She and you write as if we're still operating in a democratic diplomacy -- where the opponent is playing essentially by civilized rules, and where public discourse affects outcomes. We're not, and it doesn't. This problem goes beyond Gaza and Zionism. Hybrid war has been, and is being, waged against us. We know full well that they are slowly dropping all pretense of this, and of even respecting us as humans. Keep in mind just *how* they go to where they are today -- and consider just how *far* they've been able to get with that.
Now, I really don't know what new rules we can use going forward and how we maintain our public dignity. I don't even know what can even be discussed and managed here. But I *do* know that if we ALL become imprisoned and dead in this age of unprecedented control technologies and propaganda it won't matter how properly behaved we were. Time to up our game -- and badly.
I don't recall mentioning respect for the motherfuckers. Dignity? Fuck that. Don't put words into my mouth goddammit, Just Do NOT.
I'm personally prepared to blow any away who would have the temerity to soil my doorstep. I would gladly split a crack in their skulls with my graphite tennis racquet, then as death slowly overtakes by subdural hemorrhage (a truly horrible death), extrude bodily fluids upon them. Does that give you a better idea of where I'm coming from? If not, I can get even more graphic.
"I don't recall mentioning respect for the motherfuckers. ... I'm personally prepared to blow any away who would have the temerity to soil my doorstep."
Oh, sorry. You ARE fully at war with them already, with a parallel lack of respect for their humanity, as they against Palestinians. My bad! Good luck with that strategy. I'll repeat: We're losing, and losing badly. I'm confident very little said here and places like this changes minds, and consequently changes what's happening out there.
We may think we're safe enough where we are here venting, and will never be shut up and be made irrelevant ... but the clock is ticking. Sadly, I am confident MLK Jr is now wrong about "the arc of justice", because we're in a brave new world few of us appear to understand.
We think revolution is still fomentable, and still executable. We're wrong on both. To paraphrase Arthur Jensen in 'Network': "[We] are old men who think in terms of [justice] and peoples. There [is no justice]. There are no peoples. ... There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of [power and intelligence]."
So, enjoy your echo chamber. But I'll try to be more careful engaging with it.
No, sir, I fully understand it. They have instantiated a global network of clever technology -- they are clever at that, Yahweh knows -- which some describe as tentacles of an octopus. But it's way beyond that. It's an alien nervous system that will only die by disconnecting ourselves from it or eliminating support for its continuance. If, as you imply, there's no power in our hands to do the latter --- by for example, political means because of our corrupt bought-off western pols --- are you, or I, or most folks, ready to do the former? Probably not. Hence the remedy is in our hands.
Disconnect!! Stop being a technoserf because the moment you are you're a Zionist serf as well. But we're all addicted, and I fear we're all too cowardly to make such a radical change. Welcome to what I see as the real infestation.
" It's an alien nervous system that will only die by disconnecting ourselves "
Decent argument for personal behavior, thank you. But good luck with that. It's simply moving far too fast for us to affect anything currently occurring (Gaza) by that method alone.
We'll be offed before long, one way or another; I tend to think it will start as the internet begins disconnecting. Brace for surprise impacts (e.g. the way COVID worked).
Sadly, I find it hard to disagree; it's likely too late for Gaza. Likewise with the MLK "Arc of justice" comment. I might think I know what justice feels like in my heart, but who am I kidding? Operationally, I don't have a clue what would bend that arc toward a genuine manifestation thereof in practice -- or what that would really entail.
We know what justice is, we just can't get it the way we used to. With that understood, let's get to work with a attitude and strategy adjustments, or the walls *will* close in.
They have injected Palantir's software (which is ZioNazi software from Unit 8200) into Trumps "Big Beautiful Bill" and this is the drone targeting software used to kill the Palestinians in Gaza. They have also clearly stated to take away states rights to regulate AI and if US citizens are killed say during a protest there will be no recourse!
The problem is, there *is* no determinable "world as it really is", there are *only* differing perspectives on (a) truth and (b) values. For the record, I most definitely believe in the perspectives of those here -- except for the absoluteness of either, which simply doesn't exist, no matter how powerful the illusion.*
This is precisely why both hardline Zionist rank-and-file believers and Anti-Zionists are intractable, and will only be dragged kicking and screaming into submission, or come under control/imprisonment/death. You simply can't change someone's mind against their own version of "the truth" once that worldview is decades baked in.
