Although I also appreciate your sentiment, I could be satisfied with first removing the parasitic infestation - crushing the the termites like the slithering disgusting crawling larvae they are. Milekowsky resembles a gigantic segmented insect larva to me.
And second, putting the entire philosophy on trial postmortem, with a circus of publicity to put any remainders on notice that they will be hunted down and tried for complicity in crimes against humanity. Perhaps not quite as satisfying, but the infestation must go.
Please tell us who exactly is going to try them? The compromised, blackmailed, threatened or bought off corporate coloniaL West? They haven't shown up in 20 months, nor going back since 1948. We're still waiting.
Fucking figure it out. If you are in the USA it is your responsibility to demand this, that, and the other thing of your politicians and not just wait for someone else to do it. If you are not in the USA, deal with your own politicians.
Feeling frustrated that AIPAC and its ilk in other nations have been successful is not an excuse for mimicking Israel.
Out of habit and wishful thinking I do still actively demand of my politicians daily. But surely you know that our government has been taken over by ruthless multinational corporations and arms manufacturers making staggering profits on endless wars. Follow the stock markets for a dose of reality. We live in a raping and pillaging oligarchy tumbling quickly toward fascism. Representatives, any more than the so called "Supreme Court" don't exactly listen, or even if some of the good ones do listen, their hands are tied (or they've been bought, threatened, blackmailed etc.) and cannot ACT on their principles. I do very much admire your ideals and share them. The reality we are facing and the unspeakable terror and grief we are witnessing our brothers and sisters in Palestine enduring is beyond horrifying and heartbreaking. I can understand the entire range of responses in these comments.
I’m posting a link to a recent reply I made where my remarks intersect with some of yours.
We are in substantial agreement on other matters also, though I don’t explore them here.
I also address the ‘how’ to address this barbarity, a query put to me above which I address only now.
I regard it as axiomatic that current forms of governance in so-called ‘Western style democracies’ are proven failures and offer no way forward to address our monstrous crimes.
As I see it, it is necessary to leave behind what does not serve, and form new structures to do what must be done.
I couldn't agree more. And I don't know, cannot yet know, how it will happen, what structures will emerge to try these barbaric criminals, but I believe it will happen, that it must happen. I just received this substack which I've only skimmed, but it has some new (to me) ideas that you might find it interesting.
Certainly I know all of that. I also know that making a solid, persistent, large scale statement about what's expected cannot be ignored. But the values do have to be asserted in coherent and linked fashion, not piecemeal and definitely not based in gooshy feelings while actually undermining the law.m
As "Liana C.K" states in this comment directly our politicians are bought and paid for. They are actually enemy agents of The Terrorist State of Israel. I always get the exact same response from both the democrat senator and the republican senator and representative. "I Stand with Israel" every time. Yesterday was 58 years to the day when the USS Liberty was attacked by The Zionist Nazi Terrorist State of Israel. THEY MACHINE GUNNED MY FELLOW US SAILORS WOUNDED, BURNING JUMPING INTO THE WATER JUST LIKE THEIR NAZI U-BOAT COMMANDERS BEFORE THEM! Prior to this they killed JFK. These are all acts of war and the very act of murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 170 more MAKES EVERY FUCKING ONE WHO STATES SO CLEARLY THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE TERRORIST STATE AN ENEMY AGENT! They send our money to this evil filth who pays off their agents here with our money! Every fucking one of these Zionist Nazi politicians needs to be treated as the enemy they are and hunted down as a "Clear And Present Danger" To The United States of America!
Who exactly are you proposing “crushing like termites”? We are all human even when committing crimes against humanity. Humans, whether Israeli Jews, Germans, Americans, Australians, etc. are capable of great good and great evil. It is dehumanizing other humans which is thr source of our difficulties.
Sociopaths -- a biologically inbred society perpetuating neurologically predisposing alleles with high penetrance, raised on kill-Palestinian propaganda from birth -- simulated war exercises at six years. A society of sociopaths continually breeding more of the same. Don't argue their humanity with me. Put Nature and Nurture together here, and what you have is a disastrous alien subspecies, Homo sociopaticus.
They are human. Humans are sadly capable of crimes against humanity. Think Hiroshima, Vietnam, the Nazi Holocaust, the US war on Iraq, the slaughter of native Americans, the institution of slavery. With your violent rhetoric, sounds like you are capable of the same.
Also, please note just a day or two ago thousands of Israelis, Jews and Palestinians together protested at the Gaza border demanding an end to the slaughter in Gaza. Many carried pictures of Palestinian childreb murdered by Israel. Why is no one covering this?
There is good and bad in every nationality and ethnic group.
