I’m not sure it is helpful in a post titled “It’s good when idols get knocked off pedestals” to mention “The Christ”, who 2.4 billion people now believe is the biggest hero/idol of all time and who all place on the biggest pedestal ever constructed.
That said, I actually like this particular alleged saying of Jesus because one interpretation is that you don’t need anyone telling you what you already know because it’s already inside you—no idol, hero, savior, or pedestal required.
The words that are attributed to him seem to be words to consider. As for putting him up on a pedestal? All religions everywhere have their hero idols that they put all of their "trust" in via their writings. My problem with Christianity lies in the fact that your reason, logic and common sense is supposed to be left at the threshold of the building they meet in and you are supposed to believe on FAITH that the man or woman preaching is anointed and you should accept their word since God can only talk through them. It's pitiful.
I am an atheist and was brought up that way. I believe all religions are superstitions, left over from the time of primitive mankind, made up in an attempt to understand life. Now, since the Enlightenment, we have science and we actually KNOW a lot about life. But the stories about Jesus Christ do portray him as a rebel against the Roman Empire and there are some pithy quotations supposedly from his spoken words. But nobody should ever take anything on faith.
Carolyn, If you knew what is written between the covers of the BOOK of BOOKS, you could relate to the record showing Jesus was a rebel against the Religious Establishment!
Living and going through my 80th year, I would love to see the Day on Earth the BOOK says will come when "NO NONE will have to TALK ABOUT GOD because EVERYONE would KNOW GOD"
Effectively that would be a Regime Change of the Religious Establishments of this World's PYRAMID Systems portrayed as the 2 INVERSE PYRAMIDS in the Star of David.
Greater numbers of People from ALL NATIONS are beginning to see how upside down this Material World is become, like the upside down PYRAMID on it's tip ready to topple over.
Jewish Rabbis, Christian TV Evangelists and Muslim Imams would disappear from Public Spaces as no longer necessary.
JOY, PEACE and GOOD WILL to all proclaimed on that 1st Christmas Eve, would prevail in THIS World!
The Kingdom People have been praying for to come the last 2000 years will have finally arrived IF the People ACTUALLY DO the WILL of God on EARTH, as it is in HEAVEN. The people prayed but didn't do for 2000 years, and now this World is in dire straits for OUR GENERATIONS to sort out.
And as the late Carl Klang sang years ago...LORD SAVE ME FROM A FEW OF YOUR FOLLOWERS. Describing you well as one we need to be saved from. A know it all that has it all figured out and has it figured out so well that he judges others according to what HE thinks is the truth. The "book" you write about is so full of contradictions and goes against reason, logic and common sense, which by the way is something the creator gave us ALL, not just you. Enjoy... Which one is YOU Ray? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwUdHEo0Y4
Something exists that gave us this creation. It just didn't happen. How it all works? I haven't the faintest idea. But I will say this, if you're an atheist you have more faith than I do! Because the creation bespeaks a creator. To believe otherwise takes a LOT of faith in "nothing".
Come now, and let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
If you be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
How does the Finite Mind reason with the Infinite Mind?
It has to be with Reverence, Humility, Trust and lots of PATIENCE in short supply these Days.
What City in our TIMES? Washington, New York, Ottawa, London, Berlin, Moscow, Beijing, Jerusalem? One or all?
No doubt there are Good and Evil Images and Scenes in the Bible describing what Humans are doing from so long ago to these Days.
In my Faith, I have this view in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, now unfolding and HAPPENING in THIS Material World these 2000 years after it was put to pen.
And the NATIONS WERE ANGRY, and your WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that you should give reward to your servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear your name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 11:18
Everyone can see the NATIONS and the People within them are increasingly Angry and Wrathful.
Science is telling us we Humans are destroying this Earth and the environment that sustains us.
Humans made in the Image and Likeness of God don't listen, are not concerned and continue on that Path without question.
Therefore rejoice, you heavens, and you that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down to you, having great WRATH, because he knows that he has but a short time.
Revelation 12:12
FAITH in the Resurrected Spirit of Christ gives us the tools to walk through that minefield delivered from from the WRATH of God and the WRATH of the devil, and the ability to discern WHICH WRATH IS WHICH?
I think the big Oscar winner this year, not the movie itself, but the Title. 'EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE' is prescient for the Time of Tribulation THIS World is heading into.
As for IDOLS, this was posted online 12 years ago describing 1 surprise night in my Curriculum Vitae in Venice, California 1976,
"And it feels like it's happening faster and faster. The Dalai Lama trying to tongue kiss that kid. Chomsky meeting with Epstein. Bernie Sanders falling all over himself to serve the establishment he once vocally decried. People just don't get to keep their heroes anymore."
