I'm reading the book on the Israeli Lobby by John Mearsheimer and how it impacts US foreign policy and basically it's made up of people, groups, that have a lot of influence in pushing a pro-Israeli policy, and foreign policy and too often has negative effects when it comes to American interests. It makes sure we also enrich Israel and support it's policies. I was reading that their were quite a few Christian Zionists as well. If we didn't have that lobby in the US we wouldn't be supplying weapons, and we wouldn't be part of it, and no doubt Israel would not be implementing this genocide. AIPAC has got to go! Interesting that Reagan didn't take their shit, then it was all down hill from there.
I highly recommend also the book - "Against our Better Judgment'. The author, Alison Weir, labors feverishly to open American eyes about our relationship with Israel and the ongoing horrors in Gaza. Her web site is: https://israelpalestinenews.org/ She does as much as any one person can do, to publish the plight of the Palestinians - and deserves all our support.
Thanks, I go to Alzazeera everyday and see the horror now another site. Thanks for this one. Sometimes I just can't believe it. I don't know how Israeli's can see this and not be in the streets protesting. It's so incredibly inhumane. They're not. They want Netanyahu gone but no country wide protest against this genocide.
We have seen some Israelis stick their necks out, and refuse to support Netanyahu's genocide, some refusing to serve in the military - each of these suffering to some extent certain consequences for their courage. Unfortunately, the proportion of people in Israel decrying the brutality against Palestinians, reflects the proportion here in the US too. Not enough.. not enough.
I know but too few and certainly not enough to make any difference at all. True in the US as well, and other groups and having been part of the antiwar movement from the beginning in the US it had little to no impact. They do what they want to do and nothing will stop these autocratic bastards.
The frustration of course, is that there is so little we can do! What a travesty of justice that the nations of the world pay such lip service to human rights, but when a catastrophe like this happens, they sit on their 'arms'.. (we pray daily for a ceasefire; and that the Lord God will 'scatter those that delight in war'. - Psalm 68:30)
I agree, but makes it so horrible is watching it all unfold on Aljazeera, which makes it all the worse that so little if anything is done. Those that are in control seem to be telling us they don't count and neither do you. I hope God scatters them to hell.
"Jewish Voice for Peace has chosen not to work with you because our central tenet is opposition to racism in all its forms, and you have chosen repeatedly to associate yourself with people who advocate for racism.
You have been a repeat guest of white supremacist Clay Douglas on his hate radio show, the Free American. Clay Douglas is concerned primarily with the survival of the White race and sees malign Jewish influence everywhere. His racist, anti-Jewish, and anti-gay rhetoric can be found across the front pages of his multiple websites."
I missed this whole thread. I'd better quit working.
I've been following Alison Weir's work since my father died in 2004--she wrote condolences and told me he had been a strong supporter for a long time. I have never seen anything that reeks of anti-semitism in her work. I had not read the story about purloined body parts but I have read about that elsewhere and do not doubt it happened, though why anyone would want an organ that wasn't fresh, I do not understand. Still, the Israelis have been peculiarly focused on re-visiting hospitals they've already destroyed. And eager to kill patients who would die eventually without care anyway. it is odd.
I read some of the JVC stuff and other links above. It sounds to me as though the JVC are trying to put the spotlight on their victiomhood and, frankly, I'm sick of that dynamic. Stop making this all about your friggin' FEELINGS. If you really care about Palestine, how about keeping your eyes on the people who really matter in this issue? (Hint: It's not American Jews who want to be viewed as liberal and non-racist.)
And, if I might, let me add the elephant in the room:
ARABS ARE BY DEFINITION SEMITES WHICH MOST AMERICAN JEWS ARE NOT. Arabs are the recipients of anti-Semitism to such a high degree that they're being slaughtered every day in multiple countries. GET OVER YOURSELVES. And if this makes no sense to you, a Semite is someone whose mother tongue is a Semitic language which does NOT characterize most American Jews.
