"The fluoride issue has moved from conspiracy theories of the 1940s and 50s – claiming it was a communist plot or a government mind-control trick – to today’s science-based debate."
The Flouride Conspiracy has been around since the 1940s in various forms.
Can you provide a link to ANY flouride study that supports your thesis AND that has NOT been debunked? (Also, the study should have been a randomized, coontrolled trial (RCT), double-blind, a large enough sample size, peer-reviewed, published in a reputable journal, taken into account placebo effects, and have a P-Factor (statistical significance) of less than .5)
(3) Toxicity of fluoride: critical evaluation of evidence for human developmental neurotoxicity in epidemiological studies, animal experiments and in vitro analyses (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7261729/)
I notice you ignore the unbiased EPA scientists and posted a bunch of bought paid for bullshit.
You think you know better that the point on experts at the EPA? and you are not stupid enough to pretend we need to drink fluoride for our teeth, but you won't admit that fact.
You ignore the fact that laboratories use Fluoride to kill living things.
Drink all you want. Darwin knew all about people like you.
>>"...unbiased EPA scientists..." -> it's an EPA union (EPA’s Headquarters Professionals’ Union). Where are the scientists? Names? I don't see any unbiased scientists in your link.
>>"You think you know better that the point on experts at the EPA?"
It's irrelevant what I think. It's what science shows. It's how good scientific research is conducted using scientific methods. It's an industry building a consensus based on science - not ideology or Conspiracy Theories.
>>"You ignore the fact that laboratories use Fluoride to kill living things."
Do you even understand basic Chemistry and Biology? Do you know about the different kinds of flouride chemicals used for different purposes? Do you understand how "quantity" and "dosages" work in Industrial Science and Medicine?
Here's some common sense thinking for you: normal acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen-> drugs that are available over the counter (in the US) -> can cause severe liver and kidney damage and even be FATAL if taken in large doses.
>>"Darwin knew all about people like you."
You don't seem to know shit about Darwin (or anything else in Science). Stick to your Conspiracy Theories. I'm sure you have many more in many other areas. Hope it works out for you.
PS: Don't even attempt your luck at Critical Thinking, you might just suffer from a fatal 'overdose' of "Cognitive Dissonance".
You said "Where are the scientists? Names? I don't see any unbiased scientists in your link."
"The Union of Scientists and Professionals at EPA’s Headquarters Office, which represents over 1,500 scientists at EPA, has gone on record as opposing water fluoridation due to concerns about fluoride’s health effects. According to the Union, “In summary, we hold that fluoridation is an unreasonable risk.”
You are without a clue as to what BIAS means.
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You said - "t's irrelevant what I think. It's what science shows. It's how good scientific research is conducted using scientific methods. It's an industry building a consensus based on science - not ideology or Conspiracy Theories."
You call EPA scientists as BIASED, provide faux science that was bought and paid for in corrupt north America where most of the fluoride poison is dispensed in the water.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
This is what you drink dimwit. Poison, from chemicals plants. And you want to argue that all we need to do is drink less, so the poison wont kill us to quick, while the poison has ZERO benefit being consumed systemically.
YOu said "Do you even understand basic Chemistry and Biology? Do you know about the different kinds of flouride chemicals used for different purposes? Do you understand how "quantity" and "dosages" work in Industrial Science and Medicine?"
50 reasons it is really stupid to drink fluoride when yo ucan brush with it.
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You said "Here's some common sense thinking for you: normal acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen-> drugs that are available over the counter (in the US) -> can cause severe liver and kidney damage and even be FATAL if taken in large doses."
More irrelevant bullshit . Ibuprofen/Tylenol have a use. I choose to use them if I want. Fluoride in the water also has one use. To poison things. It works topically not systemically. That is indisputable, which is why the dumb ass fluoride eaters ignore it. And no one gets to choose fluoride. Why don't you eat tooth paste aif you want systemic fluoride, and stop poisoning your neighbors huh dimwit ?
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You said "You don't seem to know shit about Darwin (or anything else in Science). Stick to your Conspiracy Theories. I'm sure you have many more in many other areas. Hope it works out for you."
More ad hom
While you are stupid enough to use the term conspiracy theory as ad hom, without knowing what it really means. Here dimwit., Have a go.