Then let the people make a new hero through the ballot box. For just one reason, let us quickly promote Robert Kennedy into the White House, thereby immediately closing 800 US military bases around the world. Do not schedule any visits for him in the state of Texas.
Ask him to dispense with the services of 21,000 employees at the CIA Criminal Club as well. Let us also make it so hard for the self-serving Davos meetings to ever occur again, plotting as they are for their own interests. Close immediately through legislation the overseas-controlled un-American club called AIPAC and their hundreds of similarly motivated anti-democratic consultancies, the Neocons, from functioning on American soil.
Identify publicly and then do away with dual US / Israel citizenship.
Let us all try and find just one respectable (and truthful) media organisation to show the world the real Netanyahu and his Knesset with their 400+ nuclear devices, remembering as well all the regimes in Israel whose corrupt aims have been in place for 70 years without any meaningful action by the toothless and shamed United Nations. A total charade.
The world cannot afford to wait until some fools from a US-based organisation, (most likely) or a US vassal state ‘partner' or a NATO member makes an on-purpose mistake and fires off a nuclear device. No more obvious way imaginable to create yet another world power grouping of say, Russia and China as a new power bloc joining with all the other states in the world that have been treated badly by the USA. Far too many to list.
We cannot wait any longer for a required break from the Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush types of Presidents together with their corrupters, ruling the world…..by force.
I probably ought to have written “It’s ironic” instead of “I’m not sure it’s helpful.” So point taken. I agree that it is always helpful to consider someone else’s perspective.
Regarding Jesus knocking himself off the pedestal he has been placed on, there isn’t enough historical evidence to know what Jesus would think about his idolization, but I like the sentiment of what you say because I tend to like cosmic rulers who are humble . On the other hand, if Jesus wants to come down from heaven tomorrow in a pillar of light with a lightning bolt in either hand and send Victoria Nuland, Jake Sullivan, John Bolton, and all the other Neo-liberal imperials into a lower level of Hell for a few minutes so they can get a taste of their future karmic desserts, I might see that as a nice bit of divine justice.
Killing over 200,000 CIVILIANS in WAR lI with 2 small nukes, since then the US has invaded and bombed ONLY poor, 3rd World countries and couldn't get a win in any of them with the MOST EXPENSIVE Military Force in the History of Nations.
The frantic exit from Kabul in August 2021 was the latest US Humiliation the World saw, Afghanistan being one of the poorest Countries on Earth.
I would agree, except that it’s almost always the innocent bystanders who get killed in such 3rd world conflicts. It is celebrants in wedding parties and teenagers playing soccer and mothers holding babies walking to the market who get droned, or it is teenage boy soldiers who’ve never fallen in love who seem to get their legs blown off. And worse, the preachers of war and the begetters of armies get continuous adulation and bigger and bigger paychecks. Take John Bolton, for example: he has never been right about anything in his adult life, yet he thrives and grows rich. For there to ever be divine justice, there will first have to be a just divinity.
I've often said that if I ever get to question the "creator" one of my first questions would be "why do you let psychopathic control freak parasites rule the world continually from day one?" I suspect that he/she/it whatever, will place the blame on us. After all, don't we vote them in? Don't we support them? Don't we kiss their asses and lick the boots of their enforcement police?
What worries me is that Hermes Trismegistus was right, “As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul….” This cosmos is most similar to a big corporation, and it’s of, by, and for psychopaths. My guess is that if you ever get the chance to pop your question to Him, your new office will be in the sub-basement next to the lava flow.
I’m not sure it is helpful in a post titled “It’s good when idols get knocked off pedestals” to mention “The Christ”, who 2.4 billion people now believe is the biggest hero/idol of all time and who all place on the biggest pedestal ever constructed.
That said, I actually like this particular alleged saying of Jesus because one interpretation is that you don’t need anyone telling you what you already know because it’s already inside you—no idol, hero, savior, or pedestal required.
The words that are attributed to him seem to be words to consider. As for putting him up on a pedestal? All religions everywhere have their hero idols that they put all of their "trust" in via their writings. My problem with Christianity lies in the fact that your reason, logic and common sense is supposed to be left at the threshold of the building they meet in and you are supposed to believe on FAITH that the man or woman preaching is anointed and you should accept their word since God can only talk through them. It's pitiful.
