Wow - you really are moving the goalpost (and your argument) aren't you?
First -> You talk about PEACE by "The same can be done in Palestine if the USA puts manners on the Israeli bully".
Second -> Then you changed YOUR STORY to "When I say put manners I mean remove all financial and military support for Israel." NO, "putting manners on the Israeli bully" DOES NOT translate into your second comment (but maybe it does in your head?)
Third -> I say that PEACE is not possible. Now you change YOUR STORY to "I specifically said that the zionist cult has to be outlawed or gotten rid of completely if the world is to avoid a WW3 nevermind achieve peace and an independent homeland for the Palestinians."
NO, you not only DID NOT specifically say anything of the sort in YOUR comment (1) and (2), you said things that are the OPPOSITE of comment (3).
Look at the difference between comment #1 and comment #3 ->
Comment #1 ->"conflict in the North of Ireland could never be resolved as it had been going on for decades but people of goodwill got around a table and sat down to talk with each other like fellow humans and hey presto out of it came a peaceful solution. The same can be done in Palestine if the USA puts manners on the Israeli bully!"
Comment #3 -> "I specifically said that the zionist cult has to be outlawed or gotten rid of completely if the world is to avoid a WW3 nevermind achieve peace and an independent homeland for the Palestinians."
So you went from "...achieve peace by USA putting manners on the Israeli bully" TO "the zionist cult has to be outlawed or gotten rid of completely if the world is to avoid a WW3 nevermind achieve peace..."
I made it very clear what I meant when I said that the USA had to put manners on the zionist Israelis by removing all financial and military aid to the apartheid Israeli state and if you can't comprehend that then that's your problem not mine! Good luck and good bye.
You just can't accept my solution to end the conflict in Gaza, Palestine and the Middle East which is that the USA should stop supporting the zionist apartheid state of Israel both financially and militarily and make them a pariah on earth because of their genocidal actions in Gaza. Until the the USA stops enabling Israel in the slaughtering of innocent people then it will not stop. The USA should plug on the Israeli state today not tomorrow or next week!
Tom Fitzgerald - I think you're misunderstanding this whole conversation (and it's turning stupid anyways).
I AGREE with EVERYTHING you say in THIS comment. My issue is NOT with your most recent comment (about stopping financial and military aid - which is a necessary step albeit an improbable one). My issue is NOT with "removing the zionist cult" (which is also needed - but I doubt there is a way to actually achieve it). My issue is NOT with completely annihilating Israel (which I believe may need to happen).
My issue is with YOUR comment about "bringing a peaceful solution between Israel and Palestine the way it was done in Northern Ireland" statement (that you made in your FIRST comment).
YOU contradicted YOURSELF (in your 2nd and 3rd comments) from your 1st comment. You started out suggesting peace, I commented on WHY that is not possible/unlikely. Then, instead of acknowledging that - you switched your tune to saying that you "meant the zionist cult has to be outlawed" (which would mean that no peace is possible - since there is no realistic way to outlaw Zionism or the Zionist cult).
Anyways, this will be my last conversation with you, since I find you to converse/engage in bad faith (i.e. dishonest representation and low intellectual integrity).
You are nit picking with my simple comment.I believe that peace could be achieved in Palestine like it was in northern Ireland if the government of the USA stopped supplying weapons of mass destruction and billions in financial aid to Israel. You are using every semantic trick in the book to try and undermine what I am saying as I believe that the people of the USA are as guilty of genocide as are the Israelis themselves because of their total unflinching support for the slaughter of the Palestinian people.
>>"I believe that peace could be achieved in Palestine like it was in northern Ireland if the government of the USA stopped supplying weapons of mass destruction and billions in financial aid to Israel."
Maybe read my FIRST comment to you?
Fact/Opinion #1: USA will NOT stop sending billions in financial and military aid to Israel. Why? Read Caitlin's articles - Israel represents the U.S.'s interests in the region.
Fact/Opinion #2: This is a genocide committed not JUST by Israel. The U.S. Empire is behind this (and supports this) all the way.
Fact/Opinion #3: The U.S. does NOT want peace in the region. Instability in the region prevents the Arab and other ME countries from uniting together into a competitive block against the U.S. Empire.
Fact/Opinion #4: Peace between Israel and Palestine is IMPOSSIBLE (just as peace between the Europeans that colonized North America and the natives was not possible (study SETTLER COLONIALIZM)
I could go on and on with many other reasons (historical and geopolitical) as to WHY not only is PEACE between Israel and Palestine IMPOSSIBLE, but also that the U.S. Empire DOES NOT want peace (even though it propagandizes and pretends that it does) and will do EVERYTHING in its power (as history shows) to support Israel (which de facto makes peace impossible with the Palestinians).
At this point, I expect you to "redefine" peace (and your argument) by saying that you "meant xyz when you said peace" (as is your go-to fallacious habit when your opinion is argued against).
Wow - you really are moving the goalpost (and your argument) aren't you?
First -> You talk about PEACE by "The same can be done in Palestine if the USA puts manners on the Israeli bully".