You are not the central figures in this "war". I understand it is not a fun time to be a person who identifies at "Jewish" (though what that means varies widely), but this is not about you.
The reason Palestinians are being murdered and their history destroyed is that Israelis (and many Westerners) do not consider them human.
Weir's book is small and interesting to me because it is the work of someone who came to this issue all on her own at a time when most of the U.S. was busy spreading anti-Semitic memes about Arabs and Muslims. She's kept at it for several decades (that I know about). And she recognized that educating Americans was of utmost importance. I agree and this is why I support her. If you don't like that fact, tough shit.
So if you are really an ally of Palestine, stop making it about yourself and focus on the people who are being exterminated. Shut up about anti-Semitism. The term has been so trashed by Zionist propaganda it's next to meaningless anyway. You don't like negative memes about Jews? You should try being a person of color.
Everyone has something to contribute in this fight. Stop trying to minimize Weir's impact. She's been so steadfast. I would have quit in exhaustion and depression long before now.
This anti-Semitism business is another weapon in Israel's tool-kit. Just stop it.
And her book is worth the paper is written on. American Jews seem to think they are the experts on Israel. You're not. For decades your families sent money to that criminal state and forced the rest of us to support it. I think American Jess have a lot to answer for.
nosey-parker: I'm not sure who your comment addresses (and for what purpose). I listed a few examples (by famous, reputable & credible people & organizations) on the topic. If you have problems with the content, I suggest you take it up with the authors/source of the content (and not the messenger).
Another problem with your comment is that you are making strawman arguments that are unrelated to what I wrote. (re: I personally have not made any arguments for or aginst anti-semitist - in fact, I don't even mention the word once). So I'm not sure what inferences you are making. Maybe you are having an argument with yourself about something you assume from the comment?
Also, I'm not sure on what basis you make the assumptions you do about me.
Examples:
(1)"You should try being a person of color" ? What makes you think I am or am not?
(2) "I understand it is not a fun time to be a person who identifies at "Jewish" (though what that means varies widely), but this is not about you." ? What makes you think I am Jewish?
(3) What makes you think "I" said anything about anti-semitism? (or that this discussion was about anti-semitism)?
Again, none of the opinions in my original comment are mine. So go take up the discussion with them if you are rattled/triggered with the arguments presented by them. (and maybe re-read by original comment - maybe that will help).
Aaargh! I was not addressing you. I was responding to some of the many links people posted in trying to discredit Alison Weir. I had no idea all this was going on. Not you. Please do not think that I was responding to you. Mostly I'm responding to the JVC and the coalition that has been attacking her. Not you at all. This is one of the problems with the way Substacks sets up their comments section. Sorry!
My post still stands. All of it. But it is not directed at you.
Jewish Voice for Peace wrote to Alison Weir - 'In the course of your appearance with Clay Douglas on 8/25/2010, you were silent when Douglas invoked the Protocols of the Elders of Zion'. I read the Protocols of Zion. I find it interesting that the Jewish Community does not negate them. These protocols are not only chillingly reflective of the brutal world we see unfolding, to not 'call them out', shows bias, but to criticize people who do, borders on complicity of their savage principles.
>>"I read the Protocols of Zion....These protocols are not only chillingly reflective of the brutal world we see unfolding..."
This simple statement you make is more indicative of your thought process and mindset than anything else you have said. There is nothing I could say, no amount of reason, rationality, or logic - that would have an impact on you or get you to question your assumptions and assertions on the beliefs that you hold.
I guess you didn't read (or understand) my comment, so let me paraphrase:
There's nothing I could say "TO YOU" that would get you to examine your bias.
But there are other readers in this community that will take what they will from refutations of your logic and bias. (Unless of course you prefer people accept your opinions unquestioningly and don't wish for them to challenge you or call you out on them).
