I am beseeching all of you to stop devolving this discourse. I am Palestinian. I have been an activist my entire life. I have studied my entire life. I am cautioning anyone who devolves into hating an entire religion on the basis of zionism, to please attempt to educate yourselves.
Zionism is racism.
Judaism is not Zionism.
Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism; it never has.
The reason I delineate between white jews and brown and Black jews is because the religion does so, and the founders and perpetrators of zionism do so. And, because brown and Black jews are not the issue.
Zionism was founded on white supremacy.
Palestinian jews, Arab jews, Ethiopian jews, are second- and third-class citizens.
Zionist israel was created for white jews and white jews only. Other jews are merely tolerated.
This is racism. Pure and simple.
Please resist and rise above the religious condemnation. Find a way to elevate your own understanding to refine your language to uplift the Palestinian issue, which has been, with their current colonizers, constant oppression and murder and annihilation and sterilization and and and ad nauseam since the late 1800s. Just the current european colonial regime.
Please rise above the unbridled hatred and cruelty spewed by so many members of the white israeli masses. Please rise above the rhetoric and don't fall into a mirror image of this white supremacist settler-colonial mindset. Be better. If you point at all jews then you are agreeing that disinformation is sanctioned and mirroring the vile behavior of the white supremacist zionist entity.
I grew up being scared of white jews. I confess I still struggle not to be scared of white jews. I have to fight against this every day. It took meeting some white jews who demonstrated that there are white jews who are anti-zionist and pro-Palestinian.
Please find a way to express your views while honoring that everyone here, who has the benefit of reading Caitlin's brilliant and unrelenting honesty, are not your enemy.
I believe we are all capable of rising above. Please try.
"To them you are nothing more than a doll to act pleasant around them and to pat them on the back and kiss their feet so they feel better and feel moral. You are a lamb to the slaughter and a zoo animal to them."
Have you ever met a Palestinian woman? Seriously? You don't know anything about me. I'm only 5'2" but a Tazmanian Devil's got nothing on me when I'm defending the people I love.
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Having had my reactionary mouth spew, I read your post again and I realize you're possibly Moroccan, Tunisian, or Algerian, and possibly Amazigh.
Regional experiences are different, and my lense, when speaking of Zionism, and being in the US, is focused on that. I will say that my experiences with brown and Black jews has been very different from yours. I do know that those who have been conscripted, and are being conscripted, to fight are barely tolerated. They are now being used as the new human shield, the majority of them refugees. Refugees killing refugees at the behest of the zionists. Once jews of color go to the occupied territories and believe they'll be treated like israeli citizens... well, it's easy to blame the religion, but my experience has been that it's zionism that is the culprit. And you don't have to be jewish to be a zionist. Our deranged puppeteer president actually announced he was zionist, like a good little minion.
I feel and know your anger, rage, to the brink of insanity more than a few times in my life. But I refuse to allow myself to sink to that low level of the zionist mindset, because that way lies true and thorough madness.
If you ever make a point that is not off the rails and engages some kind of discussion, I'll be happy to address it. Until then, I don't have the spiritual energy to be batted about by one of my own brothers.
Respectfully. How about total support, lock stock and barrel.
Now there is the biggest crime of all because without US involvement, it would end tomorrow.
A statement or two or a visit from the Pope might have helped as well.
As they sit there in their plush offices in Washington, from the demented President down, they think that this action which they have endorsed will add to their strength and influence in the world, when it is all over. How naive. Sooner or later we will see even the US puppets in Western countries, the majority of such countries, turn their back on the USA and its hegemonic objectives and non-stop power plays.
There is not a single empire that has survived, the latest before WWII being the British with almost all of its colonies having turned the page and discarded the once arrogant dictates of the "Crown" and become independent. Of course, there are so many others like the now very feeble Australia, the 'follow the leader' Canada, UK and New Zealand as examples, still dipping itheir lids to an archaic Royalty, with Governor's-General filling the role of British mouthpieces and passing on the wishes / demands of a master, "well past its due date". So they then chose to become a subservient little state under the control of the arrogant USA, so enjoying the very worst of both worlds. US bases here, there and everywhere, spying on the world from an Australian located US-controlled operation, allowing the transit in and out of B-52 bombers possible armed with nuclear weapons and ready to engage as a junior puppet in any war that the likes of Biden or his mirror image replacement will require, yes, even to taking up arms to give the genocidal Israelis a small dose of credibility. History repeats itself.
"Just yell, Biden. We'll be there" as they were when they needed support in those hegemonic activities in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and who knows how many others.
How the once respected and potentially worthy states have fallen. History repeating itself, as it does.