Perfect! Now apply that to yourself - work on your critical thinking skills. ACTUALLY read some of Carl Sagan's books (instead of parroting his words without meaning and co-opting their use incorrectly). Try: "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"
I would also recommend books on Critical Thinking and Conspiratorial Thinking, but I believe you wouldn't be able to handle those.
You babble ad hom now, desperate irrelevant, babble: I know why you do so. I do not blame you. You have been guzzling a neuro toxin that has damaged your brain.
here is some more science
"Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children
July 25, 2012 — For years health experts have been unable to agree on whether fluoride in the drinking water may be toxic to the developing human brain. Extremely high levels of fluoride are known to cause neurotoxicity in adults, and negative impacts on memory and learning have been reported in rodent studies, but little is known about the substance’s impact on children’s neurodevelopment. In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted.
The study was published online in Environmental Health Perspectives on July 20, 2012.
"The researchers conducted a systematic review of studies, almost all of which are from China where risks from fluoride are well-established. Fluoride is a naturally occurring substance in groundwater, and exposures to the chemical are increased in some parts of China. Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S., said lead author Anna Choi, research scientist in the Department of Environmental Health at HSPH...
“Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,” Grandjean says. “The effect of each toxicant may seem small, but the combined damage on a population scale can be serious, especially because the brain power of the next generation is crucial to all of us.”
I am sorry they damaged your brain mr. chang. But it isn't too late to stop drinking poison that damages your brain. You don't need to drink any more fluoride, since clearly your grasp as simple concepts and science is minimal.
You were caught up in another "safe and effective" lie. And you cant get over being bamboozled.
You drink more fluoride boy. Darwin would be proud of you. Please do not have children's and pollute our human genome any more
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"Although the U.S. Centers for Disease Control hails water fluoridation as one of the “top ten public health achievements of the twentieth century,” most of the western world, including the vast majority of western Europe, does not fluoridate its water supply.
At present, 98% of the western European population drinks non-fluoridated water. "
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“What the committee found is that we’ve gone with the status quo regarding fluoride for many years—for too long, really—and now we need to take a fresh look. In the scientific community, people tend to think this is settled. I mean, when the U.S. surgeon general comes out and says this is one of the 10 greatest achievements of the 20th century, that’s a hard hurdle to get over. But when we looked at the studies that have been done, we found that many of these questions are unsettled and we have much less information than we should, considering how long this [fluoridation] has been going on. I think that’s why fluoridation is still being challenged so many years after it began. In the face of ignorance, controversy is rampant.”
– Dr. John Doull, NRC Panel Chair
The report “should be a wake-up call.”
– Dr. Robert Isaacson, NRC Panel Member.
“The NRC report is relevant to many aspects of the water fluoridation debate… [T]he report discusses the wide range of drinking water intake among members of the population, which means that groups with different fluoride concentrations in their drinking water may still have overlapping distributions of individual fluoride exposure. ln other words, the range of individual fluoride exposures at 1 mg/L will overlap the range of individual exposures at 2 mg/L or even 4 mg/L. Thus, even without consideration of differences in individual susceptibility to various effects, the margin of safety between 1 and 4 mg/L is very low.”
– Dr. Kathleen Thiessen, NRC Panel Member.
“In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than beneficial is now overwhelming.”
Here is some fact and some more science. Unbiased yet.
“The effects of fluoride on various aspects of endocrine function should be examined, particularly with respect to a possible role in the development of several diseases or mental states in the United States. Major areas of investigation include . . . thyroid disease (especially in light of decreasing iodine intake by the U.S. population).” (National Research Council 2006).
The Thyroid
The thyroid gland regulates the body’s metabolic rate and plays an exquisitely important role in human health. Because all metabolically active cells require thyroid hormone for proper functioning, thyroid disruption can have a wide range of effects on virtually every system of the body. Chemicals that interfere with thyroid function must be treated with great caution.
According to the U.S. National Research Council, and as discussed below, there is substantial evidence that fluoride exposure can impact thyroid function in some individuals. (NRC 2006). There have been three human IQ studies that have taken the thyroid into account:
Wang M, et al. (2019). Thyroid function, intelligence, and low-moderate fluoride exposure among Chinese school-age children. Environment International 134:105229
Zhang S, et al. (2015). Modifying Effect of COMT Gene Polymorphism and a Predictive Role for Proteomics Analysis in Children’s Intelligence in Endemic Fluorosis Area in Tianjin, China. Toxicological Sciences 144(2):238-45. April.
