Since they are in many ways the opposite of mid-20th century liberals, I think that is how they can be called "fake". No self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc. It's an inversion of what "liberal" has been understood to mean for decades.
I just don't have any idea who these liberals are you are talking about. We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine. I recall how difficult it was in the 1970's to get anyone, especially liberals to speak out against the occupation. In the 1970s, even I.F. Stone couldn't go that far.
After Angela Davis was fired from the University of California, supporting her was not a popular liberal position. It wasn't the liberals who were protesting on behalf of AIM, or Leonard Peliter. The liberal media completely lied in their coverage about Attica. It was the liberal Jimmy Carter who called Ferdinand Marcos and the Shah of Iran his best friends.
Sorry, Jenny, I don't have research data, these are all historical events I lived through, and saw who spoke up, and how we and they considered themselves. I guess the details are found online.
"We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine."
When I said "no self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc." that's exactly how I understood it c.1970 at about age 10 from my working-class extended family in northeastern Massachusetts, who called themselves "liberal". Maybe you're taking about the two-faced "limousine liberals" we disparaged.
This dichotomy certainly became clear by the early 90s when Pat Schroeder had the balls to complain about Paula Jones as being the result of "dragging a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park". That was my wake-up call as to what was happening to the party.
If you have for example lived in new York City, you will find it is the heartland of these fake liberals in their Democratic Party ranks. They support the NYPD’s police brutality, the privatisation of schools and public services, and endless wars abroad. They collude with the real estate moguls and the finance barons to strip the city of value, exploit tenants and the population, and avoid pay the taxes that the city needs to support public services - in return they collect “political donations” from these oligarchs. Even Donald Trump was considered to be popular in their social circles - until he put on the hood and ran against Hillary Clinton.
And yet they claim to be the polar opposites of conservatives. Which is blatantly untrue.
I live in NYC now. The elected city gov is nearly a total woke clown show, never mind the ever-roiling corruption (I love reading NY Post comments dropping hints of what's actually going on). I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning I believe in actual messy democracy for all, not lectures from, and totalitarian rule by, 'the man' behind the curtain. Who of course is now, hilariously, an Animal-Farm-style substitute for the original 'the man'.
"[Liberals] support the NYPD’s police brutality..."
When I was a kid, we were warned against making stereotypes, no matter who the group.... I guess times change. Fun fact: My neighborhood was bypassed by George Floyd rioters who had planned to rip it up, finally opting instead to go to Soho et al after neighborhood leaders talked openly about the fact that "your people" live here.
Anyway, I've decided I'm continuing to report from the inside, and going down with the ship, I have but one life to give to my country. Maybe not all what you wanted to to hear from a resident here, but ...
"A concrete jungle and the exact opposite of nature."
I love the positives each can provide, but at different times. Lived in big cities all my adult life, in 'good' neighborhoods and 'bad'. I do get a chuckle when my suburban liberal relatives lecture me on race, and dish out other signaling silliness.
BTW, I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning that I support actual messy but functioning democracy, rather than stealth totalitarian rule by virtue-signaling vanguards (aka liberals).
Well, I apologize for that remark, Antihip. We’re all different. If you like the Big Apple, who am I to say you shouldn’t live there.
I personally live on a farm and we’re semi self-sufficient. We grow all our own fruits, veggies, and even nuts. I grew up in Flint but I was born to be a country girl. I consider myself blessed to be one; I even had my own horse for ten years and will be looking for another one come spring.
We all help each other out here, whether it’s harvesting fruit, making cider, trimming apple trees, tilling, or baling hay.
I confess also it's time for a lot more greenery at this point in my life. I rent a car to get out of town, even with nothing to do, at least once a month. So you're not too far off.
Sounds like you've got a great setting for yourself, complete with community, and I agree it's hard to want for more.
Since they are in many ways the opposite of mid-20th century liberals, I think that is how they can be called "fake". No self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc. It's an inversion of what "liberal" has been understood to mean for decades.
I just don't have any idea who these liberals are you are talking about. We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine. I recall how difficult it was in the 1970's to get anyone, especially liberals to speak out against the occupation. In the 1970s, even I.F. Stone couldn't go that far.
