing to talk about as you could believe such a thing only if you don't understand how Capitalism works.
Nope - I am a well read and trained Marxist thinker. So once again you're wrong and undeniably so. Capitalism IS the problem, but that isn't what's at issue with Israel, Palestine and the US Empire's support. What resources or exploitable labor force - in the grand scheme of things - does Israel have? And why are there no Muslim, Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Venezuelan (all countries WITH exploitable resources) 'thought leaders' in the US-EU with representation among the power elite [media, government, banking-finance, entertainment, social capital] WAY outside their physical numbers?
Why, Chang?
You're in denial. That's not an Internet insult. It's an honest observation. Jews in the West are fully capable of ending this industrial scale slaughter. If you deny that then you're either deliberately being obfuscatory or you are not up to speed on reality.
>>"Jews in the West are fully capable of ending this industrial scale slaughter"
You are funny, aren't you?
Dream on and continue living in your own unrealistic universe. Believe whatever narratives you wish to believe that continue keeping you in 'whatever state you seem to be in'.
>>"Jews in the West are fully capable of ending this industrial scale slaughter"
Please don't continue making a fool of yourself with such statements - or do if you wish.
Duly noted that you didn't even TRY to refute anything I said. You just issued stupid denials and not-so-veiled insults.
It's pretty easy to see why that moron "russian bot" saw you as prime target material for trolling. You just put out a bunch of strident bullshit without engaging on any of the more nuanced and difficult tenets of any given subject - unless the person to whom you're talking appears to agree with you de facto and de juris.
Try harder, Chang because while I'm not a sensitive cunt who will block you, I am on the verge of ignoring you pretty shortly here barring a substantive rebuttal or genuine attempt at discussion.
A major problem and indeed handicap to addressing the genocide in Palestine over 77 years is that it did and it does involve Judaism and Jews.
People have been reluctant to say that until the even greater horrors of the past 20 months but, as you say, and as I have said, Jews must stand up and be accountable and responsible for what has been done and is still being done in their name and the name of their religion.
The fact that Israeli atrocities create a situation where some people will blame all Jews for the actions of many and their fanatics does not bother Zionism or the Israelis because the more Jews are held accountable, blamed, then the more they scream anti-semitism and it justifies their paranoia and their delusion that they need their own State to survive.
It is only by the power of enough Jews taking a stand against the evil that is Israel and their own Jewish, Israeli and Zionist power agendas which have infiltrated Government, politics and media that the sewer which is Israel can be flushed clean and replaced.
I don't see it STRICTLY as a Jewish problem. Clearly what is being done to the Palestinians is, since it is being perpetrated by Jewish people. However, I see it more as a worldwide problem. All cultures witnessing what is happening are suffering, for the Palestinians, but also they are killing something precious within themselves for not standing up and speaking out about such horror. No, I don't think there is a lot that we can do, but we can do something. Clearly there is no indication that the Israeli government is going to solve their problem outside of genocide or expulsion. And just as clearly, the US will continue to send them all the weapons they need to destroy the Palestinians and their culture. Here at home AIPAC is not going to stand up one fine day and say, "Hey, this is immoral, we need to stop it." Nor will they stop threatening our institutions of higher learning w removal of funding unless they bring severe repercussions to those students who are protesting on behalf of the Palestinian cause. So, it does seem to me that the solution depends upon those outside the Jewish community as well as those within, and we should join the ranks of student protests demanding a reform to the apartheid state and that we divest from Israeli businesses. The growth of anti-Israel sentiment, divestment, and the halt in money and weapons to Israel are among the incentives of use.
The bible says thou shalt not kill. Funny how so many ignore that.
Chang, let me make what may be a very uncomfortable to hear statement. It needs to be said. And I'll preface it with what I feel is needed and added context.
Jews occupy a rarified place politically, in media, finance, entertainment and government here in the west - especially considering they are 2-3% of the population, total. They have outsized influence compared to their numbers.
Back during the early to middle days of the BS US-led GWOT, many rightwingers and Jews made statements like "Well where are the GOOD Muslims standing up and speaking out against terrorism?!" Due to their elevated and outsized presence and platform, this was not an uncommon thing to see and hear Zionists, their supporters and many Jews on the right and center state. Yet Muslims had almost no voice and the acts of "terror" were fraught with credible allegations of fakery, misattribution, provocation and even false flags.
So my point is this: Western Jewry has a problem to confront given all of the above. As I noted, some very vocal and very ethically consistent members of "the tribe" (not my words, but used by you and others) are doing a great job and suffering persecution and excommunication. JVFP, B'Tselem, etc...again.