Wang X, et al. (2001). Effects of high iodine and high fluorine on children’s intelligence and thyroid function. Chinese Journal of Endemiology 20(4):288-90.
Common now, bring some more ad hom mr. chang. Or perhaps you should listen to your betters, and listen to Mr. Wang, Mr. Zhang, and Mr. Wang...
There are hundreds of credible papers that show harm. Its common sense man.
Read this letter from the people we employ to protect us from poison tell it like it is.
Why EPA’s Headquarters Professionals’ Union Opposes Fluoridation
https://fluoridealert.org/content/epa-union/
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78 human studies linking fluoride exposures with reduced intelligence.
Over 60 animal studies reporting that mice or rats ingesting fluoride have an impaired capacity to learn and/or remember.
12 studies (7 human, 5 animal) linking fluoride with neurobehavioral deficits (impaired visual-spatial organization).
3 human studies linking fluoride exposure with impaired fetal brain development.
11 Mother-Offspring studies linking certain levels of fluoride in the urine of pregnant women to reduced IQ in their offspring.
fluoride works topically for caries, NOT systemically.
Fluoride kills enzymes which kills cells, which is why things die.
Harm to the brain, heart, pancreas, pineal gland ,reduces thyroid function, causes cancer, dental harm, liver harm, skeletal harm, arthritis harm, kidney harm, gastrointestinal harm.
Was a perfect play. I live among zombies running for jabs that are killing them
No survival instinct. Its gone.
The Fluoride Controversy Never Dies (by the American Council on Science and Health) [https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/05/30/fluoride-controversy-never-dies-17093]
"The fluoride issue has moved from conspiracy theories of the 1940s and 50s – claiming it was a communist plot or a government mind-control trick – to today’s science-based debate."
[https://www.salon.com/2022/09/13/why-anti-fluoride-conspiracy-theories-have-persisted-for-over-70-years/]
Controversy: The evolving science of fluoride: when new evidence doesn’t conform with existing beliefs (from NIH Library) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9922476/]
Pipe Dreams: America’s Fluoride Controversy: How did a seemingly benign chemical and a near-miraculous public-health initiative spark decades and decades debate? [https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/magazine/pipe-dreams-americas-fluoride-controversy/]
The Flouride Conspiracy has been around since the 1940s in various forms.
Can you provide a link to ANY flouride study that supports your thesis AND that has NOT been debunked? (Also, the study should have been a randomized, coontrolled trial (RCT), double-blind, a large enough sample size, peer-reviewed, published in a reputable journal, taken into account placebo effects, and have a P-Factor (statistical significance) of less than .5)
Hare are some links debunking "flouride" studies:
(1) https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/water-fluoridation-hasnt-been-associated-with-cognitive-health-problems-contrary-to-widespread-claims/
(2) https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/flawed-comparison-cancer-mortality-fluoridated-non-fluoridated-us-cities-doesnt-provide-sufficient-evidence-fluoride-causes-cancer/
(3) Toxicity of fluoride: critical evaluation of evidence for human developmental neurotoxicity in epidemiological studies, animal experiments and in vitro analyses (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7261729/)
.... the list is really long ....
I notice you ignore the unbiased EPA scientists and posted a bunch of bought paid for bullshit.
You think you know better that the point on experts at the EPA? and you are not stupid enough to pretend we need to drink fluoride for our teeth, but you won't admit that fact.
You ignore the fact that laboratories use Fluoride to kill living things.
Drink all you want. Darwin knew all about people like you.
>>"...unbiased EPA scientists..." -> it's an EPA union (EPA’s Headquarters Professionals’ Union). Where are the scientists? Names? I don't see any unbiased scientists in your link.
>>"You think you know better that the point on experts at the EPA?"
It's irrelevant what I think. It's what science shows. It's how good scientific research is conducted using scientific methods. It's an industry building a consensus based on science - not ideology or Conspiracy Theories.
>>"You ignore the fact that laboratories use Fluoride to kill living things."