Please note: I have lifelong Jewish friends, who themselves are anti-Zionist. I said nothing about Jews. Judaism is a religion of peace, By even mentioning it in response to me, you are demonstrating your undifferentiated cognition. Wake up. I'm telling you the population of Israel -- ISRAEL, not world Judaism or any other population of humans -- demonstrates characteristics of group sociopathy, and biological inbreeding supports that assertion (I have the creds to assert this).
As such, they are Sub-humans in my taxonomy. Welcome to your less-informed opinion.
"Zionism is antithetical to Judaism", Rabbi Dovid Weiss, NYC. And many other scholars of Judaism.
Why is no one covering this? Because it's inconvenient to differentiate anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian Jews from the sociopaths. Ruins the antisemitism tropes.
>>"Why is no one covering this? Because it's inconvenient to differentiate anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian Jews from the sociopaths. Ruins the antisemitism tropes."
With tropes like “inbred vermin” and how you would enjoy killing all of them -the Israeli Jewish population, it certainly doesn’t sound good. Are you for killing all Americans too for the crimes of the America empire that many Americans supported?
If we are committed to saving the people of Gaza, how about organizing to demand that our own governments, especially the US government, stop arming them?
Ann Menasche, do you understand the DIFFERENCE between 'expressing outrage and disgust verbally' versus 'actually doing bad deeds (like the Israeli Zionists have been doing in Palestine)'?
Here you are lecturing others on this substack about their 'expressive use of language' that you disagree with. Where is your outrage at the REAL GENOCIDE happening right now?
Where are your words of condemnation for Israel AND Zionists (all over the world) and ALL supporters of Israel?
I haven't seen you before on Caitlin's substack saying anything about the actions of Israeli Zionists. And now here you are dishing out your 'moral superiority' and 'correct and acceptable forms of verbal outrage'?
Maybe you need to re-evaluate your perspective in the context of current world events?
No - it’s not humane but part of the capabity of humans of every nationality, religion & ethnic group. Yes, those responsible for this latest genocide should be tried & brought to justice, especially those who made the decisions.
It's hard to believe the zy0nists when they lie constantly and have warped the narrative and bought out the mass media to cover their war crimes. I think it's wiser and much safer to NOT believe them.
I do not suggest killing the psycho leadership but they need to be locked up.
As a society Israel is very sick. Current polls show the overwhelming/nor even close majority of Israelis support the genocide. A large number supports actual extermination.
Yes. The protest by several hundred is great but again a tiny minority. I do not believe some day Israeli society will wake up and denounce this evil. When all but two western nations are supplying bombs and bucks it is not going to change without something catastrophic.
It was thousands of Israelis rallying at the Gaza border. How do you know what their politics are? Attitudes are changing. American society is equally sick for all our wars & huge military budgets that have killed millions of civilians often with the support of a large majority of the population. Without our US arms and political cover none of this in Gaza could happen.
I have received first hand reports - hundreds marched over several days from Tel Aviv to the Gaza border and thousands were at the rally on the border.
Millions died in Vietnam before the peace movement in the US had won over the American people and was strong enough to help stay the hand of the US military.
And that point must be kept front and center. If they attacked and killed a person, my dogs would be put down. But they would not be put on trial and prosecuted.
This is necessary. It is necessary to do justice. It is necessary to uphold the decisions of Nuremberg. It is also necessary to reaffirm our humanity.
The reply to maniacal genocide must be based NOT on who Zionism’s practitioners and supporters are; it must be based on who WE are.
Had I anything to say about it, the next war crimes trials will occur in Old City Jerusalem, and the original sentence will apply.
Although I also appreciate your sentiment, I could be satisfied with first removing the parasitic infestation - crushing the the termites like the slithering disgusting crawling larvae they are. Milekowsky resembles a gigantic segmented insect larva to me.
And second, putting the entire philosophy on trial postmortem, with a circus of publicity to put any remainders on notice that they will be hunted down and tried for complicity in crimes against humanity. Perhaps not quite as satisfying, but the infestation must go.
trial is how we do the crushing.
What Israel is doing right now is rooted in an idea that they can go out and apply the boot heel to anyone they designate vermin. Don't be Israel.
It's fine however to seek the death penalty.
Please tell us who exactly is going to try them? The compromised, blackmailed, threatened or bought off corporate coloniaL West? They haven't shown up in 20 months, nor going back since 1948. We're still waiting.
Fucking figure it out. If you are in the USA it is your responsibility to demand this, that, and the other thing of your politicians and not just wait for someone else to do it. If you are not in the USA, deal with your own politicians.
Feeling frustrated that AIPAC and its ilk in other nations have been successful is not an excuse for mimicking Israel.
