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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Sorry, I opine that what's absurd is the fact that you tend to

A. downplay the extent to which Democrat politicians are, almost as thoroughly as the other side, bought by (other than pro-Israel) pro-weapons, –Wall Street, and -Pharma, -etc.

I also voted for Jill in NM. Trump is a scumbag. I would gladly run over Elon with a road paver.

B. the extent to which Democrats in power abrogate actual mechanisms of change, mostly floating campaign promises and half-baked fluff. Then re- introducing bills of no hope when Rs take over. Please, this is theater.

And I feel your terror at the descent into Authoritarianism, Fascism if you like. But in my mind, I look at America through the lens of Dallas, November 1963 and personally in Spring 1968 at Columbia University. And it has been a Fascist fucking country for quite some time. But I look at Obama and Biden administrations and I see no reason to hope that a Harris or any status quo politics is going to be "better".

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CarbonCopy's avatar

I would gladly put that paver in reverse for you as Trump is a Zionist Nazi Mass Murdering Sociopath and a Hitler wannabe.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

I do get it and agree, except that this is seriously bad in so many ways: cutting food, healthcare, research, the EPA, wanting to drill everywhere, not to mention how much worse it would get. And it's not like voting for Stein or not voting was going to make any difference. Instead of cursing the duo poly, we need to find real ways to change it, if there are any. Personally, I think the whole fabulous planet is doomed by greed and ignorance.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Luckily, as a biologist and worshiper of the Complex Adaptive System that is the Biosphere, I can assure you that some bacteria and fungi will make it through whatever holocaust we idiots devise. And it'll require eons of course. But life will re-evolve. And if the fungi in their Millennia of plant root mutualistic symbioses have managed to actually have pseudo intercourse and taken up some plant genes, it could go faster (personal hypothesis). I share this because it is how I stay sane.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

Well, I love our planet the way it is now (or was a few hundred years ago) and am beyond appalled that most humans in power don't care. I think there are undoubtedly other worlds with life in the universe, but this one is all we know and I grieve deeply for it and its astounding myriad of incredible lifeforms. (Not really staying very sane at this point.)

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I mourn the dissolution of your sanity. But realistically, as my colleague on this thread in pointing out sci-tech excesses, Chang, has already posted somewhere, the ultimate cancer is, indeed Capitalism, its corporate monstrosity specifically. Are we all backing out off grid, growing our own food, reneging on modernity. Really, if we wring our hands at the paucity of apparent solutions, it is, to my eyes, the gigantic maw of that creature that threatens: "participate or die now, irrelevancy". Makes one think hard about that choice at my age.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

I have to say that in my opinion none of these systems have worked due to human greed, ignorance, hatred and lack of compassion. Humans would need to evolve first. But I do like the idea of Democratic Socialism.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

Maybe it's working in Scandinavia. We are so large and have the legacy of the disgruntled Confederacy to contend with. I wish the left coast would secede.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

You're way too fast for me; have only one dexterous typing hand. Splitting up this country might happen as a natural consequence of chaos as the empire deteriorates anyway. Never can tell what scenarios might eventuate.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

Yeah, runaway capitalism is the culprit. What real solutions do you recommend that we can do now?

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Not sure why you're persisting in this line of questioning. I'd assumed that by now, you might have perceived that my only out is eternity. I'm not at all being facetious. Twenty tears Ago, when I was still healthier I tried to obtain an Italian passport, for which I could rightfully apply based on my parentage, But they wanted no part of Americans at that moment; and just as well, given their status as leaning right and NATO actives. So that's's the geographical cure. I've come to believe that local community action is probably the only immediately effective agent of change because it's small enough to keep the reins on and corruption-minimized; I participated where I could before I lost a lot of mobility. I threw myself into state politics at the Dept. of Health on various issues, was listened to and had proposals affirmed by the health pros on the advisory board, only to later find that the numnutz bureaucrats with the ultimate decision-making authority went the opposite way. So, now you tell me some options. I''m bloody tired.

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