You remind me of a short debate I had with a local 'friend'. The friendship didn't last the debate however, since I was presenting evidence and seeking answers that never came. I was labeled instead.. 'deceived'. As soon as the labels come out, you know the discussion is over.
Let's leave aside that the leaps of logic, critical thinking errors, and weak referential integrity of the relationships you question (might I add conspiratorially) doesn't provide a shred of evidence to backup anything you say (other than your opinions).
A common strategy for people to attack others is:
(1) Cast doubt on any source that disagrees with your point of view using the classic "Who funds x,y,z"? Valid questions. But before such questions are asked (and this can be asked of all/any groups or individuals - even the ones you agree with), one needs to do due dilligence of the content. In this example, you seem eager to cast doubt on "Arab America" by using the familiar question "Who funds this?" regardless of any research as to the integrity OR accuracy of the material produced by the group. So why should anyone fall for your classic attempts at deflection?
This is just one example of the strategies that deniers use when they don't have facts or evidence to back up their claims. So they have a proclivity to weave these threads by "attempting to plant seeds of doubt" in an effort to abrogate critical thinking.
I could go on with a detailed analysis of the errors in your comment, but IMO it is not worth the time - as you have already demonstrated your stance and bias beyond any shadow of a doubt.
(PS: many people use the same strategies you use - including Israel. How many times has Israel attempted to cast doubt and villify/discredit/defame a source using the "who funds" argument? How many times have Israel tried to disrepute and stigmatize sources that reveal evidence that goes against their narrative? How often does Israel use the same tactic that you do (of giving significance to relationships that might not have any significance or bearing on the situation at all? (re:"executive director Rebecca Vilkomerson's husband was/is still working for Checkpoint, an "israeli" cyber security firm that makes monitoring software.")
Your comment, unfortunately, reeks of the same strategies that Israel uses to rebutt any facts/evidence that go against its narrative and interests.
I know Reagan, and read those before him weren't as influenced by AIPAC, and now they have incredible control. I really believe this genocide would have never have happened if AIPAC wasn't around.
Russian, bot M who is always abusive toward me, demeans me when ever he can, did it again and I said I hope they take you for swim upstream without your gills. Joking but he sent the message below. I see it as a physical threat. What goes on here. I want to report him to substack, and did report him for other remarks , but it makes no difference.
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Remove my gills?
That sounds painful.
And, then go swimming?
I’ll die.
That sounds like it has a mean intent to it.
Are you a mean SOB?
Excuse my error.
Daughter of a ……….
Sorry Fran.
You want to keep referencing me in an unfair/unflattering manner, I know where to find you, and what to do.
Every president since Eisenhower has been captured by the pro-Israeli lobby, whether it was AIPAC or not. The pro-Zionist machine began in 1917 in the U.S. pushed by Rothschild and Brandeis. Even presidents who wanted to change our policy towards Israel could not because Congress was captured. There is a fairly strong argument that JFK was assassinated by Mossad because he did not want to support Israel. He saw the danger in it which we are seeing today.
Regarding the conversation preceding this, when a person has lost the argument he/she attacks their opponent. Do not engage. Please. It's a waste of time and energy. Stay focused on what really matters.
Yeah I know they had an influence back then and even Brandeis spoke to Balfour to get the Zionists, Palestine, and a lot of arm twisting went on in 1948. They depended on that colonial mindset still in place back then not to mention the prejudice that was felt toward the Muslim world, and the Arabs, which is still prevalent.
According to Alison Weir who runs the If Americans Knew dot org web-site and who wrote a book on the Palestinian situation, Brandeis, Rothschild, and a few other powerful and/or rich Western Zionists made it a condition of the U.S.' joining the fight in WWI that they agree to the establishment of a Jewish homeland. This is why the Balfour Declaration was written. That was in 1917--not 1948. European Jews were moving to Palestine and buying land (and sometimes stealing it through terror) long before the Nakba.
Well put, Fran. If it doesn’t go , you will have no America worth a damn and never will have again the America that everyone wants to have, if that makes sense.