Out of habit and wishful thinking I do still actively demand of my politicians daily. But surely you know that our government has been taken over by ruthless multinational corporations and arms manufacturers making staggering profits on endless wars. Follow the stock markets for a dose of reality. We live in a raping and pillaging oligarchy tumbling quickly toward fascism. Representatives, any more than the so called "Supreme Court" don't exactly listen, or even if some of the good ones do listen, their hands are tied (or they've been bought, threatened, blackmailed etc.) and cannot ACT on their principles. I do very much admire your ideals and share them. The reality we are facing and the unspeakable terror and grief we are witnessing our brothers and sisters in Palestine enduring is beyond horrifying and heartbreaking. I can understand the entire range of responses in these comments.
This is probably the sanest, the most lucid comment on this thread. Thank you.
Well stated.
Dear LCK:
I’m posting a link to a recent reply I made where my remarks intersect with some of yours.
We are in substantial agreement on other matters also, though I don’t explore them here.
I also address the ‘how’ to address this barbarity, a query put to me above which I address only now.
I regard it as axiomatic that current forms of governance in so-called ‘Western style democracies’ are proven failures and offer no way forward to address our monstrous crimes.
As I see it, it is necessary to leave behind what does not serve, and form new structures to do what must be done.
https://substack.com/@gsz141/note/c-124060474
I couldn't agree more. And I don't know, cannot yet know, how it will happen, what structures will emerge to try these barbaric criminals, but I believe it will happen, that it must happen. I just received this substack which I've only skimmed, but it has some new (to me) ideas that you might find it interesting.
https://www.americasundoing.com/p/prison-bars-masquerading-as-democracy?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=57821&post_id=165409576&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1edhoq&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Certainly I know all of that. I also know that making a solid, persistent, large scale statement about what's expected cannot be ignored. But the values do have to be asserted in coherent and linked fashion, not piecemeal and definitely not based in gooshy feelings while actually undermining the law.m
What are you demanding of your politicians?
As "Liana C.K" states in this comment directly our politicians are bought and paid for. They are actually enemy agents of The Terrorist State of Israel. I always get the exact same response from both the democrat senator and the republican senator and representative. "I Stand with Israel" every time. Yesterday was 58 years to the day when the USS Liberty was attacked by The Zionist Nazi Terrorist State of Israel. THEY MACHINE GUNNED MY FELLOW US SAILORS WOUNDED, BURNING JUMPING INTO THE WATER JUST LIKE THEIR NAZI U-BOAT COMMANDERS BEFORE THEM! Prior to this they killed JFK. These are all acts of war and the very act of murdering 34 US sailors and wounding 170 more MAKES EVERY FUCKING ONE WHO STATES SO CLEARLY THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE TERRORIST STATE AN ENEMY AGENT! They send our money to this evil filth who pays off their agents here with our money! Every fucking one of these Zionist Nazi politicians needs to be treated as the enemy they are and hunted down as a "Clear And Present Danger" To The United States of America!
Who exactly are you proposing “crushing like termites”? We are all human even when committing crimes against humanity. Humans, whether Israeli Jews, Germans, Americans, Australians, etc. are capable of great good and great evil. It is dehumanizing other humans which is thr source of our difficulties.
Sociopaths -- a biologically inbred society perpetuating neurologically predisposing alleles with high penetrance, raised on kill-Palestinian propaganda from birth -- simulated war exercises at six years. A society of sociopaths continually breeding more of the same. Don't argue their humanity with me. Put Nature and Nurture together here, and what you have is a disastrous alien subspecies, Homo sociopaticus.
They are human. Humans are sadly capable of crimes against humanity. Think Hiroshima, Vietnam, the Nazi Holocaust, the US war on Iraq, the slaughter of native Americans, the institution of slavery. With your violent rhetoric, sounds like you are capable of the same.
Also, please note just a day or two ago thousands of Israelis, Jews and Palestinians together protested at the Gaza border demanding an end to the slaughter in Gaza. Many carried pictures of Palestinian childreb murdered by Israel. Why is no one covering this?
There is good and bad in every nationality and ethnic group.
Please note: I have lifelong Jewish friends, who themselves are anti-Zionist. I said nothing about Jews. Judaism is a religion of peace, By even mentioning it in response to me, you are demonstrating your undifferentiated cognition. Wake up. I'm telling you the population of Israel -- ISRAEL, not world Judaism or any other population of humans -- demonstrates characteristics of group sociopathy, and biological inbreeding supports that assertion (I have the creds to assert this).
As such, they are Sub-humans in my taxonomy. Welcome to your less-informed opinion.
"Zionism is antithetical to Judaism", Rabbi Dovid Weiss, NYC. And many other scholars of Judaism.
