It's been the system since the first city states set up their first absolute rulers. Might makes right. We're just witnessing it on a grand scale. Something the world has been doing to one another for centuries. Most world changing inventions started out as better weapons of war that were reinvented for a peaceful product once it wasn't needed for war for a bit. Think chariots and spears. Horses, bows and arrows and so on throughout history. Now, the clouds of arrows that armies used to throw at one another have been upgraded to jet fueled missiles. Catapults with rocks have become artillery shells. But, despite all of the upgrades, humans are still killing each other over resources that a stronger tribe wants and decides that their ability to out muscle the other tribe gives them the right to decimate the other tribes and take what they want. Nothing has changed in the frontal lobes of the human brain dating back to when the first tribes of men decided that they were better than the neanderthals they encountered and decided that the neanderthals had to go. There was no room on the planet for a species of human that seemed to be a lessor human version.
We are seeing the modern version of that in Palestine right now. In Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. We saw this back in the early 1990's when the Serbs decided that the Croats were a lesser human and decided that they all had to go away. We have seen this time and time again throughout history and Palestine won't be the last. We're watching another flare up between Pakistan and India right now. The Hindus of India has always considered the Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh inferior. The difference now, is that both of these countries have nukes and short tempers.
Again, it's the systems. The systems that forge these tribal identities, which lead to tribal wars because might makes right.
Humans are such a flawed species and always will be until that domination instinct in the frontal lobe finally is mutated out. Or a better version of the species evolves without it someday way in the future.
Somewhat agree, except the part about the Serbs/Croats. The Serbs were trying to keep the multicultural Yugoslavia together, the EU/Germans wanted to break the country apart so they could feast on the pieces, and backed - as they so often do - nationalist fascist and racialist elements to that end.
Milosevic won his court cases against him, and he was poisoned before he could start the spill the beans once he was released. Tudjman however was kept far away from a trial; because his hands were as bloody as Nuttyahoos.
The region is still in turmoil today due to this utterly cynical manoeuvre, although once Russia liberates Odessa, Serbia will be able to join BRICS and have a direct trade route through the Danube.
I'm afraid the situation with the Hindus and Pakistanis is that they BOTH see themselves as superior, and once again Britain has done all that it can to stir up trouble between them for its own Imperial ends. India is mainly at fault in the current situation, especially in Kashmir, but don't think that Pakistan has clean hands either. As the Pakistani defence minister admitted recently, their hands WERE behind many terror attacks; and the West behind them. Ditto, needless to say, many equal Indian atrocities and who encouraged those.
The domination system may never go away, it is mammalian hardwired; but a wise society is wise because it has learned to bend that instinct into socially-beneficial acts and systems: the West has done the opposite, and created a system where that instinct is revelled in, for a small caste 'elite'.
We are not perfect creatures, nor ever will be in any realistic timeframe. But we COULD realise this imperfection, and turn it to society's benefit as a whole, rather than a small number's.
I agree wholeheartedly. We can do better. We actually have on occasion. As for the tribal divisions, I also agree with you, in that the imperialist west has had a hand in almost every instance of these wars. Britain especially, with the U.S. playing their second cousins in the background. I'm more concerned over this latest statement by the Pakistani Railroad minister threatening to lob nukes at India. I hope some cooler, saner heads will prevail here.
Both sides do that each time they have a conflict, last time I was in India (2002 if memory serves, but around then), they were also at the brink of war, and all the Indian media were gung ho about how Pakistan was about to be vaporised.
I remember holding court to a large group of young Indian men after a meditation practise, trying to get them to understand that this isn't just a "Big Bomb", that it would destroy and poison the sacred land for many, many generations to come, after some of them expressed their willingness to go that far. The whole 'Duck and cover' childhood messaging, etc. Being in and around Mumbai for the period I was there was somewhat nerve-wracking, as along with New Delhi this was absolutely Ground Zero.
Would Western deepstate 'influencers' try to instigate such a catastrophe to undermine BRICS? I wouldn't put a single penny against that bet.
And frankly, Indian and Pakistani leadership (Sans Imran Khan, and a few in India too) are as bad as our own. All we can do is pray wiser council prevails.