But western Judaism - the majority - strike me as both uniquely positioned and uniquely qualified to call out Israel's ongoing literal genocide being carried out in THEIR names. And yet, we can cite poll after poll, action after action, and inaction after inaction of a supposedly peace-based religion (but again, also "ethnic group") to demonstrate that not only are they NOT speaking out, but that they are using their position(s) to apologize or brush under the rug an actual, large scale GENOCIDE. NOT a few "terror" attacks which always seem to be immediately blamed on Muslims/Islam, but a live streamed, US-EU aided full scale ethnic cleansing/starvation/genocide being carried out ostensibly to protect a religious/ethnic group with great clout and power from one which has either virtually no power or clout or is infested with collaborationists like the Gulf Monarchies.
To put it shortly and bluntly, in light of research/commentary such as Yasha Levine's, Western Judaism has a real problem on their hands and so does Israel and its supporters. A real, legitimate, uncontestable problem. No other religion/ethnicity with that much clout, that big a platform, that much buy-in from western (current and former) colonialist/imperialist metropoles or governments, and if you continue to deny this, then you're part of the problem. People like Yasha Levine ARE NOT. And talking about or debating things is NOT the same as sending people to die in concentration camps (ala the Holocaust Industry - Norm Finkelstein - another Jew) or talking about expelling "Jews" from our countries.
Eloquently and succinctly put.
Thank you. And to summarize the problem from another angle, as much as it sucks that it's the truth - both the slavery situation and civil rights movements would never have been resolved to any sufficient degree without WHITE people in the US either fighting the Confederates with guns or marching with the Black folks during the massive demonstrations, risking all of their lives. My point is that Jews are the only - THE ONLY - group of people in this world, however you define "the Jews" - who can truly give the needed momentum to the campaign to end the Israeli Zionist occupation of Palestine in a just and mutually agreed upon manner. By no means am I taking away the agency of remarkable Black people from the unknown to those such as Malcolm X and MLK Jr. It was THEIR fight and Jewish people were a huge part in the white contingent.
But until a sizeable portion of JEWS in the West and Israel stand up against what's happening in Palestine, then yes. Given all of the above context - this GENOCIDE is a JEWISH problem and not just an imperial one!
Totally agree. Your conclusions are sourced in facts, reason and reality.
Tom - it's REALLY SIMPLE, really.
If one cannot differentiate between Jews, Judaism, and Zionism (and nuance is required here - as there are overlaps and intersections and unions of all sorts - I'm referring to Venn Diagrams from Set Theory here), then they are making a mistake that is going to hurt Palestinians (and Muslims) in the present and the future.
Regardless of WHATEVER text you read or whomever you follow or whomever you quote, NO CULTURE ON EARTH is monolithic. Period. The world is too complex, people are too complex, human societies and cultures are too complex to believe in ANY monolithic narratives. Inspite of all this, people continue being lazy and believing simplistic narratives and refusing to differentiate between the permutations and combinations of all these groupings (Jewish or otherwise).
Just as Israelis confuse and conflate and propagandize their narratives to their advantage, there are many Zionists (including Christian Zionists) that do the same.
If you are on the side of the Palestinians (and I mean TRULY on the side of the Palestinians for the sake of Palestines and for no other reason), then you (and I mean EVERYONE) MUST make these distinctions.
Sorry but that doesn't address what I said at all. See my more recent reply and let me know if you ACTUALLY read what Yasha Levine wrote!
I don't really need to read what Yasha Levine wrote.
Like I said before, if you don't understand SIMPLE LOGIC (and I know you have a hard time with logic based on some of your other beliefs), then it doesn't matter what you read.
You're just like russian bot. Both of you just linger and loiter here constantly to get a serotonin or dopamine hit from "likes" and what not. You happen to be a little more agreeable to me on most things, but ultimately you're a self-styled Internet comment warrior, aka "The Guy Who's Always Right!" - It's tiresome and pointless. Try HARDER!
Political Zionism is a new animal, that didn't exist from the time of the Bar Kochba rebellion against the Romans, until the era of Sabbatai Zevi and Jacob Frank. They had minimal influence within Judaism. Jewish faith and tradition spoke specifically to the coming of the Messiah - who would return all Jews to the Promised Land, in a divine fashion, "on the wings of eagles", thereby ending the EXILE. There was to be no activity by the Jewish people, in furthering this, on a political or practical level. Only prayer and righteousness was to be required, in order to get the Almighty to fulfill the long held aspirational goals of spiritual Zionism. Being some kind of secular/atheist - Yasha isn't really in his depth here.
The Exile and Diaspora are a punishment for stiff-necked, wickedness, worshiping false gods and idolatry. The Prophets warned, but the people wouldn't listen. Political Zionism is just another Golden Calf, for the modern era. There's zero in the Torah about David having a Star. Solomon had a "seal". The two triangles in occult teachings mean "as above, so below". However, in Leviticus and Amos, there is mentioned a "Star of Remphan" - which is another name for Saturn. And sure enough, if you look at one of the poles of Saturn, it has a 6 pointed star, that you may decide looks familiar. Saturn is also known as Chiun, and Moloch.