That is danger #1. Bribery and corruption is danger #2. Thick on the ground escalating from the 86% of the Congress and soon with elections close, on the way up again. You know it. Everyone knows it.
Billions in aid from Biden to Israel with the same money returning from Israel to totally own a government
Don't ever think for a second that they will stop trying to own America. They have virtually owned it since the death of JFK. Consolidated without question in 1967.
It was called the USS Liberty scandal and scandal it was. Right Lyndon?
They knew then that the USA was under their control.
Why will they continue? Because they can. Stand at the door of an AIPAC "conference" and count them as they come in , all wanting to be seen by the US-domiciled Israelis, laughing under their sleeves while posing as loyal Americans, to ensure that their funding is there the next time....... and forever. It is so obvious. Blatantly obvious.
The rest of the world knows it to be so, but not the voters, faced as they will be with a possible choice of a Trump, (if the courts allow him based on past exploits) or a Biden,( if he doesn't fall of the stage in the meantime), a Democratic-minded Republican or a Republican-minded Democrat, (who cares) both tarred with the same brush, both owned by the same corrupt people. .....Militarists, Blackrocks, Banks, British Jews, the Davos deviates, WHO, WEF, all of whom still need the nod from the people to be able to continue their power games.
Right now, there is nothing to stop them winding up for yet another tilt at continuing as the ongoing world power brokers..
But……out of 330 million people, it is hard for any rational thinker to believe that 9 months from now, ……a Trump or a Biden.
A first step is to figure out how to get AIPAC charged with failing to register as a foreign agent. Who’s up for doing the research on that? I miss the old days of user groups where people could interact and brainstorm. There are many benefits tonTPTB to keeping the people divided. One of which is to prevent us from from being able to find, and being, synergies and catalysts for change that benefits humanity instead of elites.
I don't or didn't hate Trump the way many did, although I didn't vote for him, and not Biden either. I really don't trust either one to be fair, or be even handed when it comes to Israel. It really disturbs me that Israel or any country, but particularly Israel, has that kind of control over our politicians that we vote into office. or that any country would. "Groundbreaking’: Michigan’s uncommitted vote for Gaza should ‘worry’ Biden. Michigan movement ‘surpasses expectations’ with more than 100,000 votes cast in protest of unequivocal US support for Israel." I hope this takes off state by state, and if Trump should win he will have gotten the message, or maybe that's wishful thinking on my part. There is a part of me that just can't believe what is going on. It's so heart breaking. They say the Israeli's are protesting Netanyahu, and want him gone but not the genocide. I don't understand their lack of caring. I won't forget. I hope boycotts abound on a world wide level.
I'm reading the book on the Israeli Lobby by John Mearsheimer and how it impacts US foreign policy and basically it's made up of people, groups, that have a lot of influence in pushing a pro-Israeli policy, and foreign policy and too often has negative effects when it comes to American interests. It makes sure we also enrich Israel and support it's policies. I was reading that their were quite a few Christian Zionists as well. If we didn't have that lobby in the US we wouldn't be supplying weapons, and we wouldn't be part of it, and no doubt Israel would not be implementing this genocide. AIPAC has got to go! Interesting that Reagan didn't take their shit, then it was all down hill from there.
I highly recommend also the book - "Against our Better Judgment'. The author, Alison Weir, labors feverishly to open American eyes about our relationship with Israel and the ongoing horrors in Gaza. Her web site is: https://israelpalestinenews.org/ She does as much as any one person can do, to publish the plight of the Palestinians - and deserves all our support.
Thanks, I go to Alzazeera everyday and see the horror now another site. Thanks for this one. Sometimes I just can't believe it. I don't know how Israeli's can see this and not be in the streets protesting. It's so incredibly inhumane. They're not. They want Netanyahu gone but no country wide protest against this genocide.