And that is the crux of it all. Someone, probably someone in the west, is stirring things up in Afghanistan again amongst the Pashto and, by proxy, some of the other factions who are poor and hungry. The tensions between the Muslims and Hindus goes back centuries but they have been stirred up once again because someone stands to gain from it. I want to believe that the cooler heads will prevail once again and things will eventually dial back to the low simmer its always been. Here's hoping.
I heard recently that Russia has just formally recognised the Taliban, which, at least historically, was a Pashtun based group. And the Taliban are very interested in the BRI, which is going to require stability across the area/region. Fingers crossed the Taliban leadership can impose enough discipline, and can crack down on the various western fronts, such as the AQ and IS groups, that mainly cause all the trouble.
(As a side note, the Talib dignitaries that visited Moscow were very impressed by the Russian women - that alone may well cause more social change for women in Afghanistan than every single Western bomb and bullet).
Modi's behaviour is almost guaranteeing future conflicts, with his treatment within India of minorities especially Muslims, and the unilateral revocation of Kashmir's Special Status, and the ethnic-cleansing he initiated there.
And as it seems every time the local Muslims will fight back against these outrages, Pakistan is going to be blamed (From the playbook of Israel's blaming of Iran), I fear it's going to take a miracle.
But they do happen, from time to time.
I'm one of those that thinks "Hope" was the cruellest release from the box by Pandora, but sometimes that's all we have left. xxx
I remember reading about that delegation visiting Moscow as well. I lived in Konduz as a special operations soldier in 2002 (the kind with no uniforms) and learned first hand all of the lies the western governments were telling everyone back home in the west. Although I despised the Taliban for their strict Sharia laws, I was awed by the way the people adapted and shrugged their shoulders. They are a very resilient people. I miss some of my comrades I worked with there. I often wonder what has happened to them after all of these years.
I'm afraid you're right about Modi and that scares me a little. He is always looking for an excuse to pick on the Muslims and this may be the spark he wants. I hope not because the Muslims will fight back if pushed too hard and things could escalate quickly with factions from around the region running to joint the new fight. I can see Al Qaeda factions and Daesh factions running down there to join up. Not something anyone wants. At least the sane ones anyway. Let's keep our fingers crossed that things will settle down in the coming days.
maybe not the diversity (tribes and peoples developing seperately adapted to their particular material circumstances) as such, but the system will indeed insert animosity, belligerence, competition to prepare exploitation.
That's when everything started. When media demonized the Serbs, they still did to eventually justify American "humanitarian" intervention. No different than what they are doing with Russia. Sheesh.
I agree, but the survivalist in me hopes that this happens long after I'm worm food. I don't wish to endure a world depopulating event while I'm still above ground. I've seen enough bad things from humanity in my life. I'm tired and just want to try and ride out the rest of my life in relative peace. I won't get that but I hope for the best anyway.
And I share that conviction entirely. I'd prefer not to see the worst of human behaviour up close. Russia had many advantages during the collapse of the USSR that we simply don't have. A wise person would have gotten out several years back - I've known this was coming for over 20 years. But I'm a Fool, always have been. Corbyn was the last chance to derail this process in the UK - the Establishment destroyed him. Now it's a waiting game.
I agree. Plus add the most devastating words ever written: that God created humans in his image and gave them dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the livestock, and all the creatures that crawl on the earth. ...
If it wasn't so depressing, I'd recommend you a book by Steve Nicholls called "Paradise Found." If you are an animal lover, don't read it.
It's been the system since the first city states set up their first absolute rulers. Might makes right. We're just witnessing it on a grand scale. Something the world has been doing to one another for centuries. Most world changing inventions started out as better weapons of war that were reinvented for a peaceful product once it wasn't needed for war for a bit. Think chariots and spears. Horses, bows and arrows and so on throughout history. Now, the clouds of arrows that armies used to throw at one another have been upgraded to jet fueled missiles. Catapults with rocks have become artillery shells. But, despite all of the upgrades, humans are still killing each other over resources that a stronger tribe wants and decides that their ability to out muscle the other tribe gives them the right to decimate the other tribes and take what they want. Nothing has changed in the frontal lobes of the human brain dating back to when the first tribes of men decided that they were better than the neanderthals they encountered and decided that the neanderthals had to go. There was no room on the planet for a species of human that seemed to be a lessor human version.