Do you even understand basic Chemistry and Biology? Do you know about the different kinds of flouride chemicals used for different purposes? Do you understand how "quantity" and "dosages" work in Industrial Science and Medicine?
Here's some common sense thinking for you: normal acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen-> drugs that are available over the counter (in the US) -> can cause severe liver and kidney damage and even be FATAL if taken in large doses.
>>"Darwin knew all about people like you."
You don't seem to know shit about Darwin (or anything else in Science). Stick to your Conspiracy Theories. I'm sure you have many more in many other areas. Hope it works out for you.
PS: Don't even attempt your luck at Critical Thinking, you might just suffer from a fatal 'overdose' of "Cognitive Dissonance".
You said "Where are the scientists? Names? I don't see any unbiased scientists in your link."
"The Union of Scientists and Professionals at EPA’s Headquarters Office, which represents over 1,500 scientists at EPA, has gone on record as opposing water fluoridation due to concerns about fluoride’s health effects. According to the Union, “In summary, we hold that fluoridation is an unreasonable risk.”
You are without a clue as to what BIAS means.
==================
You said - "t's irrelevant what I think. It's what science shows. It's how good scientific research is conducted using scientific methods. It's an industry building a consensus based on science - not ideology or Conspiracy Theories."
You call EPA scientists as BIASED, provide faux science that was bought and paid for in corrupt north America where most of the fluoride poison is dispensed in the water.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
This is what you drink dimwit. Poison, from chemicals plants. And you want to argue that all we need to do is drink less, so the poison wont kill us to quick, while the poison has ZERO benefit being consumed systemically.
https://youtu.be/-42vAudQyzw
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YOu said "Do you even understand basic Chemistry and Biology? Do you know about the different kinds of flouride chemicals used for different purposes? Do you understand how "quantity" and "dosages" work in Industrial Science and Medicine?"
More irrelevant bullshit and strawman argument.
LOL pay attention now poison eater
https://fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/50-reasons.pdf
50 reasons it is really stupid to drink fluoride when yo ucan brush with it.
================
You said "Here's some common sense thinking for you: normal acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen-> drugs that are available over the counter (in the US) -> can cause severe liver and kidney damage and even be FATAL if taken in large doses."
More irrelevant bullshit . Ibuprofen/Tylenol have a use. I choose to use them if I want. Fluoride in the water also has one use. To poison things. It works topically not systemically. That is indisputable, which is why the dumb ass fluoride eaters ignore it. And no one gets to choose fluoride. Why don't you eat tooth paste aif you want systemic fluoride, and stop poisoning your neighbors huh dimwit ?
=========
You said "You don't seem to know shit about Darwin (or anything else in Science). Stick to your Conspiracy Theories. I'm sure you have many more in many other areas. Hope it works out for you."
More ad hom
While you are stupid enough to use the term conspiracy theory as ad hom, without knowing what it really means. Here dimwit., Have a go.
https://x.com/Herc_ster/status/1826230951355286012
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You said "PS: Don't even attempt your luck at Critical Thinking, you might just suffer from a fatal 'overdose' of "Cognitive Dissonance"."
Here is some Sagan for you, explaining your willful ignorance.
https://x.com/Herc_ster/status/1826231388586279057
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>>"Here is some Sagan for you, explaining your willful ignorance.
https://x.com/Herc_ster/status/1826231388586279057"
Perfect! Now apply that to yourself - work on your critical thinking skills. ACTUALLY read some of Carl Sagan's books (instead of parroting his words without meaning and co-opting their use incorrectly). Try: "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"
I would also recommend books on Critical Thinking and Conspiratorial Thinking, but I believe you wouldn't be able to handle those.
You babble ad hom now, desperate irrelevant, babble: I know why you do so. I do not blame you. You have been guzzling a neuro toxin that has damaged your brain.
here is some more science
"Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children
July 25, 2012 — For years health experts have been unable to agree on whether fluoride in the drinking water may be toxic to the developing human brain. Extremely high levels of fluoride are known to cause neurotoxicity in adults, and negative impacts on memory and learning have been reported in rodent studies, but little is known about the substance’s impact on children’s neurodevelopment. In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted.
The study was published online in Environmental Health Perspectives on July 20, 2012.