Finally, if there is anyone in a position of influence in those United States, in stopping the supply of your aircraft, weapons, bombs and dollars and then getting to hell out of the Middle East, this would be good news for all.
Israel, on its stolen Palestinian lands, needs to pass into history as an inhumane and hated state, a 21st century version of The Third Reich with similar values of power and arrogance, performing the same dirty deeds of death for millions.
The world does not need States like Israel and all they represent.
And there you have it. The moron that cannot tell a Jew from a Zionist.
So long as one can say "Christian terrorism at its finest" at the same time and with the same conviction, Im good with it. For me the line is crossed when some dirt bag implies that all Jews are somehow evil, but all Christians (or some other arbitrary group) are good upstanding planetary citizens.
I don't live in the Middle East but in the UK . It is widely believed here that being a progressive Muslim means that I have no strong beliefs and so am "safe" . Thus I am expected to be very pro-Israel because that would be 'normal' and ok . I have had the most surprising hostilty to my refusal to eat pork - perhaps because 'progressive' has the meaning of not causing trouble ? Muslim law allows us to defend ourselves and our families . But most Christians clain to be pacifist - except !
But many Jewish people who are far away from the Middle East will express pride in Israel's success even tho' they never wanted to live there and do not officially approve of genocide etc.!
Many Jews reject this insanity. Rather than feeding into the false notion that Anti-Zionism is somehow anti-Jewish Bigotry, by promoting anti-Jewish Bigotry - we need to point out this distinction, and support the dissidence of Torah faithful Jews, rather than condemning them, along side of the Zionists whom they too are protesting.
OK , of course I agree . But I live in the UK and I have known many Jews and their families but only 2 who were anti-zionist . It is scary for them as well as me to be open about my political opinions .
That's a historical anomaly. Zionism is a rejection of Jewish law and the traditions of more than 2000 years - to create a malignant nationalism that replaces Jewish values. Prior to 1967, less than a majority of world Jewry supported this heretical rebellion against the almighty. At the turn of the 20th century, the majority of Rabbis were warning against it, even calling it Satanic.
The commenter who pointed out the problems with your anti-Jewish bigotry was correct. This isn't about the Jewish culture - but rather, about the cancer that has consumed it - fostered by Imperialists and Luciferian Occultists.
The Neturei Karta are out in the streets vocally protesting and condemning, what you claim is some inherent flaw in Jewish culture. If Caitlin's work is about anything, it's about the power of propaganda and narrative. This is just another proof of her point - and a lesson that you fail to get, for some reason. Zionism and Judaism are antonyms, not synonyms. Zionism is a toxic mimic - like a poisonous mushroom. One doesn't point to that and complain about mushrooms as being toxic per se. The popularity of Zionism over Torah-faithful Judaism is a real problem - just as Dominionism over true Christianity, or Takfiri Wahhabism over Islam. These are Mind Control cults, deliberately organized by western intelligence and occult orders - not authentic expressions of the legitimate faiths that they may have come to dominate.
I expect nothing good or truthful anymore from Christians . Yes , of course some actually manage not to think I worship Sheitan but often seem surprised by that fact ! I am also aware that Isa(Jesus) was Jewish and not WASP . I have heard plenty of lies about my people and know perfectly well that (like most people) they need to hate someone !
They absolutely are. They're indoctrinated into Zionism the same way people are indoctrinated into Christianity. It starts in childhood. Hate has to be taught. You cannot be a Jewish Zionist. Zionism is the antithesis of Judaism.
It is precisely because they are zionists. I see it as a collective mental illness. They have been given carte blanche to do whatever they want with no consequences. Not just the military, but settlers. It is like Lord of the Flies.
They have this blinding hatred of people who've been presented as perverted caricatures, groomed to hate them, carefully constructed by zionism, and apartheid means they rarely even come into contact with Palestinians, like they're the fabled chupacabra or something.
It's otherworldly and I do consider zionists in israel to be collectively criminally insane. Imagine being told it's your god-given right to do whatever you want and you not only don't suffer consequences, your acts of sadistic barbarism are condoned, even celebrated.
I am beseeching all of you to stop devolving this discourse. I am Palestinian. I have been an activist my entire life. I have studied my entire life. I am cautioning anyone who devolves into hating an entire religion on the basis of zionism, to please attempt to educate yourselves.
Zionism is racism.
Judaism is not Zionism.
Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism; it never has.
The reason I delineate between white jews and brown and Black jews is because the religion does so, and the founders and perpetrators of zionism do so. And, because brown and Black jews are not the issue.
Zionism was founded on white supremacy.
Palestinian jews, Arab jews, Ethiopian jews, are second- and third-class citizens.
