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Fran's avatar

Don't want to be called a fucking moron if you in anyway support Trump in any regard. I understand.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I don't think I ever have insulted you. And I don't see Trump as any worse than Biden, just that Trump vs. Biden offers a different and asymmetrical set of possibilities,

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Fran's avatar

No, and I wasn't accusing you of doing that at all. You have always been very nice to me. My previous post had to do with Johnston's statement, "The Ukraine war funding part of the bill was actually reportedly pushed through with behind-the-scenes collaboration between Trump and Republican lawmakers. Anyone who still buys Trump’s “ending the wars, fighting the deep state” schtick is a fucking moron." Which is really an attack on those who do believe, and I'm one of them, that Trump didn't instigate any new wars, and had they let him get along with Russia, and had he won in 2020 I do believe the war with Russia would not have happened, as does Norm Chomsky. And to reference those people as "fuckin morons"is over the top and very offensive. I believe in terms of Israel and funding her genocide he no doubt would be no different then Biden, can't be sure. I do know that Biden has supported all our wars, and even pushed them as well. I agree, wish he would never have gotten rid of the Iran deal and if I remember the democrats supported him in that as well as imposing sanctions on Venezuela. I certainly didn't approve of his killing of Soleimani. I certainly am not saying he's perfect, but I do believe we lived through two administrations during the 21st century that introduced one war after another, which happened during the Bush/Cheney administrations and those of Obama's. Not to mention the support of overthrowing Manuel Zelaya, in Honduras in a military coup under Obama which basically handed the country to the elites. "In June 2009, Honduras faced a devastating coup that shattered the country’s fragile democracy and sunk the country into violence, repression, and a decade-long narco-dictatorship." There's also a lot done during those presidencies which don't get public attention, or very little. Taibbi and Greenwald present a much clearer perspective on the democrats and don't demonize Trump, so common during his administration, and attack people in this way who have a different perspective by calling them fucking morons.

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Feral Finster's avatar

As I said, the only reason Trump didn't start any new wars was because of the extreme forbearance shown him, in spite of his actions.

For his part, Chomsky made his statement before Trump cucked out.

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nosey parker's avatar

Is this term you are using, "cucked", a misspelling? If not, what does it mean?

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Feral Finster's avatar

A pathetic weakling.

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Fran's avatar

Okay, Your statement about Chomsky is not true, He said it after attacking him through his presidency in a horrific way and the statement made when I believe Russia and Ukraine were on the brink of war. Noam Chomsky: Trump Is The "One Western Statesman" Pushing For Diplomacy To End Ukraine War

Posted By Tim Hains

On Date May 1, 2022

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Feral Finster's avatar

Trump subsequently flipped.

Don't make excuses for the man.

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Fran's avatar

I'm sick of the crude attacks on Trump, and his followers, the filthy words. I've had enough of that. This is not only a statement about the present and those who will vote for him, and believe what he says, but it's based on the same mindset expressed about him and his base during his presidency. Well, gee Biden is taking him seriously, "The Biden administration has finalized rules that could protect the jobs of millions of federal employees as former President Donald Trump promises to “destroy” what he calls the “deep state” if he wins a second term in the White House." Same old tactics. To me what was done to Trump on the lie of Russia-gate and all the other BS intended to drive him from office as well as maligning his base which is made up of many millions of Americans undermines what little democracy is left. If any other president were in office and January 6th happened, no one would have a problem in defining it as a riot, and use it to try and impeach him. You may not like him, but they are using him to further undermine what little democracy is left. This BS is helping.

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Fran's avatar

Like Greenwald?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMyoKa946s

"Glenn Greenwald: Nothing Trump Did Compares to the 'Moral Evil' of Bush's and Obama's Wars" Taibbi is seeing it pretty much the same and has written about the growing authoritarianism in that party.

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Fran's avatar

Just in case I didn't provide it. It really is worth while reading if you have any regard for Taibbi and what he thinks, and don't want any part of a mindset that is undermining every aspect of our democracy and being complicit in securing another Biden win. If he wins fair and square fine, but that is not what's going to happen.

https://amac.us/newsline/society/twitter-files-reporter-matt-taibbi-uncovers-plot-to-stop-trump-democracy-be-damned/

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