Why is no one covering this? Because it's inconvenient to differentiate anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian Jews from the sociopaths. Ruins the antisemitism tropes.
>>"Why is no one covering this? Because it's inconvenient to differentiate anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian Jews from the sociopaths. Ruins the antisemitism tropes."
🎯
Thank you, Chang. It astounds me that this point still needs such reinforcement at this late date in the horror show.
With tropes like “inbred vermin” and how you would enjoy killing all of them -the Israeli Jewish population, it certainly doesn’t sound good. Are you for killing all Americans too for the crimes of the America empire that many Americans supported?
If we are committed to saving the people of Gaza, how about organizing to demand that our own governments, especially the US government, stop arming them?
Ann Menasche, do you understand the DIFFERENCE between 'expressing outrage and disgust verbally' versus 'actually doing bad deeds (like the Israeli Zionists have been doing in Palestine)'?
Here you are lecturing others on this substack about their 'expressive use of language' that you disagree with. Where is your outrage at the REAL GENOCIDE happening right now?
Where are your words of condemnation for Israel AND Zionists (all over the world) and ALL supporters of Israel?
I haven't seen you before on Caitlin's substack saying anything about the actions of Israeli Zionists. And now here you are dishing out your 'moral superiority' and 'correct and acceptable forms of verbal outrage'?
Maybe you need to re-evaluate your perspective in the context of current world events?
YOU must be the most stupid person who ever made a comment on here.
YOUR fucking Govt. is owned by Zionists.
YOUR Govt. is owned by Zionists.
What are YOU going to do about this?
With your guns in 30% of households what are you doing to address this fucking Empire.
US are cowards.
You kill kids in schools/you disrupt your own Nation with guns but you don't turn your guns on the Government.
COWARDS
No - it’s not humane but part of the capabity of humans of every nationality, religion & ethnic group. Yes, those responsible for this latest genocide should be tried & brought to justice, especially those who made the decisions.
SPOT ON!
Israel is dying.
They can carry pictures of dead infants.......too late Israhell.
I do not believe these Zionists
It's hard to believe the zy0nists when they lie constantly and have warped the narrative and bought out the mass media to cover their war crimes. I think it's wiser and much safer to NOT believe them.
I do not suggest killing the psycho leadership but they need to be locked up.
As a society Israel is very sick. Current polls show the overwhelming/nor even close majority of Israelis support the genocide. A large number supports actual extermination.
Yes. The protest by several hundred is great but again a tiny minority. I do not believe some day Israeli society will wake up and denounce this evil. When all but two western nations are supplying bombs and bucks it is not going to change without something catastrophic.
It was thousands of Israelis rallying at the Gaza border. How do you know what their politics are? Attitudes are changing. American society is equally sick for all our wars & huge military budgets that have killed millions of civilians often with the support of a large majority of the population. Without our US arms and political cover none of this in Gaza could happen.
>>"Without our US arms and political cover none of this in Gaza could happen."
Yes, and Israeli Zionists would find OTHER WAYS to ethnic-cleanse Palestinians from Palestine just as they have been doing since before 1948.
Wake up will you? U.S. or no U.S., Israel's goal has ALWAYS BEEN settler-colonialism (and everything that it entails).
For an example of how 'settler-colonialism' works, look at what the European settlers did to the natives of the Americas.
It was reported as hundreds and is very late in coming.
I have received first hand reports - hundreds marched over several days from Tel Aviv to the Gaza border and thousands were at the rally on the border.
Millions died in Vietnam before the peace movement in the US had won over the American people and was strong enough to help stay the hand of the US military.
Better than nothing, I guess. The fact it's too little too late makes it seem performative.
‘They are human.’
And that point must be kept front and center. If they attacked and killed a person, my dogs would be put down. But they would not be put on trial and prosecuted.
This is necessary. It is necessary to do justice. It is necessary to uphold the decisions of Nuremberg. It is also necessary to reaffirm our humanity.
The reply to maniacal genocide must be based NOT on who Zionism’s practitioners and supporters are; it must be based on who WE are.
Had I anything to say about it, the next war crimes trials will occur in Old City Jerusalem, and the original sentence will apply.
Thanks Vin.
Does it occur to any of you humans that you do NOT rule nature.
Fires/tornados/earthquakes now are becoming the norm.
WE people have forgotten our roots.
Get off your bloody 'phones' and look at Nature. It is dying because of your wars.
Without nature you will NOT exist.
>>"Humans, whether Israeli Jews, Germans, Americans, Australians,..."
Israeli Zionists aren't acting like humans now, are they?
In fact, Israeli Zionists are KILLING humans in real-time RIGHT NOW.
Humans in one word.
YOU Americans started this horror.