I know, what flipped the switch? End Stage Capitalism demands these wars. All that's left of u.s. economic growth is the war machine. I find it funny when Yellen has to emergency fly to Beijing to beg China purchase bills,notes and bonds at the coming auction. DOD has to beg China to manufacture parts for the war machine to use against them/us. I work in science collaboration is the heart of science, even where I work people express the evil of Russia and China even though we have nationals on our experiment. Did Covid alter brain function?
I just took a DOE training exam about evil countries trying to harm our systems. Of course the update is, they labeled, China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea. Meanwhile, the dept. recently de-funded our Dark Matter experiment. Our u.s. members of the collaboration are talking about leaving to another country that is still funding science. To me, when a country chooses war,and genocide over peaceful science that is the end stage of capitalism. Living on Mars is useless, since you would need to live in a bunker deep underground (cosmic radiation) however, that spending over DOD spending let's go for it : )
Hey Society. The simple answer we need to believe that China is evil is because we are told to by the massive propaganda apparatus in our country. And that is being enforced by arrests, de-banking, accusations of being a communist agent, loss of internet access, and so forth. It doesn’t help that we are being dumbed down also. It is becoming dangerous to speak kindly of a country that the Empire has declared an enemy, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China, Iran and so forth. I myself look at China as a 4000 yr old civilization that has wrought miracles as of late with a population number that is staggering. Rebuilding modern cities, energy efficient, bringing the rural downtrodden into the middle class in a matter of years. I often wonder whether the answers to many of our woes could be more rapidly solved with a benevolent dictator rather than the crushing wheels of our so called democracy. Just think, with one click of the fingers, the entire country goes to alternative green energy in 5-10 years. Just fantasizing, maybe. I certainly appreciate the wonders of this country but our house is on fire and no one knows where the fire extinguishers are.
Mr. Xi is a curious case. He seems to have said in an interview that equality was a terrible thing, and yet he supposedly calls himself a Communist. I'll have to ask him about it next time I see him.
I mean it's a contradiction in terms. No doubt there have been dictators who thought they were benevolent because they didn't know any better, were victims of circumstance, and so forth, but surely the first task of a benevolent dictator would be to resign the dictator part.
It's laughable to me that you accuse China of creating "an authoritarian capitalist system," while remaining blind to the authoritarian capitalist system right here in the good ol' US of A.
I remember to have read a comment somewhere about "seeing the splinter in your neighbors' eye while missing the beam in your own." Maybe you can find it.
Who said China is the source of evil? Everybody knows about the severe Wuhan lockdown. Since at the time no one knew how deadly the disease was it seems to me like it was the prudent thing to do. I thought subsequent lockdowns in other countries tended to me mindless follow the leader.
I'm annoyed when Internet commenters address me as "you." So far their estimations have always been completely wrong. I beg you to abjure this practice.
I don't know what they say but do know enough that it is a mixed system. The main thrust of the Communist revolution was to get rid of landlords. The government owns all the urban land and leases it out, so the profits from rising land costs go to the government. There is still rental going on but landlords wield much less power than they did in the old days. I think the banks are nationalized so the government gets all profits but am not sure about that.
The United States is also a mixed system, with Social Security being the most socialistic aspect.
China is not communist as far as there is industry and property owned by private individuals and certainly it is not a classless society. It becomes difficult to clarify completely it’s social and economic status. One could say socialistic as fairly accurate but also tending toward heavily regulated capitalism. They have a significant middle class now. Capitalism in the US is a distorted concept as it is not based on free market mechanisms, greed and power have corrupted our system. We have unfettered capitalism and a system where most all wealth resides in the hands of a few. It certainly is bound for failure as our Earth is being destroyed for more and more, and eventually desperate people will rise up against the inequities. I am not an economist but call it as I see it.
There is private property, there is a single labor market, there is a workplace. Where all three of those are present, there is capitalism. Self-identity doesn't cut it.
I will grant that they seem to have some public utilities for personal provision and strong informal institutions to fill some of the voids, e.g. filial piety lessening the need for pensions.
When I say property I mean not real property, but property more expansively. Not all enterprises are state-owned. Foreign direct investment still exists, and has only expanded under RCEP and other liberalizing trade agreements. They're granting more rights to foreign owners, if the Premier's own words are to be believed, which I would call a move in the wrong direction. IP, in particular, is theft.
>Li told [foreign executives, politicians and researchers] the mainland would align with international rules and strive to create a market-oriented, rule-of-law-based and internationalised environment.
At which meeting was "total global Unity and Order" decreed desirable, and to the benefit of which classes? Where are the ideologists working to displace or negate this stuff? I don't propose any top-down theories of the world at all because every one rests on the foundations of Plato's unwritten doctrines: the doctrine of the One, and the doctrine of the Great and the Small.
As you might surmise from my name, insofar as I adhere to any direction, it is to contribute as best I can to liquifying that foundation and preventing anything from being built on it ever again. Everything classical society ever loved was error, or an instrument with which to love error, including the forms of devotion, sacrifice, heroism, contest, and virtue, and I am quite nearly prepared to extend that assertion to love itself.
It appears the US Government and its corporate overlords are jealous of what China has achieved, an authoritarian capitalist system.
It often seems the US is following in China's footsteps. "Lockdowns? We gotta do that too."
Why do you need to believe that China is the source of evil?
I know, what flipped the switch? End Stage Capitalism demands these wars. All that's left of u.s. economic growth is the war machine. I find it funny when Yellen has to emergency fly to Beijing to beg China purchase bills,notes and bonds at the coming auction. DOD has to beg China to manufacture parts for the war machine to use against them/us. I work in science collaboration is the heart of science, even where I work people express the evil of Russia and China even though we have nationals on our experiment. Did Covid alter brain function?