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* Backing me up, I believe:
-- Protagoras (a leading Sophist) - "Of all things the measure is human, of the things that are, that they are, and of the things that are not, that they are not"
... which might be seen as a mirror image of the later ...
-- Socrates (via Plato) - "I know that I know nothing"
Good for you; it counts. I've been a Green and voting Green for 20 years. But electoral politics seems inadequate to the task of surgical removal of Zionism from Western societies. Wish it weren't so, but that's the way it appears to me.
Vin, I think you're a coward for not accurately identifying the Jewish political leaders of the diaspora that are fundamentally the vermin behind this genocide. So forget the threats about cracking skulls with your graphite tennis raquet, and simply say the truth, quietly. I'm sure you'll find it will be much more effective than such silly threats.
By the way, do I need to explain that these Jewish leaders enable the genocide by bribing our government and brainwashing our society via their US Jewish Lobby?
You really think I do not know this, having read every book Hedges has written, including the last one? Every anti-Zionist insight ever offered at the Grayzone?
And all you're doing with proffering that list is pointing to the tentacles. Anyone following this for as long as Caitlin -- and I -- have knows that list, those other Zionist agencies beyond AIPAC and ADL; you really think you're having an original though? Fuck that. It's beyond tentacles --as I just described, it's a world-level alien digital infestation and in your dumb fucking scrambled collection of disordered neurons passing for a brain, you're still one level short of getting it with this pitiful list, essentially a bunch of orgs running cover.
Then call me a coward? Fuck you, I have no remedy for shitbags like yourself. Appear at my door, motherfucker, see what you get too.
She and you write as if we're still operating in a democratic diplomacy -- where the opponent is playing essentially by civilized rules, and where public discourse affects outcomes. We're not, and it doesn't. This problem goes beyond Gaza and Zionism. Hybrid war has been, and is being, waged against us. We know full well that they are slowly dropping all pretense of this, and of even respecting us as humans. Keep in mind just *how* they go to where they are today -- and consider just how *far* they've been able to get with that.
Now, I really don't know what new rules we can use going forward and how we maintain our public dignity. I don't even know what can even be discussed and managed here. But I *do* know that if we ALL become imprisoned and dead in this age of unprecedented control technologies and propaganda it won't matter how properly behaved we were. Time to up our game -- and badly.
I don't recall mentioning respect for the motherfuckers. Dignity? Fuck that. Don't put words into my mouth goddammit, Just Do NOT.
I'm personally prepared to blow any away who would have the temerity to soil my doorstep. I would gladly split a crack in their skulls with my graphite tennis racquet, then as death slowly overtakes by subdural hemorrhage (a truly horrible death), extrude bodily fluids upon them. Does that give you a better idea of where I'm coming from? If not, I can get even more graphic.
Vin, can I watch? 😁
I’ll bring the .22 with the er, considerably extended clip, just in case 😉
It'd be an incomplete experience without you, gyp dear.
It’d be my pleasure, Vin!
You’ve no idea how much 😁
"I don't recall mentioning respect for the motherfuckers. ... I'm personally prepared to blow any away who would have the temerity to soil my doorstep."
Oh, sorry. You ARE fully at war with them already, with a parallel lack of respect for their humanity, as they against Palestinians. My bad! Good luck with that strategy. I'll repeat: We're losing, and losing badly. I'm confident very little said here and places like this changes minds, and consequently changes what's happening out there.
We may think we're safe enough where we are here venting, and will never be shut up and be made irrelevant ... but the clock is ticking. Sadly, I am confident MLK Jr is now wrong about "the arc of justice", because we're in a brave new world few of us appear to understand.
We think revolution is still fomentable, and still executable. We're wrong on both. To paraphrase Arthur Jensen in 'Network': "[We] are old men who think in terms of [justice] and peoples. There [is no justice]. There are no peoples. ... There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of [power and intelligence]."
So, enjoy your echo chamber. But I'll try to be more careful engaging with it.
No, sir, I fully understand it. They have instantiated a global network of clever technology -- they are clever at that, Yahweh knows -- which some describe as tentacles of an octopus. But it's way beyond that. It's an alien nervous system that will only die by disconnecting ourselves from it or eliminating support for its continuance. If, as you imply, there's no power in our hands to do the latter --- by for example, political means because of our corrupt bought-off western pols --- are you, or I, or most folks, ready to do the former? Probably not. Hence the remedy is in our hands.
Disconnect!! Stop being a technoserf because the moment you are you're a Zionist serf as well. But we're all addicted, and I fear we're all too cowardly to make such a radical change. Welcome to what I see as the real infestation.