"The researchers conducted a systematic review of studies, almost all of which are from China where risks from fluoride are well-established. Fluoride is a naturally occurring substance in groundwater, and exposures to the chemical are increased in some parts of China. Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S., said lead author Anna Choi, research scientist in the Department of Environmental Health at HSPH...
“Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,” Grandjean says. “The effect of each toxicant may seem small, but the combined damage on a population scale can be serious, especially because the brain power of the next generation is crucial to all of us.”
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi/
I am sorry they damaged your brain mr. chang. But it isn't too late to stop drinking poison that damages your brain. You don't need to drink any more fluoride, since clearly your grasp as simple concepts and science is minimal.
You were caught up in another "safe and effective" lie. And you cant get over being bamboozled.
More babble and ad hom
You drink more fluoride boy. Darwin would be proud of you. Please do not have children's and pollute our human genome any more
=========================
"Although the U.S. Centers for Disease Control hails water fluoridation as one of the “top ten public health achievements of the twentieth century,” most of the western world, including the vast majority of western Europe, does not fluoridate its water supply.
At present, 98% of the western European population drinks non-fluoridated water. "
===============
“What the committee found is that we’ve gone with the status quo regarding fluoride for many years—for too long, really—and now we need to take a fresh look. In the scientific community, people tend to think this is settled. I mean, when the U.S. surgeon general comes out and says this is one of the 10 greatest achievements of the 20th century, that’s a hard hurdle to get over. But when we looked at the studies that have been done, we found that many of these questions are unsettled and we have much less information than we should, considering how long this [fluoridation] has been going on. I think that’s why fluoridation is still being challenged so many years after it began. In the face of ignorance, controversy is rampant.”
– Dr. John Doull, NRC Panel Chair
The report “should be a wake-up call.”
– Dr. Robert Isaacson, NRC Panel Member.
“The NRC report is relevant to many aspects of the water fluoridation debate… [T]he report discusses the wide range of drinking water intake among members of the population, which means that groups with different fluoride concentrations in their drinking water may still have overlapping distributions of individual fluoride exposure. ln other words, the range of individual fluoride exposures at 1 mg/L will overlap the range of individual exposures at 2 mg/L or even 4 mg/L. Thus, even without consideration of differences in individual susceptibility to various effects, the margin of safety between 1 and 4 mg/L is very low.”
– Dr. Kathleen Thiessen, NRC Panel Member.
“In my opinion, the evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than beneficial is now overwhelming.”
– Dr. Hardy Limeback, NRC Panel Member.
>>"You drink more fluoride boy. Darwin would be proud of you. Please do not have children's and pollute our human genome any more"
George Carlin: "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
[Thank you George Carlin for warning me about Nod Dranoel]
More babble from Mr. Change.
Here is some fact and some more science. Unbiased yet.
“The effects of fluoride on various aspects of endocrine function should be examined, particularly with respect to a possible role in the development of several diseases or mental states in the United States. Major areas of investigation include . . . thyroid disease (especially in light of decreasing iodine intake by the U.S. population).” (National Research Council 2006).
The Thyroid
The thyroid gland regulates the body’s metabolic rate and plays an exquisitely important role in human health. Because all metabolically active cells require thyroid hormone for proper functioning, thyroid disruption can have a wide range of effects on virtually every system of the body. Chemicals that interfere with thyroid function must be treated with great caution.
According to the U.S. National Research Council, and as discussed below, there is substantial evidence that fluoride exposure can impact thyroid function in some individuals. (NRC 2006). There have been three human IQ studies that have taken the thyroid into account:
Wang M, et al. (2019). Thyroid function, intelligence, and low-moderate fluoride exposure among Chinese school-age children. Environment International 134:105229
Zhang S, et al. (2015). Modifying Effect of COMT Gene Polymorphism and a Predictive Role for Proteomics Analysis in Children’s Intelligence in Endemic Fluorosis Area in Tianjin, China. Toxicological Sciences 144(2):238-45. April.
Wang X, et al. (2001). Effects of high iodine and high fluorine on children’s intelligence and thyroid function. Chinese Journal of Endemiology 20(4):288-90.
Common now, bring some more ad hom mr. chang. Or perhaps you should listen to your betters, and listen to Mr. Wang, Mr. Zhang, and Mr. Wang...
LOL. I just love schooling the deluded.