This is not surprising. The fake liberals have been doing this domestically forever.
If you spend time in the US you will find all these fake liberals that have been central to the creative of a country that persecutes its poor for being poor, exploits them, refuse them basic social infrastucture, has the worlds biggest police force chasing them on the streets, and a mass incarceration state that imprisons them at higher rates than any country they call a dictatorship. All of these things that add up to massive structural inequality - the fake liberals DEMAND them.
But everyone continues to let them call themselves liberal because they support abortion rights and they wave rainbow flags.
The so-called west is a mentally empty space. And the rest of the world cannot continue to afford this level of vapidity.
A number of years ago I went out to lunch with some Jewish friends who were very active politically on all fronts, including Israel. A woman, I guess someone invited along for the ride, asked me as soon as she saw me what my ethnicity was and I told her I was half Polish, and didn't even get a chance to tell her about the rest of me. When I told her she immediately said, your people killed my people, always the victim. I told her my people were in this country for a very long time, poor, in both, and I doubt they had nothing better to do then run around killing Jews, and said to her lets talk about killing Palestinians. That shut her mouth. I think there are too many Jewish people who are raised on a sense of their victimhood as a people which blinds them to the fact they can be culpable in victimizing others. Always innocent, and any one they kill no doubt meant them harm. Often when people write about the holocaust implemented by Hitler a whole lot of groups get left out of the discussion and the focus is solely on the Jewish population. I think all of this blinds them to their very obvious capacity to victimize others since they look to the past for a pardon. They along with the rest of the world were also inculcated with the prejudicial views of Arabs which helped them from the beginning to implement a genocide of their own, The nakba.
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I see it in movies and books. Really disgusting. There were plenty of others that were targeted in the Holocaust. Yes, the Jews may have been the main focus for Hitler and his henchmen, but the Roma(gypsies), homosexuals, mentally/physically challenged children and adults(euthanasia programs were in different places in Germany and Austria, I believe at the time for the sole purpose of extermination of these people, especially the children), Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Communists among others. Yet most of these movies and/or books or articles don’t focus on these populations like they do the Jews. It shows the biasness of our corporate mainstream media and the companies/publishers/writers/directors etc. I mentioned Ukrainians above b/c even though a lot of them did cooperate with the Nazis, like the Banderites did, there were many I’m sure who did not. One example of this is a recent episode of Law & Order that depicted pro -Palestinian protesters as antisemitic in that in this episode a Jewish professor was brutally murdered by a pro -Palestinian activist encouraged to do it by a woman of middle eastern heritage. It was so blatantly obvious as to what the producers of the show were trying to depict right up to the ending where two young men get in fist fight in the courthouse after the trial. One was of Muslim or Arab ethnicity and the other I presume was Jewish. It’s so blatantly biased in this way.
"I told her I was half Polish, and didn't even get a chance to tell her about the rest of me. When I told her she immediately said, your people killed my people, always the victim."
So, was this woman accusing you of a blood libel? I thought that was supposed to be a bad thing, or is that only sometimes?
I don't care what her accusations are based on. It was an inappropriate question that had no relevance to me but to further her own prejudices and play victim.
I love the idea that Americans look back to where they came from:
It doesn't mean shit. All you will find is that immigrants were treated badly!
In the global world we have all come from somewhere......why is it that US citizens deride there origins in Europe but NEED to know where they come from?
People in the US shit upon Europeans who came to America to find a better life.
You call Europeans names that frankly you have no knowledge of.
IF the Europeans had NOT come to your country who would have?
There were indigenous citizens already in your country...........who you wiped out.
I suppose the Europeans should be blamed for this?
In many cases: The Irish famine was caused by colonialism by the British BUT in the US you treated them like 2nd class citizens. The same with the Polish people/Ukranians.
All it was about if you take time to read is MONEY
Immigrants coming into the USA NOW are worth nothing.
I have a number of degrees in several areas, so screw you, and by the way I don''t know any religion that can look back on it's history and make the claim we were always a peaceful lot. So screw you again.
Here's another band of merry idiots, but they are heart and soul better then you who espouse murder and death.
You are the Nazi now!!!
Pro-Palestinian Jewish group wants to see end of US funding for Israel
Jewish Voice for Peace is determined to see a ceasefire in Gaza and an end to US funding for Israel. Since October 7th the group has used mass protest as well as personal calls to US politicians to advocate for changes to US foreign policy – specifically targeting the influence the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has in US politics.
