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Ann Menasche's avatar

Who exactly are you proposing “crushing like termites”? We are all human even when committing crimes against humanity. Humans, whether Israeli Jews, Germans, Americans, Australians, etc. are capable of great good and great evil. It is dehumanizing other humans which is thr source of our difficulties.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Sociopaths -- a biologically inbred society perpetuating neurologically predisposing alleles with high penetrance, raised on kill-Palestinian propaganda from birth -- simulated war exercises at six years. A society of sociopaths continually breeding more of the same. Don't argue their humanity with me. Put Nature and Nurture together here, and what you have is a disastrous alien subspecies, Homo sociopaticus.

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Ann Menasche's avatar

They are human. Humans are sadly capable of crimes against humanity. Think Hiroshima, Vietnam, the Nazi Holocaust, the US war on Iraq, the slaughter of native Americans, the institution of slavery. With your violent rhetoric, sounds like you are capable of the same.

Also, please note just a day or two ago thousands of Israelis, Jews and Palestinians together protested at the Gaza border demanding an end to the slaughter in Gaza. Many carried pictures of Palestinian childreb murdered by Israel. Why is no one covering this?

There is good and bad in every nationality and ethnic group.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Please note: I have lifelong Jewish friends, who themselves are anti-Zionist. I said nothing about Jews. Judaism is a religion of peace, By even mentioning it in response to me, you are demonstrating your undifferentiated cognition. Wake up. I'm telling you the population of Israel -- ISRAEL, not world Judaism or any other population of humans -- demonstrates characteristics of group sociopathy, and biological inbreeding supports that assertion (I have the creds to assert this).

As such, they are Sub-humans in my taxonomy. Welcome to your less-informed opinion.

"Zionism is antithetical to Judaism", Rabbi Dovid Weiss, NYC. And many other scholars of Judaism.

Why is no one covering this? Because it's inconvenient to differentiate anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian Jews from the sociopaths. Ruins the antisemitism tropes.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Why is no one covering this? Because it's inconvenient to differentiate anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian Jews from the sociopaths. Ruins the antisemitism tropes."

🎯

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Thank you, Chang. It astounds me that this point still needs such reinforcement at this late date in the horror show.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Yes, the indoctrination has been deep and persistent - over many generations. Too many lazy thinkers that can't be bothered enough to actually apply the brain they've been given.

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Ann Menasche's avatar

With tropes like “inbred vermin” and how you would enjoy killing all of them -the Israeli Jewish population, it certainly doesn’t sound good. Are you for killing all Americans too for the crimes of the America empire that many Americans supported?

If we are committed to saving the people of Gaza, how about organizing to demand that our own governments, especially the US government, stop arming them?

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

Ann Menasche, do you understand the DIFFERENCE between 'expressing outrage and disgust verbally' versus 'actually doing bad deeds (like the Israeli Zionists have been doing in Palestine)'?

Here you are lecturing others on this substack about their 'expressive use of language' that you disagree with. Where is your outrage at the REAL GENOCIDE happening right now?

Where are your words of condemnation for Israel AND Zionists (all over the world) and ALL supporters of Israel?

I haven't seen you before on Caitlin's substack saying anything about the actions of Israeli Zionists. And now here you are dishing out your 'moral superiority' and 'correct and acceptable forms of verbal outrage'?

Maybe you need to re-evaluate your perspective in the context of current world events?

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Ann Menasche's avatar

I have marched and protested the genocide in Gaza multiple times. I have written here previously and agree with most of what Caitlin has to say. However, this kind of verbiage that commenters are expressing may make them feel good psychologically but is harmful to building the movement to stop US arming and support of Israel. And that’s my priority.

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JennyStokes's avatar

YOU must be the most stupid person who ever made a comment on here.

YOUR fucking Govt. is owned by Zionists.

YOUR Govt. is owned by Zionists.

What are YOU going to do about this?

With your guns in 30% of households what are you doing to address this fucking Empire.

US are cowards.

You kill kids in schools/you disrupt your own Nation with guns but you don't turn your guns on the Government.