We have seen some Israelis stick their necks out, and refuse to support Netanyahu's genocide, some refusing to serve in the military - each of these suffering to some extent certain consequences for their courage. Unfortunately, the proportion of people in Israel decrying the brutality against Palestinians, reflects the proportion here in the US too. Not enough.. not enough.
I know but too few and certainly not enough to make any difference at all. True in the US as well, and other groups and having been part of the antiwar movement from the beginning in the US it had little to no impact. They do what they want to do and nothing will stop these autocratic bastards.
The frustration of course, is that there is so little we can do! What a travesty of justice that the nations of the world pay such lip service to human rights, but when a catastrophe like this happens, they sit on their 'arms'.. (we pray daily for a ceasefire; and that the Lord God will 'scatter those that delight in war'. - Psalm 68:30)
I agree, but makes it so horrible is watching it all unfold on Aljazeera, which makes it all the worse that so little if anything is done. Those that are in control seem to be telling us they don't count and neither do you. I hope God scatters them to hell.
I am not sure what to make of Alison Weir or her book (I have not read it, so I'm unable to take sides or make a judgement).
What I found surprising are some people/organizations that I respect had some opposing views to "Alison Weir":
(1) Max Blumenthal (Grayzone) -> Tweet: "It's pretty clear Alison Weir's email is a desperate ploy to sell a book that's not worth the pulp it's printed" (https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/639161659219701760)
(2) Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) - Jewish Voice for Peace Statement on Our Relationship with Alison Weir (https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2015/06/15/jewish-voice-for-peace-statement-on-our-relationship-with-alison-weir/)
(3) JVP - Letter to Alison Weir (https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2015/06/14/letter-to-alison-weir/)
"Jewish Voice for Peace has chosen not to work with you because our central tenet is opposition to racism in all its forms, and you have chosen repeatedly to associate yourself with people who advocate for racism.
You have been a repeat guest of white supremacist Clay Douglas on his hate radio show, the Free American. Clay Douglas is concerned primarily with the survival of the White race and sees malign Jewish influence everywhere. His racist, anti-Jewish, and anti-gay rhetoric can be found across the front pages of his multiple websites."
(4) Arab America -> US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation : Statement on Complaint Filed Regarding Alison Weir and If Americans Knew (https://www.arabamerica.com/us-campaign-to-end-the-israeli-occupation-statement-on-complaint-filed-regarding-alison-weir-and-if-americans-knew/)
(5) Mondoweiss Breaks Silence Over The Alison Weir/JVP Controversy – Or Does It? (https://platosguns.com/2015/08/13/mondoweiss-breaks-silence-over-the-alison-weirjvp-controversy-or-do-they/)
For what it's worth, I do find Alison Weir's work interesting and informative, and I do need to read her book(s) before casting opinions.
VJCBingham -> Thank you for the information. Definitely something worth checking out.
I missed this whole thread. I'd better quit working.
I've been following Alison Weir's work since my father died in 2004--she wrote condolences and told me he had been a strong supporter for a long time. I have never seen anything that reeks of anti-semitism in her work. I had not read the story about purloined body parts but I have read about that elsewhere and do not doubt it happened, though why anyone would want an organ that wasn't fresh, I do not understand. Still, the Israelis have been peculiarly focused on re-visiting hospitals they've already destroyed. And eager to kill patients who would die eventually without care anyway. it is odd.
I read some of the JVC stuff and other links above. It sounds to me as though the JVC are trying to put the spotlight on their victiomhood and, frankly, I'm sick of that dynamic. Stop making this all about your friggin' FEELINGS. If you really care about Palestine, how about keeping your eyes on the people who really matter in this issue? (Hint: It's not American Jews who want to be viewed as liberal and non-racist.)
And, if I might, let me add the elephant in the room:
ARABS ARE BY DEFINITION SEMITES WHICH MOST AMERICAN JEWS ARE NOT. Arabs are the recipients of anti-Semitism to such a high degree that they're being slaughtered every day in multiple countries. GET OVER YOURSELVES. And if this makes no sense to you, a Semite is someone whose mother tongue is a Semitic language which does NOT characterize most American Jews.