Why are you even pursuing this since it bares no significance to what is going on, and what is going on is a genocide, a very violent one indeed implemented by Israel against the Palestinians.
Since they are in many ways the opposite of mid-20th century liberals, I think that is how they can be called "fake". No self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc. It's an inversion of what "liberal" has been understood to mean for decades.
I just don't have any idea who these liberals are you are talking about. We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine. I recall how difficult it was in the 1970's to get anyone, especially liberals to speak out against the occupation. In the 1970s, even I.F. Stone couldn't go that far.
After Angela Davis was fired from the University of California, supporting her was not a popular liberal position. It wasn't the liberals who were protesting on behalf of AIM, or Leonard Peliter. The liberal media completely lied in their coverage about Attica. It was the liberal Jimmy Carter who called Ferdinand Marcos and the Shah of Iran his best friends.
Sorry, Jenny, I don't have research data, these are all historical events I lived through, and saw who spoke up, and how we and they considered themselves. I guess the details are found online.
"We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine."
When I said "no self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc." that's exactly how I understood it c.1970 at about age 10 from my working-class extended family in northeastern Massachusetts, who called themselves "liberal". Maybe you're taking about the two-faced "limousine liberals" we disparaged.
This dichotomy certainly became clear by the early 90s when Pat Schroeder had the balls to complain about Paula Jones as being the result of "dragging a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park". That was my wake-up call as to what was happening to the party.
If you have for example lived in new York City, you will find it is the heartland of these fake liberals in their Democratic Party ranks. They support the NYPD’s police brutality, the privatisation of schools and public services, and endless wars abroad. They collude with the real estate moguls and the finance barons to strip the city of value, exploit tenants and the population, and avoid pay the taxes that the city needs to support public services - in return they collect “political donations” from these oligarchs. Even Donald Trump was considered to be popular in their social circles - until he put on the hood and ran against Hillary Clinton.
And yet they claim to be the polar opposites of conservatives. Which is blatantly untrue.
I live in NYC now. The elected city gov is nearly a total woke clown show, never mind the ever-roiling corruption (I love reading NY Post comments dropping hints of what's actually going on). I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning I believe in actual messy democracy for all, not lectures from, and totalitarian rule by, 'the man' behind the curtain. Who of course is now, hilariously, an Animal-Farm-style substitute for the original 'the man'.
"[Liberals] support the NYPD’s police brutality..."
When I was a kid, we were warned against making stereotypes, no matter who the group.... I guess times change. Fun fact: My neighborhood was bypassed by George Floyd rioters who had planned to rip it up, finally opting instead to go to Soho et al after neighborhood leaders talked openly about the fact that "your people" live here.
Anyway, I've decided I'm continuing to report from the inside, and going down with the ship, I have but one life to give to my country. Maybe not all what you wanted to to hear from a resident here, but ...
"A concrete jungle and the exact opposite of nature."
I love the positives each can provide, but at different times. Lived in big cities all my adult life, in 'good' neighborhoods and 'bad'. I do get a chuckle when my suburban liberal relatives lecture me on race, and dish out other signaling silliness.
BTW, I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning that I support actual messy but functioning democracy, rather than stealth totalitarian rule by virtue-signaling vanguards (aka liberals).
I am on the Washington Post. I won't leave because I am doing a good job commenting against these uneducated so-called Liberal elitists who assume that Biden is doing a good job!
Drives me nutz.
My idea is you fight 'fire with fire' and you do NOT stop buying these papers.
I think I am getting through and sending people to substack.
This is not surprising. The fake liberals have been doing this domestically forever.
If you spend time in the US you will find all these fake liberals that have been central to the creative of a country that persecutes its poor for being poor, exploits them, refuse them basic social infrastucture, has the worlds biggest police force chasing them on the streets, and a mass incarceration state that imprisons them at higher rates than any country they call a dictatorship. All of these things that add up to massive structural inequality - the fake liberals DEMAND them.
But everyone continues to let them call themselves liberal because they support abortion rights and they wave rainbow flags.
The so-called west is a mentally empty space. And the rest of the world cannot continue to afford this level of vapidity.
