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I missed this whole thread. I'd better quit working.

I've been following Alison Weir's work since my father died in 2004--she wrote condolences and told me he had been a strong supporter for a long time. I have never seen anything that reeks of anti-semitism in her work. I had not read the story about purloined body parts but I have read about that elsewhere and do not doubt it happened, though why anyone would want an organ that wasn't fresh, I do not understand. Still, the Israelis have been peculiarly focused on re-visiting hospitals they've already destroyed. And eager to kill patients who would die eventually without care anyway. it is odd.

I read some of the JVC stuff and other links above. It sounds to me as though the JVC are trying to put the spotlight on their victiomhood and, frankly, I'm sick of that dynamic. Stop making this all about your friggin' FEELINGS. If you really care about Palestine, how about keeping your eyes on the people who really matter in this issue? (Hint: It's not American Jews who want to be viewed as liberal and non-racist.)

And, if I might, let me add the elephant in the room:

ARABS ARE BY DEFINITION SEMITES WHICH MOST AMERICAN JEWS ARE NOT. Arabs are the recipients of anti-Semitism to such a high degree that they're being slaughtered every day in multiple countries. GET OVER YOURSELVES. And if this makes no sense to you, a Semite is someone whose mother tongue is a Semitic language which does NOT characterize most American Jews.

You are not the central figures in this "war". I understand it is not a fun time to be a person who identifies at "Jewish" (though what that means varies widely), but this is not about you.

The reason Palestinians are being murdered and their history destroyed is that Israelis (and many Westerners) do not consider them human.

Weir's book is small and interesting to me because it is the work of someone who came to this issue all on her own at a time when most of the U.S. was busy spreading anti-Semitic memes about Arabs and Muslims. She's kept at it for several decades (that I know about). And she recognized that educating Americans was of utmost importance. I agree and this is why I support her. If you don't like that fact, tough shit.

So if you are really an ally of Palestine, stop making it about yourself and focus on the people who are being exterminated. Shut up about anti-Semitism. The term has been so trashed by Zionist propaganda it's next to meaningless anyway. You don't like negative memes about Jews? You should try being a person of color.

Everyone has something to contribute in this fight. Stop trying to minimize Weir's impact. She's been so steadfast. I would have quit in exhaustion and depression long before now.

This anti-Semitism business is another weapon in Israel's tool-kit. Just stop it.

And her book is worth the paper is written on. American Jews seem to think they are the experts on Israel. You're not. For decades your families sent money to that criminal state and forced the rest of us to support it. I think American Jess have a lot to answer for.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

nosey-parker: I'm not sure who your comment addresses (and for what purpose). I listed a few examples (by famous, reputable & credible people & organizations) on the topic. If you have problems with the content, I suggest you take it up with the authors/source of the content (and not the messenger).

Another problem with your comment is that you are making strawman arguments that are unrelated to what I wrote. (re: I personally have not made any arguments for or aginst anti-semitist - in fact, I don't even mention the word once). So I'm not sure what inferences you are making. Maybe you are having an argument with yourself about something you assume from the comment?

Also, I'm not sure on what basis you make the assumptions you do about me.

Examples:

(1)"You should try being a person of color" ? What makes you think I am or am not?

(2) "I understand it is not a fun time to be a person who identifies at "Jewish" (though what that means varies widely), but this is not about you." ? What makes you think I am Jewish?

(3) What makes you think "I" said anything about anti-semitism? (or that this discussion was about anti-semitism)?

Again, none of the opinions in my original comment are mine. So go take up the discussion with them if you are rattled/triggered with the arguments presented by them. (and maybe re-read by original comment - maybe that will help).

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nosey parker's avatar

Aaargh! I was not addressing you. I was responding to some of the many links people posted in trying to discredit Alison Weir. I had no idea all this was going on. Not you. Please do not think that I was responding to you. Mostly I'm responding to the JVC and the coalition that has been attacking her. Not you at all. This is one of the problems with the way Substacks sets up their comments section. Sorry!

My post still stands. All of it. But it is not directed at you.

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