You are not the central figures in this "war". I understand it is not a fun time to be a person who identifies at "Jewish" (though what that means varies widely), but this is not about you.
The reason Palestinians are being murdered and their history destroyed is that Israelis (and many Westerners) do not consider them human.
Weir's book is small and interesting to me because it is the work of someone who came to this issue all on her own at a time when most of the U.S. was busy spreading anti-Semitic memes about Arabs and Muslims. She's kept at it for several decades (that I know about). And she recognized that educating Americans was of utmost importance. I agree and this is why I support her. If you don't like that fact, tough shit.
So if you are really an ally of Palestine, stop making it about yourself and focus on the people who are being exterminated. Shut up about anti-Semitism. The term has been so trashed by Zionist propaganda it's next to meaningless anyway. You don't like negative memes about Jews? You should try being a person of color.
Everyone has something to contribute in this fight. Stop trying to minimize Weir's impact. She's been so steadfast. I would have quit in exhaustion and depression long before now.
This anti-Semitism business is another weapon in Israel's tool-kit. Just stop it.
And her book is worth the paper is written on. American Jews seem to think they are the experts on Israel. You're not. For decades your families sent money to that criminal state and forced the rest of us to support it. I think American Jess have a lot to answer for.
nosey-parker: I'm not sure who your comment addresses (and for what purpose). I listed a few examples (by famous, reputable & credible people & organizations) on the topic. If you have problems with the content, I suggest you take it up with the authors/source of the content (and not the messenger).
Another problem with your comment is that you are making strawman arguments that are unrelated to what I wrote. (re: I personally have not made any arguments for or aginst anti-semitist - in fact, I don't even mention the word once). So I'm not sure what inferences you are making. Maybe you are having an argument with yourself about something you assume from the comment?
Also, I'm not sure on what basis you make the assumptions you do about me.
Examples:
(1)"You should try being a person of color" ? What makes you think I am or am not?
(2) "I understand it is not a fun time to be a person who identifies at "Jewish" (though what that means varies widely), but this is not about you." ? What makes you think I am Jewish?
(3) What makes you think "I" said anything about anti-semitism? (or that this discussion was about anti-semitism)?
Again, none of the opinions in my original comment are mine. So go take up the discussion with them if you are rattled/triggered with the arguments presented by them. (and maybe re-read by original comment - maybe that will help).
Aaargh! I was not addressing you. I was responding to some of the many links people posted in trying to discredit Alison Weir. I had no idea all this was going on. Not you. Please do not think that I was responding to you. Mostly I'm responding to the JVC and the coalition that has been attacking her. Not you at all. This is one of the problems with the way Substacks sets up their comments section. Sorry!
My post still stands. All of it. But it is not directed at you.
Jewish Voice for Peace wrote to Alison Weir - 'In the course of your appearance with Clay Douglas on 8/25/2010, you were silent when Douglas invoked the Protocols of the Elders of Zion'. I read the Protocols of Zion. I find it interesting that the Jewish Community does not negate them. These protocols are not only chillingly reflective of the brutal world we see unfolding, to not 'call them out', shows bias, but to criticize people who do, borders on complicity of their savage principles.
>>"I read the Protocols of Zion....These protocols are not only chillingly reflective of the brutal world we see unfolding..."
This simple statement you make is more indicative of your thought process and mindset than anything else you have said. There is nothing I could say, no amount of reason, rationality, or logic - that would have an impact on you or get you to question your assumptions and assertions on the beliefs that you hold.
"There is nothing I could say,.." Then don't.
I guess you didn't read (or understand) my comment, so let me paraphrase:
There's nothing I could say "TO YOU" that would get you to examine your bias.
But there are other readers in this community that will take what they will from refutations of your logic and bias. (Unless of course you prefer people accept your opinions unquestioningly and don't wish for them to challenge you or call you out on them).