A number of years ago I went out to lunch with some Jewish friends who were very active politically on all fronts, including Israel. A woman, I guess someone invited along for the ride, asked me as soon as she saw me what my ethnicity was and I told her I was half Polish, and didn't even get a chance to tell her about the rest of me. When I told her she immediately said, your people killed my people, always the victim. I told her my people were in this country for a very long time, poor, in both, and I doubt they had nothing better to do then run around killing Jews, and said to her lets talk about killing Palestinians. That shut her mouth. I think there are too many Jewish people who are raised on a sense of their victimhood as a people which blinds them to the fact they can be culpable in victimizing others. Always innocent, and any one they kill no doubt meant them harm. Often when people write about the holocaust implemented by Hitler a whole lot of groups get left out of the discussion and the focus is solely on the Jewish population. I think all of this blinds them to their very obvious capacity to victimize others since they look to the past for a pardon. They along with the rest of the world were also inculcated with the prejudicial views of Arabs which helped them from the beginning to implement a genocide of their own, The nakba.
Well said Fran, and good for you!
Thanks!
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. I see it in movies and books. Really disgusting. There were plenty of others that were targeted in the Holocaust. Yes, the Jews may have been the main focus for Hitler and his henchmen, but the Roma(gypsies), homosexuals, mentally/physically challenged children and adults(euthanasia programs were in different places in Germany and Austria, I believe at the time for the sole purpose of extermination of these people, especially the children), Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Communists among others. Yet most of these movies and/or books or articles don’t focus on these populations like they do the Jews. It shows the biasness of our corporate mainstream media and the companies/publishers/writers/directors etc. I mentioned Ukrainians above b/c even though a lot of them did cooperate with the Nazis, like the Banderites did, there were many I’m sure who did not. One example of this is a recent episode of Law & Order that depicted pro -Palestinian protesters as antisemitic in that in this episode a Jewish professor was brutally murdered by a pro -Palestinian activist encouraged to do it by a woman of middle eastern heritage. It was so blatantly obvious as to what the producers of the show were trying to depict right up to the ending where two young men get in fist fight in the courthouse after the trial. One was of Muslim or Arab ethnicity and the other I presume was Jewish. It’s so blatantly biased in this way.
Wow, great coverage Sylvia!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I told her I was half Polish, and didn't even get a chance to tell her about the rest of me. When I told her she immediately said, your people killed my people, always the victim."
So, was this woman accusing you of a blood libel? I thought that was supposed to be a bad thing, or is that only sometimes?
I don't care what her accusations are based on. It was an inappropriate question that had no relevance to me but to further her own prejudices and play victim.
I love the idea that Americans look back to where they came from:
It doesn't mean shit. All you will find is that immigrants were treated badly!
In the global world we have all come from somewhere......why is it that US citizens deride there origins in Europe but NEED to know where they come from?
People in the US shit upon Europeans who came to America to find a better life.
You call Europeans names that frankly you have no knowledge of.
IF the Europeans had NOT come to your country who would have?
There were indigenous citizens already in your country...........who you wiped out.
I suppose the Europeans should be blamed for this?
In many cases: The Irish famine was caused by colonialism by the British BUT in the US you treated them like 2nd class citizens. The same with the Polish people/Ukranians.
All it was about if you take time to read is MONEY
Immigrants coming into the USA NOW are worth nothing.
Capitalism is the name of the game.
I am not quite sure whom you are on about, but I was born in a pile of hay on the upper floor of a barn, and I lived much of my adult life in europe.
I have a number of degrees in several areas, so screw you, and by the way I don''t know any religion that can look back on it's history and make the claim we were always a peaceful lot. So screw you again.
Here's another band of merry idiots, but they are heart and soul better then you who espouse murder and death.
You are the Nazi now!!!
Pro-Palestinian Jewish group wants to see end of US funding for Israel
Jewish Voice for Peace is determined to see a ceasefire in Gaza and an end to US funding for Israel. Since October 7th the group has used mass protest as well as personal calls to US politicians to advocate for changes to US foreign policy – specifically targeting the influence the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has in US politics.
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/3/4/pro-palestinian-jewish-group-wants-to-see-end-of-us-funding-for-israel
Why are you even pursuing this since it bares no significance to what is going on, and what is going on is a genocide, a very violent one indeed implemented by Israel against the Palestinians.
Yes. Buddhism (Theravada) Look at Myanmar/Thailand/Sri Lanka!
I do not see a link?
I don't spend time or entertain people who think they can be abusive using their sense of anonymity to do so.
I'm not sure what the "fake" adds to the term "liberal." These people are the liberals and this is what they do. No fakery necessary.