" It's an alien nervous system that will only die by disconnecting ourselves "
Decent argument for personal behavior, thank you. But good luck with that. It's simply moving far too fast for us to affect anything currently occurring (Gaza) by that method alone.
We'll be offed before long, one way or another; I tend to think it will start as the internet begins disconnecting. Brace for surprise impacts (e.g. the way COVID worked).
Sadly, I find it hard to disagree; it's likely too late for Gaza. Likewise with the MLK "Arc of justice" comment. I might think I know what justice feels like in my heart, but who am I kidding? Operationally, I don't have a clue what would bend that arc toward a genuine manifestation thereof in practice -- or what that would really entail.
We know what justice is, we just can't get it the way we used to. With that understood, let's get to work with a attitude and strategy adjustments, or the walls *will* close in.
They have injected Palantir's software (which is ZioNazi software from Unit 8200) into Trumps "Big Beautiful Bill" and this is the drone targeting software used to kill the Palestinians in Gaza. They have also clearly stated to take away states rights to regulate AI and if US citizens are killed say during a protest there will be no recourse!
@ Antihip:
Just WHAT FUCKING HUMANITY are you referring to?
The humanity that believes -- rightly or wrongly -- that it's at war against evil.
Oh, I see .
The “humanity” that is powerless to stop the genocide because the actual individuals in power are whores for the Ziopaths.
Why don’t you try looking at the world as it REALLY IS, instead of through your rose-colored glasses?
The problem is, there *is* no determinable "world as it really is", there are *only* differing perspectives on (a) truth and (b) values. For the record, I most definitely believe in the perspectives of those here -- except for the absoluteness of either, which simply doesn't exist, no matter how powerful the illusion.*
This is precisely why both hardline Zionist rank-and-file believers and Anti-Zionists are intractable, and will only be dragged kicking and screaming into submission, or come under control/imprisonment/death. You simply can't change someone's mind against their own version of "the truth" once that worldview is decades baked in.
---------------------
* Backing me up, I believe:
-- Protagoras (a leading Sophist) - "Of all things the measure is human, of the things that are, that they are, and of the things that are not, that they are not"
... which might be seen as a mirror image of the later ...
-- Socrates (via Plato) - "I know that I know nothing"
Why don’t you join the IDF? Sounds like you’d fit right in.
Why don't you run for politics in some Western "democracy". Sounds like you'd find a good fit there as a mouthpiece for caution.
HaHa - well said Vin!
I’ve run as a Green. Don’t think that counts though.
Good for you; it counts. I've been a Green and voting Green for 20 years. But electoral politics seems inadequate to the task of surgical removal of Zionism from Western societies. Wish it weren't so, but that's the way it appears to me.
@Ann Sorry bitch, I’d rather be Ansarallah.
Funny how the misogyny always come out.
Huh..I must really dislike myself then Annie, considering I’ve been a female since birth 😂
You wouldn’t be the first.
Vin, I think you're a coward for not accurately identifying the Jewish political leaders of the diaspora that are fundamentally the vermin behind this genocide. So forget the threats about cracking skulls with your graphite tennis raquet, and simply say the truth, quietly. I'm sure you'll find it will be much more effective than such silly threats.
By the way, do I need to explain that these Jewish leaders enable the genocide by bribing our government and brainwashing our society via their US Jewish Lobby?
The Jewish Lobby:
https://iwasathought.substack.com/p/the-jewish-lobby
You really think I do not know this, having read every book Hedges has written, including the last one? Every anti-Zionist insight ever offered at the Grayzone?
And all you're doing with proffering that list is pointing to the tentacles. Anyone following this for as long as Caitlin -- and I -- have knows that list, those other Zionist agencies beyond AIPAC and ADL; you really think you're having an original though? Fuck that. It's beyond tentacles --as I just described, it's a world-level alien digital infestation and in your dumb fucking scrambled collection of disordered neurons passing for a brain, you're still one level short of getting it with this pitiful list, essentially a bunch of orgs running cover.
Then call me a coward? Fuck you, I have no remedy for shitbags like yourself. Appear at my door, motherfucker, see what you get too.
Put me in a locked room with him for five minutes Vin, then he’s all yours, cause he’ll be talkin like a little girl 😉
You too funny, Mama.
Not funny Baby, SERIOUS! 😉
@Sam
Jeezum crow,
NO SHIT SHERLOCK regarding your last paragraph.