Thank you for the important commentary on this point.
You remind me of a short debate I had with a local 'friend'. The friendship didn't last the debate however, since I was presenting evidence and seeking answers that never came. I was labeled instead.. 'deceived'. As soon as the labels come out, you know the discussion is over.
Let's leave aside that the leaps of logic, critical thinking errors, and weak referential integrity of the relationships you question (might I add conspiratorially) doesn't provide a shred of evidence to backup anything you say (other than your opinions).
A common strategy for people to attack others is:
(1) Cast doubt on any source that disagrees with your point of view using the classic "Who funds x,y,z"? Valid questions. But before such questions are asked (and this can be asked of all/any groups or individuals - even the ones you agree with), one needs to do due dilligence of the content. In this example, you seem eager to cast doubt on "Arab America" by using the familiar question "Who funds this?" regardless of any research as to the integrity OR accuracy of the material produced by the group. So why should anyone fall for your classic attempts at deflection?
This is just one example of the strategies that deniers use when they don't have facts or evidence to back up their claims. So they have a proclivity to weave these threads by "attempting to plant seeds of doubt" in an effort to abrogate critical thinking.
I could go on with a detailed analysis of the errors in your comment, but IMO it is not worth the time - as you have already demonstrated your stance and bias beyond any shadow of a doubt.
(PS: many people use the same strategies you use - including Israel. How many times has Israel attempted to cast doubt and villify/discredit/defame a source using the "who funds" argument? How many times have Israel tried to disrepute and stigmatize sources that reveal evidence that goes against their narrative? How often does Israel use the same tactic that you do (of giving significance to relationships that might not have any significance or bearing on the situation at all? (re:"executive director Rebecca Vilkomerson's husband was/is still working for Checkpoint, an "israeli" cyber security firm that makes monitoring software.")
Your comment, unfortunately, reeks of the same strategies that Israel uses to rebutt any facts/evidence that go against its narrative and interests.
HaHa. Thanks Ernesto for providing me with a good laugh. I'm beginning to enjoy the subtle comedy in your responses.
According to Ilan Pappe the lobby influence started being felt in 1950s. It wasn't AIPAC yet but what eventually became it.
I know Reagan, and read those before him weren't as influenced by AIPAC, and now they have incredible control. I really believe this genocide would have never have happened if AIPAC wasn't around.
Russian, bot M who is always abusive toward me, demeans me when ever he can, did it again and I said I hope they take you for swim upstream without your gills. Joking but he sent the message below. I see it as a physical threat. What goes on here. I want to report him to substack, and did report him for other remarks , but it makes no difference.
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Remove my gills?
That sounds painful.
And, then go swimming?
I’ll die.
That sounds like it has a mean intent to it.
Are you a mean SOB?
Excuse my error.
Daughter of a ……….
Sorry Fran.
You want to keep referencing me in an unfair/unflattering manner, I know where to find you, and what to do.
Don’t know when to quit, do ya?
Every president since Eisenhower has been captured by the pro-Israeli lobby, whether it was AIPAC or not. The pro-Zionist machine began in 1917 in the U.S. pushed by Rothschild and Brandeis. Even presidents who wanted to change our policy towards Israel could not because Congress was captured. There is a fairly strong argument that JFK was assassinated by Mossad because he did not want to support Israel. He saw the danger in it which we are seeing today.
Regarding the conversation preceding this, when a person has lost the argument he/she attacks their opponent. Do not engage. Please. It's a waste of time and energy. Stay focused on what really matters.
Yeah I know they had an influence back then and even Brandeis spoke to Balfour to get the Zionists, Palestine, and a lot of arm twisting went on in 1948. They depended on that colonial mindset still in place back then not to mention the prejudice that was felt toward the Muslim world, and the Arabs, which is still prevalent.
