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Caesar's own boasts. The simple fact that Northern Europe went from being incredibly prosperous to an economic basket case. I strongly suggest you read this, and ponder the ancient maxim "The victors write the history books": https://www.amazon.co.uk/Terry-Jones-Barbarians-Alan-Ereira/dp/056353916X

There's also a four-parter accompanying TV documentary, if you don't read. It can be found online with the same title.

It was not the "Anglo-Saxons" - who were by and large decent neighbours once they'd settled down - but the Norman overlords who were behind the invasion and later deliberate starvation of the Irish. The Normans, if you don't know, were the Vikings who moved down into France, and found they liked they absolute power given by the structures the Romans had left behind, the "Imperial" mindset. You should also read up on the horrifying tactics they used to subjugate Britain itself.

The 100,000,000 figure is from Indian historians themselves, who took into consideration that India went from >30% of world output and wealth to less than 5% under British Imperial rule.

Empires are never, or rarely, run to improve the lives of those they forcibly rule, but to extort as much as possible for the small 'elites' in whose interests they run.

That has consequences for those ruled.

To imagine otherwise is to manage to believe that wealth "Trickles down".

Does it?

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Who D. Who's avatar

So you're equating Normans with Romans? That, too, is news to me.

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Is it? And what did the 'Holy Roman Empire' have to do with Romans? Ever been to Berlin, and seen the Brandenberg gate? It's filled with Roman iconography. The IDEAS of Rome continued long after their murderous reign of terror. Do you know where the term "Fascism" came from? Its the bundles of three rods used as a symbol power in Rome that are called 'Fasces".

Women's role being kinder, kirche, kuche? Roman ideal of womanhood.

And no, the much older and saner civilisations that Rome destroyed were not "just as bad". The Celts had a rough form of egalitarianism, as did the Skandis. The Dacians WERE ruled by women - until Emperor Trajan invaded and mercilessly wiped them out for that "crime" (And all their gold). The Celts were also quite wealthy, 4000 years of peaceful trading can accumulate quite a lot of wealth.

Btw, can you name a single Celt city? Or even town? No? It's not because they didn't have any, they were if anything considerably more developed than the Romans. But the Roman invaders burnt every single city, town and village to the ground. Erased them from history.

"Rome brought civilisation"? Rome DESTROYED civilisation.

No, that's not what you were taught in school. Well, school shouldn't be the last time you read some books either.

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Who D. Who's avatar

Ah, so now it’s the “ideas” of Rome that make things and people Roman? You need to take your superficial, impressionistic half-notions of history and stuff them seriously where the sun don’t shine, a place I suspect you’re quite familiar with. I’ve lived all over Europe, presently in France, and am undoubtedly far more familiar, first-hand, with any of this stuff than you are. You want a Celtic city? Burdigala, the Gallic name of Bordeaux. Now please try to make better use of your time and stop wasting mine. (There, you can even have the last word, if you like, because I don’t like conversing with fascists—the root of which name I know all too well, you pompous ass.)

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