Zionist israel was created for white jews and white jews only. Other jews are merely tolerated.
This is racism. Pure and simple.
Please resist and rise above the religious condemnation. Find a way to elevate your own understanding to refine your language to uplift the Palestinian issue, which has been, with their current colonizers, constant oppression and murder and annihilation and sterilization and and and ad nauseam since the late 1800s. Just the current european colonial regime.
Please rise above the unbridled hatred and cruelty spewed by so many members of the white israeli masses. Please rise above the rhetoric and don't fall into a mirror image of this white supremacist settler-colonial mindset. Be better. If you point at all jews then you are agreeing that disinformation is sanctioned and mirroring the vile behavior of the white supremacist zionist entity.
I grew up being scared of white jews. I confess I still struggle not to be scared of white jews. I have to fight against this every day. It took meeting some white jews who demonstrated that there are white jews who are anti-zionist and pro-Palestinian.
Please find a way to express your views while honoring that everyone here, who has the benefit of reading Caitlin's brilliant and unrelenting honesty, are not your enemy.
I believe we are all capable of rising above. Please try.
👏👏
"To them you are nothing more than a doll to act pleasant around them and to pat them on the back and kiss their feet so they feel better and feel moral. You are a lamb to the slaughter and a zoo animal to them."
Have you ever met a Palestinian woman? Seriously? You don't know anything about me. I'm only 5'2" but a Tazmanian Devil's got nothing on me when I'm defending the people I love.
______________________________
Having had my reactionary mouth spew, I read your post again and I realize you're possibly Moroccan, Tunisian, or Algerian, and possibly Amazigh.
Regional experiences are different, and my lense, when speaking of Zionism, and being in the US, is focused on that. I will say that my experiences with brown and Black jews has been very different from yours. I do know that those who have been conscripted, and are being conscripted, to fight are barely tolerated. They are now being used as the new human shield, the majority of them refugees. Refugees killing refugees at the behest of the zionists. Once jews of color go to the occupied territories and believe they'll be treated like israeli citizens... well, it's easy to blame the religion, but my experience has been that it's zionism that is the culprit. And you don't have to be jewish to be a zionist. Our deranged puppeteer president actually announced he was zionist, like a good little minion.
I feel and know your anger, rage, to the brink of insanity more than a few times in my life. But I refuse to allow myself to sink to that low level of the zionist mindset, because that way lies true and thorough madness.
If you ever make a point that is not off the rails and engages some kind of discussion, I'll be happy to address it. Until then, I don't have the spiritual energy to be batted about by one of my own brothers.
Yes.
Barbarism reign supreme amongst the Zionists and our so-called leaders who allow this to go on.
"Allow", JennyStokes?
Respectfully. How about total support, lock stock and barrel.
Now there is the biggest crime of all because without US involvement, it would end tomorrow.
A statement or two or a visit from the Pope might have helped as well.
As they sit there in their plush offices in Washington, from the demented President down, they think that this action which they have endorsed will add to their strength and influence in the world, when it is all over. How naive. Sooner or later we will see even the US puppets in Western countries, the majority of such countries, turn their back on the USA and its hegemonic objectives and non-stop power plays.
There is not a single empire that has survived, the latest before WWII being the British with almost all of its colonies having turned the page and discarded the once arrogant dictates of the "Crown" and become independent. Of course, there are so many others like the now very feeble Australia, the 'follow the leader' Canada, UK and New Zealand as examples, still dipping itheir lids to an archaic Royalty, with Governor's-General filling the role of British mouthpieces and passing on the wishes / demands of a master, "well past its due date". So they then chose to become a subservient little state under the control of the arrogant USA, so enjoying the very worst of both worlds. US bases here, there and everywhere, spying on the world from an Australian located US-controlled operation, allowing the transit in and out of B-52 bombers possible armed with nuclear weapons and ready to engage as a junior puppet in any war that the likes of Biden or his mirror image replacement will require, yes, even to taking up arms to give the genocidal Israelis a small dose of credibility. History repeats itself.
"Just yell, Biden. We'll be there" as they were when they needed support in those hegemonic activities in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and who knows how many others.
How the once respected and potentially worthy states have fallen. History repeating itself, as it does.
Finally, if there is anyone in a position of influence in those United States, in stopping the supply of your aircraft, weapons, bombs and dollars and then getting to hell out of the Middle East, this would be good news for all.
Israel, on its stolen Palestinian lands, needs to pass into history as an inhumane and hated state, a 21st century version of The Third Reich with similar values of power and arrogance, performing the same dirty deeds of death for millions.
The world does not need States like Israel and all they represent.