Second -> Then you changed YOUR STORY to "When I say put manners I mean remove all financial and military support for Israel." NO, "putting manners on the Israeli bully" DOES NOT translate into your second comment (but maybe it does in your head?)
Third -> I say that PEACE is not possible. Now you change YOUR STORY to "I specifically said that the zionist cult has to be outlawed or gotten rid of completely if the world is to avoid a WW3 nevermind achieve peace and an independent homeland for the Palestinians."
NO, you not only DID NOT specifically say anything of the sort in YOUR comment (1) and (2), you said things that are the OPPOSITE of comment (3).
Look at the difference between comment #1 and comment #3 ->
Comment #1 ->"conflict in the North of Ireland could never be resolved as it had been going on for decades but people of goodwill got around a table and sat down to talk with each other like fellow humans and hey presto out of it came a peaceful solution. The same can be done in Palestine if the USA puts manners on the Israeli bully!"
Comment #3 -> "I specifically said that the zionist cult has to be outlawed or gotten rid of completely if the world is to avoid a WW3 nevermind achieve peace and an independent homeland for the Palestinians."
So you went from "...achieve peace by USA putting manners on the Israeli bully" TO "the zionist cult has to be outlawed or gotten rid of completely if the world is to avoid a WW3 nevermind achieve peace..."
Do you even READ what you write?
I made it very clear what I meant when I said that the USA had to put manners on the zionist Israelis by removing all financial and military aid to the apartheid Israeli state and if you can't comprehend that then that's your problem not mine! Good luck and good bye.
Maybe you don't understand English? Maybe you're a born bold-faced liar? Maybe you're trying to save face? Read the comments again - especially this one (https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/saying-its-antisemitic-to-oppose/comment/109201728).
You just can't accept my solution to end the conflict in Gaza, Palestine and the Middle East which is that the USA should stop supporting the zionist apartheid state of Israel both financially and militarily and make them a pariah on earth because of their genocidal actions in Gaza. Until the the USA stops enabling Israel in the slaughtering of innocent people then it will not stop. The USA should plug on the Israeli state today not tomorrow or next week!
Tom Fitzgerald - I think you're misunderstanding this whole conversation (and it's turning stupid anyways).
I AGREE with EVERYTHING you say in THIS comment. My issue is NOT with your most recent comment (about stopping financial and military aid - which is a necessary step albeit an improbable one). My issue is NOT with "removing the zionist cult" (which is also needed - but I doubt there is a way to actually achieve it). My issue is NOT with completely annihilating Israel (which I believe may need to happen).
My issue is with YOUR comment about "bringing a peaceful solution between Israel and Palestine the way it was done in Northern Ireland" statement (that you made in your FIRST comment).
YOU contradicted YOURSELF (in your 2nd and 3rd comments) from your 1st comment. You started out suggesting peace, I commented on WHY that is not possible/unlikely. Then, instead of acknowledging that - you switched your tune to saying that you "meant the zionist cult has to be outlawed" (which would mean that no peace is possible - since there is no realistic way to outlaw Zionism or the Zionist cult).
My issue is with YOUR dishonesty in representing your own opinions, and your 'shifting the goalpost' fallacy that you use to defend them. (The Fallacy of 'Moving the Goalposts', Explained - https://www.snopes.com/articles/464308/logical-fallacies-and-moving-goalposts/)
Anyways, this will be my last conversation with you, since I find you to converse/engage in bad faith (i.e. dishonest representation and low intellectual integrity).
You are nit picking with my simple comment.I believe that peace could be achieved in Palestine like it was in northern Ireland if the government of the USA stopped supplying weapons of mass destruction and billions in financial aid to Israel. You are using every semantic trick in the book to try and undermine what I am saying as I believe that the people of the USA are as guilty of genocide as are the Israelis themselves because of their total unflinching support for the slaughter of the Palestinian people.
>>"I believe that peace could be achieved in Palestine like it was in northern Ireland if the government of the USA stopped supplying weapons of mass destruction and billions in financial aid to Israel."
Maybe read my FIRST comment to you?
Fact/Opinion #1: USA will NOT stop sending billions in financial and military aid to Israel. Why? Read Caitlin's articles - Israel represents the U.S.'s interests in the region.
Fact/Opinion #2: This is a genocide committed not JUST by Israel. The U.S. Empire is behind this (and supports this) all the way.
Fact/Opinion #3: The U.S. does NOT want peace in the region. Instability in the region prevents the Arab and other ME countries from uniting together into a competitive block against the U.S. Empire.
Fact/Opinion #4: Peace between Israel and Palestine is IMPOSSIBLE (just as peace between the Europeans that colonized North America and the natives was not possible (study SETTLER COLONIALIZM)
I could go on and on with many other reasons (historical and geopolitical) as to WHY not only is PEACE between Israel and Palestine IMPOSSIBLE, but also that the U.S. Empire DOES NOT want peace (even though it propagandizes and pretends that it does) and will do EVERYTHING in its power (as history shows) to support Israel (which de facto makes peace impossible with the Palestinians).
At this point, I expect you to "redefine" peace (and your argument) by saying that you "meant xyz when you said peace" (as is your go-to fallacious habit when your opinion is argued against).