COWARDS

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Ann Menasche's avatar

My fucking Govt is owned by huge billionnaire corporations including military contractors who make a killing on war and empire. The Israeli lobby is small potatoes in comparison. Israel would be dropped in a heartbeat if it didn’t serve as a bulwark of US & western imperialist interests in the middle east. We need to build a strong united movement for economic and social justice and for peace in every sector of society (including the military) before we can create revolutionary change, especially the kind worth fighting for. . A handful of folks turning guns on the government, will be outgunned and will accomplish nothing but alienating people from the cause.

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Ann Menasche's avatar

No - it’s not humane but part of the capabity of humans of every nationality, religion & ethnic group. Yes, those responsible for this latest genocide should be tried & brought to justice, especially those who made the decisions.

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CarbonCopy's avatar

SPOT ON!

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JennyStokes's avatar

Israel is dying.

They can carry pictures of dead infants.......too late Israhell.

I do not believe these Zionists

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The Revolution Continues's avatar

It's hard to believe the zy0nists when they lie constantly and have warped the narrative and bought out the mass media to cover their war crimes. I think it's wiser and much safer to NOT believe them.

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Lowell Googins's avatar

I do not suggest killing the psycho leadership but they need to be locked up.

As a society Israel is very sick. Current polls show the overwhelming/nor even close majority of Israelis support the genocide. A large number supports actual extermination.

Yes. The protest by several hundred is great but again a tiny minority. I do not believe some day Israeli society will wake up and denounce this evil. When all but two western nations are supplying bombs and bucks it is not going to change without something catastrophic.

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Ann Menasche's avatar

It was thousands of Israelis rallying at the Gaza border. How do you know what their politics are? Attitudes are changing. American society is equally sick for all our wars & huge military budgets that have killed millions of civilians often with the support of a large majority of the population. Without our US arms and political cover none of this in Gaza could happen.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Without our US arms and political cover none of this in Gaza could happen."

Yes, and Israeli Zionists would find OTHER WAYS to ethnic-cleanse Palestinians from Palestine just as they have been doing since before 1948.

Wake up will you? U.S. or no U.S., Israel's goal has ALWAYS BEEN settler-colonialism (and everything that it entails).

For an example of how 'settler-colonialism' works, look at what the European settlers did to the natives of the Americas.

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Ann Menasche's avatar

The US and the west have been supporting Israel from the beginning. Without their arms and political support and REGARDLESS of their goals, it would far more difficult than it is now to carry out the genocide and avoid international justice and accountability for repeated war crimes of their leaders and ongoing violation of UN resolutions.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

It was reported as hundreds and is very late in coming.

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Ann Menasche's avatar

I have received first hand reports - hundreds marched over several days from Tel Aviv to the Gaza border and thousands were at the rally on the border.

Millions died in Vietnam before the peace movement in the US had won over the American people and was strong enough to help stay the hand of the US military.

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Francis/Clare's avatar

Better than nothing, I guess. The fact it's too little too late makes it seem performative.

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GS-z-14-1's avatar

‘They are human.’

And that point must be kept front and center. If they attacked and killed a person, my dogs would be put down. But they would not be put on trial and prosecuted.

This is necessary. It is necessary to do justice. It is necessary to uphold the decisions of Nuremberg. It is also necessary to reaffirm our humanity.

The reply to maniacal genocide must be based NOT on who Zionism’s practitioners and supporters are; it must be based on who WE are.

Had I anything to say about it, the next war crimes trials will occur in Old City Jerusalem, and the original sentence will apply.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Thanks Vin.

Does it occur to any of you humans that you do NOT rule nature.

Fires/tornados/earthquakes now are becoming the norm.

WE people have forgotten our roots.

Get off your bloody 'phones' and look at Nature. It is dying because of your wars.

Without nature you will NOT exist.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Humans, whether Israeli Jews, Germans, Americans, Australians,..."

Israeli Zionists aren't acting like humans now, are they?

In fact, Israeli Zionists are KILLING humans in real-time RIGHT NOW.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Humans in one word.

YOU Americans started this horror.

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