I am an atheist and was brought up that way. I believe all religions are superstitions, left over from the time of primitive mankind, made up in an attempt to understand life. Now, since the Enlightenment, we have science and we actually KNOW a lot about life. But the stories about Jesus Christ do portray him as a rebel against the Roman Empire and there are some pithy quotations supposedly from his spoken words. But nobody should ever take anything on faith.
Carolyn, If you knew what is written between the covers of the BOOK of BOOKS, you could relate to the record showing Jesus was a rebel against the Religious Establishment!
Living and going through my 80th year, I would love to see the Day on Earth the BOOK says will come when "NO NONE will have to TALK ABOUT GOD because EVERYONE would KNOW GOD"
Effectively that would be a Regime Change of the Religious Establishments of this World's PYRAMID Systems portrayed as the 2 INVERSE PYRAMIDS in the Star of David.
Greater numbers of People from ALL NATIONS are beginning to see how upside down this Material World is become, like the upside down PYRAMID on it's tip ready to topple over.
Jewish Rabbis, Christian TV Evangelists and Muslim Imams would disappear from Public Spaces as no longer necessary.
JOY, PEACE and GOOD WILL to all proclaimed on that 1st Christmas Eve, would prevail in THIS World!
The Kingdom People have been praying for to come the last 2000 years will have finally arrived IF the People ACTUALLY DO the WILL of God on EARTH, as it is in HEAVEN. The people prayed but didn't do for 2000 years, and now this World is in dire straits for OUR GENERATIONS to sort out.
Science today is nothing but a money making scam for those who "do it". Another way to be a parasite on the rest of us without feeling bad about it.
That's only if you discount these warnings or cautions in the Book, 'You hypocrites! Isaiah describes you well.
This people draws close to me with their mouth, and honours me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Obviously those words of The Christ are not addressed to those who don't believe in him, but to those who think they do
And this other insight from the Book of Books, 'For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Good old Isaiah. A cynic, sure, but not a sheep.
And as the late Carl Klang sang years ago...LORD SAVE ME FROM A FEW OF YOUR FOLLOWERS. Describing you well as one we need to be saved from. A know it all that has it all figured out and has it figured out so well that he judges others according to what HE thinks is the truth. The "book" you write about is so full of contradictions and goes against reason, logic and common sense, which by the way is something the creator gave us ALL, not just you. Enjoy... Which one is YOU Ray? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwUdHEo0Y4
deism.com explains it all. God gave us REASON, not religion.
"God" does not exist, so "he" didn't give us anything.
Something exists that gave us this creation. It just didn't happen. How it all works? I haven't the faintest idea. But I will say this, if you're an atheist you have more faith than I do! Because the creation bespeaks a creator. To believe otherwise takes a LOT of faith in "nothing".
I respect your Right to think what you will, but my experience is not your experience.
I've been looking for more of God since I unexpectedly, suddenly came alive to God February 1, 1975.
I describe what happened that Day here with a Title that was prescient when it was posted 12 years ago now unfolding before our eyes THESE Days.
Biden and many other World Leaders are saying this World is closer to Armageddon than ever before.
Naturally, a lot of People don't want to know that and face it.
https://rayjc.com/2011/12/25/day-of-awakening-david-vs-goliath-vs-armageddon/
Carolyn, God has given me so much, you would not understand the Peace I know that passes all understanding, even in this crazy World.
You can speak for yourself.
Come now, and let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
If you be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
But if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
How does the Finite Mind reason with the Infinite Mind?
It has to be with Reverence, Humility, Trust and lots of PATIENCE in short supply these Days.
What City in our TIMES? Washington, New York, Ottawa, London, Berlin, Moscow, Beijing, Jerusalem? One or all?
No doubt there are Good and Evil Images and Scenes in the Bible describing what Humans are doing from so long ago to these Days.
In my Faith, I have this view in the Revelation of Jesus Christ, now unfolding and HAPPENING in THIS Material World these 2000 years after it was put to pen.
And the NATIONS WERE ANGRY, and your WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that you should give reward to your servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear your name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 11:18
Everyone can see the NATIONS and the People within them are increasingly Angry and Wrathful.
Science is telling us we Humans are destroying this Earth and the environment that sustains us.
Humans made in the Image and Likeness of God don't listen, are not concerned and continue on that Path without question.
Therefore rejoice, you heavens, and you that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down to you, having great WRATH, because he knows that he has but a short time.
Revelation 12:12
FAITH in the Resurrected Spirit of Christ gives us the tools to walk through that minefield delivered from from the WRATH of God and the WRATH of the devil, and the ability to discern WHICH WRATH IS WHICH?
