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A Parseeker's avatar

A friend of mine who studied in the USSR -- as a foreign student -- used to joke: Russians claim to be better informed than Americans because Russians read the news and know that it is false, while Americans read the news and believe it to be true.

Sadly, this remains true 40 years later.

Media literacy and critical thinking should be taught from kindergarten as opposed to the brainwashing "cult of America" stuff.

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Influence through Confluence's avatar

Oh my gosh! Accurate as it can get. The Soviets used to joke and laugh at the attempts of the State to spread propaganda because they knew from a mile how to spot it. Americans meanwhile are a whole different story.

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russian_bot's avatar

There was also the other side - what was said about the West was true. But since no one believed the former, the latter got dismissed too.

The West's situation has been mirror image. "News" affiliates seem unable to lie much about what happens locally, hence public tends to believe them, and everything else they subsequently spread.

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martin's avatar

indeed, i sometimes come across ancient soviet propaganda on the west and would recommend modern russians to revisit it too.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

A Parseeker, this is true in many parts of the world outside the US too. Russians are brainwashed by their media, just as China is by theirs, and India is by theirs (as evidenced by the popularity of a Trumpian fascist authoritarian dictator-like strong-man figure Modi).

All countries propagandize their own citizens in their own ways. That is the only way a system of Global Capitalism can prevail - by controlling their citizens through propaganda, brainwashing, gaslighting, etc. That is the only way to maintain the socio-economic class structures prevalent almost everywhere.

>>"Media literacy and critical thinking should be taught"

That's exactly what the Power Elite do not want - they seek to maintain the status quo - hence they actively and passively seek to not have their citizens "think critically". And "media literacy" would erode their success in "manufacturing consent".

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Nod Dranoel's avatar

Americans have been drinking neurotoxic fluoride pursuant the fact that the Nazis figured out it made their inmates apathetic and without will. Fluoride consumption also destroys I.Q and causes dementia. Russians have not been drinking fluoride. Although like the rest of us, they do enjoy the neurotoxic booze.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Bullshit. Any credible scientific research papers to support this "conspiracy theory"?

PS: the "flouride deception" conspiracy theory has been debunked already.

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Nod Dranoel's avatar

There are hundreds of credible papers that show harm. Its common sense man.

Read this letter from the people we employ to protect us from poison tell it like it is.

Why EPA’s Headquarters Professionals’ Union Opposes Fluoridation

https://fluoridealert.org/content/epa-union/

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78 human studies linking fluoride exposures with reduced intelligence.

Over 60 animal studies reporting that mice or rats ingesting fluoride have an impaired capacity to learn and/or remember.

12 studies (7 human, 5 animal) linking fluoride with neurobehavioral deficits (impaired visual-spatial organization).

3 human studies linking fluoride exposure with impaired fetal brain development.

11 Mother-Offspring studies linking certain levels of fluoride in the urine of pregnant women to reduced IQ in their offspring.

fluoride works topically for caries, NOT systemically.

Fluoride kills enzymes which kills cells, which is why things die.

Harm to the brain, heart, pancreas, pineal gland ,reduces thyroid function, causes cancer, dental harm, liver harm, skeletal harm, arthritis harm, kidney harm, gastrointestinal harm.

Was a perfect play. I live among zombies running for jabs that are killing them

No survival instinct. Its gone.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

The Fluoride Controversy Never Dies (by the American Council on Science and Health) [https://www.acsh.org/news/2023/05/30/fluoride-controversy-never-dies-17093]

"The fluoride issue has moved from conspiracy theories of the 1940s and 50s – claiming it was a communist plot or a government mind-control trick – to today’s science-based debate."

[https://www.salon.com/2022/09/13/why-anti-fluoride-conspiracy-theories-have-persisted-for-over-70-years/]

Controversy: The evolving science of fluoride: when new evidence doesn’t conform with existing beliefs (from NIH Library) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9922476/]

Pipe Dreams: America’s Fluoride Controversy: How did a seemingly benign chemical and a near-miraculous public-health initiative spark decades and decades debate? [https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/magazine/pipe-dreams-americas-fluoride-controversy/]

The Flouride Conspiracy has been around since the 1940s in various forms.

Can you provide a link to ANY flouride study that supports your thesis AND that has NOT been debunked? (Also, the study should have been a randomized, coontrolled trial (RCT), double-blind, a large enough sample size, peer-reviewed, published in a reputable journal, taken into account placebo effects, and have a P-Factor (statistical significance) of less than .5)

Hare are some links debunking "flouride" studies:

(1) https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/water-fluoridation-hasnt-been-associated-with-cognitive-health-problems-contrary-to-widespread-claims/

(2) https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/flawed-comparison-cancer-mortality-fluoridated-non-fluoridated-us-cities-doesnt-provide-sufficient-evidence-fluoride-causes-cancer/

(3) Toxicity of fluoride: critical evaluation of evidence for human developmental neurotoxicity in epidemiological studies, animal experiments and in vitro analyses (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7261729/)

.... the list is really long ....

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Nod Dranoel's avatar

I notice you ignore the unbiased EPA scientists and posted a bunch of bought paid for bullshit.

You think you know better that the point on experts at the EPA? and you are not stupid enough to pretend we need to drink fluoride for our teeth, but you won't admit that fact.

You ignore the fact that laboratories use Fluoride to kill living things.

Drink all you want. Darwin knew all about people like you.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"...unbiased EPA scientists..." -> it's an EPA union (EPA’s Headquarters Professionals’ Union). Where are the scientists? Names? I don't see any unbiased scientists in your link.

>>"You think you know better that the point on experts at the EPA?"

It's irrelevant what I think. It's what science shows. It's how good scientific research is conducted using scientific methods. It's an industry building a consensus based on science - not ideology or Conspiracy Theories.

>>"You ignore the fact that laboratories use Fluoride to kill living things."

Do you even understand basic Chemistry and Biology? Do you know about the different kinds of flouride chemicals used for different purposes? Do you understand how "quantity" and "dosages" work in Industrial Science and Medicine?

Here's some common sense thinking for you: normal acetaminophen (Tylenol) and ibuprofen-> drugs that are available over the counter (in the US) -> can cause severe liver and kidney damage and even be FATAL if taken in large doses.

>>"Darwin knew all about people like you."

You don't seem to know shit about Darwin (or anything else in Science). Stick to your Conspiracy Theories. I'm sure you have many more in many other areas. Hope it works out for you.

PS: Don't even attempt your luck at Critical Thinking, you might just suffer from a fatal 'overdose' of "Cognitive Dissonance".

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