According to Alison Weir who runs the If Americans Knew dot org web-site and who wrote a book on the Palestinian situation, Brandeis, Rothschild, and a few other powerful and/or rich Western Zionists made it a condition of the U.S.' joining the fight in WWI that they agree to the establishment of a Jewish homeland. This is why the Balfour Declaration was written. That was in 1917--not 1948. European Jews were moving to Palestine and buying land (and sometimes stealing it through terror) long before the Nakba.
I have listened to her and think she's great. I once recommended her to someone and gave her perspective and oh, what an attack.
Terrible when YOU selectively edit/select only portions of my commentary directed towards you, in order to mislead.
A real Fran move.
Misstate, mislead, misinform, misinterpret.
Unlike you, I have not ever resorted to using what some would consider corse language, towards you.
I know that you call me a bastard.
I won’t respond to that assertion.
However, my late mother says, fuck you Fran, you fucking, lying cunt.
Mom was married to a sailor.
Maybe you and bot would like to trot.
Dance bitch.
Yes, AIPAC as the figurehead has got to go!
Well put, Fran. If it doesn’t go , you will have no America worth a damn and never will have again the America that everyone wants to have, if that makes sense.
That is danger #1. Bribery and corruption is danger #2. Thick on the ground escalating from the 86% of the Congress and soon with elections close, on the way up again. You know it. Everyone knows it.
Billions in aid from Biden to Israel with the same money returning from Israel to totally own a government
Don't ever think for a second that they will stop trying to own America. They have virtually owned it since the death of JFK. Consolidated without question in 1967.
It was called the USS Liberty scandal and scandal it was. Right Lyndon?
They knew then that the USA was under their control.
Why will they continue? Because they can. Stand at the door of an AIPAC "conference" and count them as they come in , all wanting to be seen by the US-domiciled Israelis, laughing under their sleeves while posing as loyal Americans, to ensure that their funding is there the next time....... and forever. It is so obvious. Blatantly obvious.
The rest of the world knows it to be so, but not the voters, faced as they will be with a possible choice of a Trump, (if the courts allow him based on past exploits) or a Biden,( if he doesn't fall of the stage in the meantime), a Democratic-minded Republican or a Republican-minded Democrat, (who cares) both tarred with the same brush, both owned by the same corrupt people. .....Militarists, Blackrocks, Banks, British Jews, the Davos deviates, WHO, WEF, all of whom still need the nod from the people to be able to continue their power games.
Right now, there is nothing to stop them winding up for yet another tilt at continuing as the ongoing world power brokers..
But……out of 330 million people, it is hard for any rational thinker to believe that 9 months from now, ……a Trump or a Biden.
We already have an America not worth a damn. I just spent the last four years homeless.
We are living in a failed state.
A first step is to figure out how to get AIPAC charged with failing to register as a foreign agent. Who’s up for doing the research on that? I miss the old days of user groups where people could interact and brainstorm. There are many benefits tonTPTB to keeping the people divided. One of which is to prevent us from from being able to find, and being, synergies and catalysts for change that benefits humanity instead of elites.
The research isn't the hard part, The hard part is in getting anyone to actually apply the law.
I don't or didn't hate Trump the way many did, although I didn't vote for him, and not Biden either. I really don't trust either one to be fair, or be even handed when it comes to Israel. It really disturbs me that Israel or any country, but particularly Israel, has that kind of control over our politicians that we vote into office. or that any country would. "Groundbreaking’: Michigan’s uncommitted vote for Gaza should ‘worry’ Biden. Michigan movement ‘surpasses expectations’ with more than 100,000 votes cast in protest of unequivocal US support for Israel." I hope this takes off state by state, and if Trump should win he will have gotten the message, or maybe that's wishful thinking on my part. There is a part of me that just can't believe what is going on. It's so heart breaking. They say the Israeli's are protesting Netanyahu, and want him gone but not the genocide. I don't understand their lack of caring. I won't forget. I hope boycotts abound on a world wide level.
Out of sequence Fran.
Try again.