I think the big Oscar winner this year, not the movie itself, but the Title. 'EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE ALL AT ONCE' is prescient for the Time of Tribulation THIS World is heading into.
As for IDOLS, this was posted online 12 years ago describing 1 surprise night in my Curriculum Vitae in Venice, California 1976,
https://rayjc.com/2011/02/28/oscar-and-the-idols-of-the-people/
In response to Caitlin.....
"And it feels like it's happening faster and faster. The Dalai Lama trying to tongue kiss that kid. Chomsky meeting with Epstein. Bernie Sanders falling all over himself to serve the establishment he once vocally decried. People just don't get to keep their heroes anymore."
Then let the people make a new hero through the ballot box. For just one reason, let us quickly promote Robert Kennedy into the White House, thereby immediately closing 800 US military bases around the world. Do not schedule any visits for him in the state of Texas.
Ask him to dispense with the services of 21,000 employees at the CIA Criminal Club as well. Let us also make it so hard for the self-serving Davos meetings to ever occur again, plotting as they are for their own interests. Close immediately through legislation the overseas-controlled un-American club called AIPAC and their hundreds of similarly motivated anti-democratic consultancies, the Neocons, from functioning on American soil.
Identify publicly and then do away with dual US / Israel citizenship.
Let us all try and find just one respectable (and truthful) media organisation to show the world the real Netanyahu and his Knesset with their 400+ nuclear devices, remembering as well all the regimes in Israel whose corrupt aims have been in place for 70 years without any meaningful action by the toothless and shamed United Nations. A total charade.
The world cannot afford to wait until some fools from a US-based organisation, (most likely) or a US vassal state ‘partner' or a NATO member makes an on-purpose mistake and fires off a nuclear device. No more obvious way imaginable to create yet another world power grouping of say, Russia and China as a new power bloc joining with all the other states in the world that have been treated badly by the USA. Far too many to list.
We cannot wait any longer for a required break from the Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush types of Presidents together with their corrupters, ruling the world…..by force.
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Of course it’s helpful!!! Even Jesus would have knocked himself off the pedestal Christians have put him on.
I probably ought to have written “It’s ironic” instead of “I’m not sure it’s helpful.” So point taken. I agree that it is always helpful to consider someone else’s perspective.
Regarding Jesus knocking himself off the pedestal he has been placed on, there isn’t enough historical evidence to know what Jesus would think about his idolization, but I like the sentiment of what you say because I tend to like cosmic rulers who are humble . On the other hand, if Jesus wants to come down from heaven tomorrow in a pillar of light with a lightning bolt in either hand and send Victoria Nuland, Jake Sullivan, John Bolton, and all the other Neo-liberal imperials into a lower level of Hell for a few minutes so they can get a taste of their future karmic desserts, I might see that as a nice bit of divine justice.
Killing over 200,000 CIVILIANS in WAR lI with 2 small nukes, since then the US has invaded and bombed ONLY poor, 3rd World countries and couldn't get a win in any of them with the MOST EXPENSIVE Military Force in the History of Nations.
The frantic exit from Kabul in August 2021 was the latest US Humiliation the World saw, Afghanistan being one of the poorest Countries on Earth.
I see that as a nice bit of Divine Justice
Yes the US is run by psychopathic control freaks and the majority of the population has swallowed their pied piper swill.
I would agree, except that it’s almost always the innocent bystanders who get killed in such 3rd world conflicts. It is celebrants in wedding parties and teenagers playing soccer and mothers holding babies walking to the market who get droned, or it is teenage boy soldiers who’ve never fallen in love who seem to get their legs blown off. And worse, the preachers of war and the begetters of armies get continuous adulation and bigger and bigger paychecks. Take John Bolton, for example: he has never been right about anything in his adult life, yet he thrives and grows rich. For there to ever be divine justice, there will first have to be a just divinity.
I've often said that if I ever get to question the "creator" one of my first questions would be "why do you let psychopathic control freak parasites rule the world continually from day one?" I suspect that he/she/it whatever, will place the blame on us. After all, don't we vote them in? Don't we support them? Don't we kiss their asses and lick the boots of their enforcement police?
What worries me is that Hermes Trismegistus was right, “As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul….” This cosmos is most similar to a big corporation, and it’s of, by, and for psychopaths. My guess is that if you ever get the chance to pop your question to Him, your new office will be in the sub-basement next to the lava flow.
Hahahahahhahaha!!!! You made my day with this idea! a I literally laughed out loud! Thanks so much.
That's the sign of a true disciple.. he doesn't take his shit too seriously.
The Church of boB says::
Kill boB!