After Angela Davis was fired from the University of California, supporting her was not a popular liberal position. It wasn't the liberals who were protesting on behalf of AIM, or Leonard Peliter. The liberal media completely lied in their coverage about Attica. It was the liberal Jimmy Carter who called Ferdinand Marcos and the Shah of Iran his best friends.
I did not know this...
Can you elaborate further?
Sorry, Jenny, I don't have research data, these are all historical events I lived through, and saw who spoke up, and how we and they considered themselves. I guess the details are found online.
"We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine."
When I said "no self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc." that's exactly how I understood it c.1970 at about age 10 from my working-class extended family in northeastern Massachusetts, who called themselves "liberal". Maybe you're taking about the two-faced "limousine liberals" we disparaged.
This dichotomy certainly became clear by the early 90s when Pat Schroeder had the balls to complain about Paula Jones as being the result of "dragging a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park". That was my wake-up call as to what was happening to the party.
If you have for example lived in new York City, you will find it is the heartland of these fake liberals in their Democratic Party ranks. They support the NYPD’s police brutality, the privatisation of schools and public services, and endless wars abroad. They collude with the real estate moguls and the finance barons to strip the city of value, exploit tenants and the population, and avoid pay the taxes that the city needs to support public services - in return they collect “political donations” from these oligarchs. Even Donald Trump was considered to be popular in their social circles - until he put on the hood and ran against Hillary Clinton.
And yet they claim to be the polar opposites of conservatives. Which is blatantly untrue.
They are just fake.
I live in NYC now. The elected city gov is nearly a total woke clown show, never mind the ever-roiling corruption (I love reading NY Post comments dropping hints of what's actually going on). I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning I believe in actual messy democracy for all, not lectures from, and totalitarian rule by, 'the man' behind the curtain. Who of course is now, hilariously, an Animal-Farm-style substitute for the original 'the man'.
"[Liberals] support the NYPD’s police brutality..."
When I was a kid, we were warned against making stereotypes, no matter who the group.... I guess times change. Fun fact: My neighborhood was bypassed by George Floyd rioters who had planned to rip it up, finally opting instead to go to Soho et al after neighborhood leaders talked openly about the fact that "your people" live here.
Anyway, I've decided I'm continuing to report from the inside, and going down with the ship, I have but one life to give to my country. Maybe not all what you wanted to to hear from a resident here, but ...
You live in Noo Yawk Shitty, Antihip? Poor you.
We used to visit relatives in upstate NY frequently, and they always commented on what a nice state it would be if it didn’t include NYC.
I was there exactly once. Horrible. A concrete jungle and the exact opposite of nature.
"A concrete jungle and the exact opposite of nature."
I love the positives each can provide, but at different times. Lived in big cities all my adult life, in 'good' neighborhoods and 'bad'. I do get a chuckle when my suburban liberal relatives lecture me on race, and dish out other signaling silliness.
BTW, I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning that I support actual messy but functioning democracy, rather than stealth totalitarian rule by virtue-signaling vanguards (aka liberals).
Well, I apologize for that remark, Antihip. We’re all different. If you like the Big Apple, who am I to say you shouldn’t live there.
I personally live on a farm and we’re semi self-sufficient. We grow all our own fruits, veggies, and even nuts. I grew up in Flint but I was born to be a country girl. I consider myself blessed to be one; I even had my own horse for ten years and will be looking for another one come spring.
We all help each other out here, whether it’s harvesting fruit, making cider, trimming apple trees, tilling, or baling hay.
It a beautiful thang 😊
I confess also it's time for a lot more greenery at this point in my life. I rent a car to get out of town, even with nothing to do, at least once a month. So you're not too far off.
Sounds like you've got a great setting for yourself, complete with community, and I agree it's hard to want for more.
Gypsy my dear friend.
It might be a 'concrete jungle' to you who live in the rural area of the US.
One thing I can tell you: Is NY was (perhaps is) the only place in the USA where one could have a conversation.
It didn't matter what side of the Establishment you were from there was conversation without 'brawls' or gun toting individuals.
MOST Europeans love NY City because they are people who will listen!
I just had 2 friends of mine (now living in France) who drove from NYC to Seattle. They were terrified to open their mouths out in the boondocks.