This comment and post has aged well.
I just took a DOE training exam about evil countries trying to harm our systems. Of course the update is, they labeled, China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea. Meanwhile, the dept. recently de-funded our Dark Matter experiment. Our u.s. members of the collaboration are talking about leaving to another country that is still funding science. To me, when a country chooses war,and genocide over peaceful science that is the end stage of capitalism. Living on Mars is useless, since you would need to live in a bunker deep underground (cosmic radiation) however, that spending over DOD spending let's go for it : )
Hey Society. The simple answer we need to believe that China is evil is because we are told to by the massive propaganda apparatus in our country. And that is being enforced by arrests, de-banking, accusations of being a communist agent, loss of internet access, and so forth. It doesn’t help that we are being dumbed down also. It is becoming dangerous to speak kindly of a country that the Empire has declared an enemy, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China, Iran and so forth. I myself look at China as a 4000 yr old civilization that has wrought miracles as of late with a population number that is staggering. Rebuilding modern cities, energy efficient, bringing the rural downtrodden into the middle class in a matter of years. I often wonder whether the answers to many of our woes could be more rapidly solved with a benevolent dictator rather than the crushing wheels of our so called democracy. Just think, with one click of the fingers, the entire country goes to alternative green energy in 5-10 years. Just fantasizing, maybe. I certainly appreciate the wonders of this country but our house is on fire and no one knows where the fire extinguishers are.
"Benevolent dictator" is pretty much an oxymoron.
Yes the words do not belong together, but Xi comes close.
Mr. Xi is a curious case. He seems to have said in an interview that equality was a terrible thing, and yet he supposedly calls himself a Communist. I'll have to ask him about it next time I see him.
why do you think xi is (or comes close to) a dictator?
I mean it's a contradiction in terms. No doubt there have been dictators who thought they were benevolent because they didn't know any better, were victims of circumstance, and so forth, but surely the first task of a benevolent dictator would be to resign the dictator part.
It's laughable to me that you accuse China of creating "an authoritarian capitalist system," while remaining blind to the authoritarian capitalist system right here in the good ol' US of A.
I remember to have read a comment somewhere about "seeing the splinter in your neighbors' eye while missing the beam in your own." Maybe you can find it.
Who said China is the source of evil? Everybody knows about the severe Wuhan lockdown. Since at the time no one knew how deadly the disease was it seems to me like it was the prudent thing to do. I thought subsequent lockdowns in other countries tended to me mindless follow the leader.
I'm annoyed when Internet commenters address me as "you." So far their estimations have always been completely wrong. I beg you to abjure this practice.
Yes, when people tell me what I think, feel, or believe, it really p!sses me off too.
Not worth the effort
The ruling party in China is Communist. The economy has tended towards a capitalist system. You figure it out.
what does the cpc say about this contradiction?
I don't know what they say but do know enough that it is a mixed system. The main thrust of the Communist revolution was to get rid of landlords. The government owns all the urban land and leases it out, so the profits from rising land costs go to the government. There is still rental going on but landlords wield much less power than they did in the old days. I think the banks are nationalized so the government gets all profits but am not sure about that.
The United States is also a mixed system, with Social Security being the most socialistic aspect.
These wars are not political, they are economic. End Stage Capitalism demands it, there can be only one as seen from Washington.
China is not communist as far as there is industry and property owned by private individuals and certainly it is not a classless society. It becomes difficult to clarify completely it’s social and economic status. One could say socialistic as fairly accurate but also tending toward heavily regulated capitalism. They have a significant middle class now. Capitalism in the US is a distorted concept as it is not based on free market mechanisms, greed and power have corrupted our system. We have unfettered capitalism and a system where most all wealth resides in the hands of a few. It certainly is bound for failure as our Earth is being destroyed for more and more, and eventually desperate people will rise up against the inequities. I am not an economist but call it as I see it.
Are you responding to Michael G?
Or to some mythical creature in your own head?
Because none of what Michael G said about the capitalism in the US today could possibly be misconstrued as "fan" talk.
There is private property, there is a single labor market, there is a workplace. Where all three of those are present, there is capitalism. Self-identity doesn't cut it.
I will grant that they seem to have some public utilities for personal provision and strong informal institutions to fill some of the voids, e.g. filial piety lessening the need for pensions.
When I say property I mean not real property, but property more expansively. Not all enterprises are state-owned. Foreign direct investment still exists, and has only expanded under RCEP and other liberalizing trade agreements. They're granting more rights to foreign owners, if the Premier's own words are to be believed, which I would call a move in the wrong direction. IP, in particular, is theft.
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3215649/boao-vow-li-qiang-comes-right-time-china-and-world
>Li told [foreign executives, politicians and researchers] the mainland would align with international rules and strive to create a market-oriented, rule-of-law-based and internationalised environment.
At which meeting was "total global Unity and Order" decreed desirable, and to the benefit of which classes? Where are the ideologists working to displace or negate this stuff? I don't propose any top-down theories of the world at all because every one rests on the foundations of Plato's unwritten doctrines: the doctrine of the One, and the doctrine of the Great and the Small.
As you might surmise from my name, insofar as I adhere to any direction, it is to contribute as best I can to liquifying that foundation and preventing anything from being built on it ever again. Everything classical society ever loved was error, or an instrument with which to love error, including the forms of devotion, sacrifice, heroism, contest, and virtue, and I am quite nearly prepared to extend that assertion to love itself.