Since they are in many ways the opposite of mid-20th century liberals, I think that is how they can be called "fake". No self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc. It's an inversion of what "liberal" has been understood to mean for decades.
I just don't have any idea who these liberals are you are talking about. We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine. I recall how difficult it was in the 1970's to get anyone, especially liberals to speak out against the occupation. In the 1970s, even I.F. Stone couldn't go that far.
After Angela Davis was fired from the University of California, supporting her was not a popular liberal position. It wasn't the liberals who were protesting on behalf of AIM, or Leonard Peliter. The liberal media completely lied in their coverage about Attica. It was the liberal Jimmy Carter who called Ferdinand Marcos and the Shah of Iran his best friends.
I did not know this...
Can you elaborate further?
Sorry, Jenny, I don't have research data, these are all historical events I lived through, and saw who spoke up, and how we and they considered themselves. I guess the details are found online.
"We must have been living in alternate universes for that to be your view of liberals as compared to mine."
When I said "no self-respecting liberal in 1970 would be against free speech, for uncritical war, against poor whites while supporting POC/women/gays, etc." that's exactly how I understood it c.1970 at about age 10 from my working-class extended family in northeastern Massachusetts, who called themselves "liberal". Maybe you're taking about the two-faced "limousine liberals" we disparaged.
This dichotomy certainly became clear by the early 90s when Pat Schroeder had the balls to complain about Paula Jones as being the result of "dragging a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park". That was my wake-up call as to what was happening to the party.
If you have for example lived in new York City, you will find it is the heartland of these fake liberals in their Democratic Party ranks. They support the NYPD’s police brutality, the privatisation of schools and public services, and endless wars abroad. They collude with the real estate moguls and the finance barons to strip the city of value, exploit tenants and the population, and avoid pay the taxes that the city needs to support public services - in return they collect “political donations” from these oligarchs. Even Donald Trump was considered to be popular in their social circles - until he put on the hood and ran against Hillary Clinton.
And yet they claim to be the polar opposites of conservatives. Which is blatantly untrue.
They are just fake.
I live in NYC now. The elected city gov is nearly a total woke clown show, never mind the ever-roiling corruption (I love reading NY Post comments dropping hints of what's actually going on). I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning I believe in actual messy democracy for all, not lectures from, and totalitarian rule by, 'the man' behind the curtain. Who of course is now, hilariously, an Animal-Farm-style substitute for the original 'the man'.
"[Liberals] support the NYPD’s police brutality..."
When I was a kid, we were warned against making stereotypes, no matter who the group.... I guess times change. Fun fact: My neighborhood was bypassed by George Floyd rioters who had planned to rip it up, finally opting instead to go to Soho et al after neighborhood leaders talked openly about the fact that "your people" live here.
Anyway, I've decided I'm continuing to report from the inside, and going down with the ship, I have but one life to give to my country. Maybe not all what you wanted to to hear from a resident here, but ...
You live in Noo Yawk Shitty, Antihip? Poor you.
We used to visit relatives in upstate NY frequently, and they always commented on what a nice state it would be if it didn’t include NYC.
I was there exactly once. Horrible. A concrete jungle and the exact opposite of nature.
"A concrete jungle and the exact opposite of nature."
I love the positives each can provide, but at different times. Lived in big cities all my adult life, in 'good' neighborhoods and 'bad'. I do get a chuckle when my suburban liberal relatives lecture me on race, and dish out other signaling silliness.
BTW, I'm to the Left of Marx, meaning that I support actual messy but functioning democracy, rather than stealth totalitarian rule by virtue-signaling vanguards (aka liberals).
Gypsy my dear friend.
It might be a 'concrete jungle' to you who live in the rural area of the US.
One thing I can tell you: Is NY was (perhaps is) the only place in the USA where one could have a conversation.
It didn't matter what side of the Establishment you were from there was conversation without 'brawls' or gun toting individuals.
MOST Europeans love NY City because they are people who will listen!
I just had 2 friends of mine (now living in France) who drove from NYC to Seattle. They were terrified to open their mouths out in the boondocks.
You definitely have a point.
100% agree.
I am on the Washington Post. I won't leave because I am doing a good job commenting against these uneducated so-called Liberal elitists who assume that Biden is doing a good job!
Drives me nutz.
My idea is you fight 'fire with fire' and you do NOT stop buying these papers.
I think I am getting through and sending people to substack.