"Jewish terrorism at its finest."
And there you have it. The moron that cannot tell a Jew from a Zionist.
So long as one can say "Christian terrorism at its finest" at the same time and with the same conviction, Im good with it. For me the line is crossed when some dirt bag implies that all Jews are somehow evil, but all Christians (or some other arbitrary group) are good upstanding planetary citizens.
and yes, there is plenty Christian terrorism in the world.
I don't live in the Middle East but in the UK . It is widely believed here that being a progressive Muslim means that I have no strong beliefs and so am "safe" . Thus I am expected to be very pro-Israel because that would be 'normal' and ok . I have had the most surprising hostilty to my refusal to eat pork - perhaps because 'progressive' has the meaning of not causing trouble ? Muslim law allows us to defend ourselves and our families . But most Christians clain to be pacifist - except !
But many Jewish people who are far away from the Middle East will express pride in Israel's success even tho' they never wanted to live there and do not officially approve of genocide etc.!
Then they are Zionists.
Indeed but Zionists act as if they have a right to demand support from other Jews even if they do not agree with the Z. project .
Many Jews reject this insanity. Rather than feeding into the false notion that Anti-Zionism is somehow anti-Jewish Bigotry, by promoting anti-Jewish Bigotry - we need to point out this distinction, and support the dissidence of Torah faithful Jews, rather than condemning them, along side of the Zionists whom they too are protesting.
OK , of course I agree . But I live in the UK and I have known many Jews and their families but only 2 who were anti-zionist . It is scary for them as well as me to be open about my political opinions .
I never said they didn't. But that's part of the reason why Zionism is antisemitic.
Satanyahoo and his cohorts are doing more to promote antisemitism than Hitler ever did.
That's a historical anomaly. Zionism is a rejection of Jewish law and the traditions of more than 2000 years - to create a malignant nationalism that replaces Jewish values. Prior to 1967, less than a majority of world Jewry supported this heretical rebellion against the almighty. At the turn of the 20th century, the majority of Rabbis were warning against it, even calling it Satanic.
The commenter who pointed out the problems with your anti-Jewish bigotry was correct. This isn't about the Jewish culture - but rather, about the cancer that has consumed it - fostered by Imperialists and Luciferian Occultists.
The Neturei Karta are out in the streets vocally protesting and condemning, what you claim is some inherent flaw in Jewish culture. If Caitlin's work is about anything, it's about the power of propaganda and narrative. This is just another proof of her point - and a lesson that you fail to get, for some reason. Zionism and Judaism are antonyms, not synonyms. Zionism is a toxic mimic - like a poisonous mushroom. One doesn't point to that and complain about mushrooms as being toxic per se. The popularity of Zionism over Torah-faithful Judaism is a real problem - just as Dominionism over true Christianity, or Takfiri Wahhabism over Islam. These are Mind Control cults, deliberately organized by western intelligence and occult orders - not authentic expressions of the legitimate faiths that they may have come to dominate.
👏👍Well said!
That does not follow , logically . I don't think illogic is ok in political discussions !
I expect nothing good or truthful anymore from Christians . Yes , of course some actually manage not to think I worship Sheitan but often seem surprised by that fact ! I am also aware that Isa(Jesus) was Jewish and not WASP . I have heard plenty of lies about my people and know perfectly well that (like most people) they need to hate someone !
They are ZIONISTS.
no. They are Judeo-Nazis, in the words of Yeshayahu Leibowitz.
*Zionist.
Zionist.
Anti-Jewish Heretical Blasphemy.
*Zionist. Fixed it for you.
70% of the Israeli people polled are in favor of the Gaza massacre. I don’t believe every one of them are Zionists.
I understand your point not to condemn every Jew. But many Jews are supporting the goals.
They absolutely are. They're indoctrinated into Zionism the same way people are indoctrinated into Christianity. It starts in childhood. Hate has to be taught. You cannot be a Jewish Zionist. Zionism is the antithesis of Judaism.
It is precisely because they are zionists. I see it as a collective mental illness. They have been given carte blanche to do whatever they want with no consequences. Not just the military, but settlers. It is like Lord of the Flies.
They have this blinding hatred of people who've been presented as perverted caricatures, groomed to hate them, carefully constructed by zionism, and apartheid means they rarely even come into contact with Palestinians, like they're the fabled chupacabra or something.
It's otherworldly and I do consider zionists in israel to be collectively criminally insane. Imagine being told it's your god-given right to do whatever you want and you not only don't suffer consequences, your acts of sadistic barbarism are condoned, even celebrated.
Reminiscent of the Roman Empire isn't it. Perhaps Frederico Fellini needs to make a new movie.