We are seeing the modern version of that in Palestine right now. In Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. We saw this back in the early 1990's when the Serbs decided that the Croats were a lesser human and decided that they all had to go away. We have seen this time and time again throughout history and Palestine won't be the last. We're watching another flare up between Pakistan and India right now. The Hindus of India has always considered the Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh inferior. The difference now, is that both of these countries have nukes and short tempers.
Again, it's the systems. The systems that forge these tribal identities, which lead to tribal wars because might makes right.
Humans are such a flawed species and always will be until that domination instinct in the frontal lobe finally is mutated out. Or a better version of the species evolves without it someday way in the future.
Somewhat agree, except the part about the Serbs/Croats. The Serbs were trying to keep the multicultural Yugoslavia together, the EU/Germans wanted to break the country apart so they could feast on the pieces, and backed - as they so often do - nationalist fascist and racialist elements to that end.
Milosevic won his court cases against him, and he was poisoned before he could start the spill the beans once he was released. Tudjman however was kept far away from a trial; because his hands were as bloody as Nuttyahoos.
The region is still in turmoil today due to this utterly cynical manoeuvre, although once Russia liberates Odessa, Serbia will be able to join BRICS and have a direct trade route through the Danube.
I'm afraid the situation with the Hindus and Pakistanis is that they BOTH see themselves as superior, and once again Britain has done all that it can to stir up trouble between them for its own Imperial ends. India is mainly at fault in the current situation, especially in Kashmir, but don't think that Pakistan has clean hands either. As the Pakistani defence minister admitted recently, their hands WERE behind many terror attacks; and the West behind them. Ditto, needless to say, many equal Indian atrocities and who encouraged those.
The domination system may never go away, it is mammalian hardwired; but a wise society is wise because it has learned to bend that instinct into socially-beneficial acts and systems: the West has done the opposite, and created a system where that instinct is revelled in, for a small caste 'elite'.
We are not perfect creatures, nor ever will be in any realistic timeframe. But we COULD realise this imperfection, and turn it to society's benefit as a whole, rather than a small number's.
I agree wholeheartedly. We can do better. We actually have on occasion. As for the tribal divisions, I also agree with you, in that the imperialist west has had a hand in almost every instance of these wars. Britain especially, with the U.S. playing their second cousins in the background. I'm more concerned over this latest statement by the Pakistani Railroad minister threatening to lob nukes at India. I hope some cooler, saner heads will prevail here.
Both sides do that each time they have a conflict, last time I was in India (2002 if memory serves, but around then), they were also at the brink of war, and all the Indian media were gung ho about how Pakistan was about to be vaporised.
I remember holding court to a large group of young Indian men after a meditation practise, trying to get them to understand that this isn't just a "Big Bomb", that it would destroy and poison the sacred land for many, many generations to come, after some of them expressed their willingness to go that far. The whole 'Duck and cover' childhood messaging, etc. Being in and around Mumbai for the period I was there was somewhat nerve-wracking, as along with New Delhi this was absolutely Ground Zero.
Would Western deepstate 'influencers' try to instigate such a catastrophe to undermine BRICS? I wouldn't put a single penny against that bet.
And frankly, Indian and Pakistani leadership (Sans Imran Khan, and a few in India too) are as bad as our own. All we can do is pray wiser council prevails.
And that is the crux of it all. Someone, probably someone in the west, is stirring things up in Afghanistan again amongst the Pashto and, by proxy, some of the other factions who are poor and hungry. The tensions between the Muslims and Hindus goes back centuries but they have been stirred up once again because someone stands to gain from it. I want to believe that the cooler heads will prevail once again and things will eventually dial back to the low simmer its always been. Here's hoping.
I heard recently that Russia has just formally recognised the Taliban, which, at least historically, was a Pashtun based group. And the Taliban are very interested in the BRI, which is going to require stability across the area/region. Fingers crossed the Taliban leadership can impose enough discipline, and can crack down on the various western fronts, such as the AQ and IS groups, that mainly cause all the trouble.
(As a side note, the Talib dignitaries that visited Moscow were very impressed by the Russian women - that alone may well cause more social change for women in Afghanistan than every single Western bomb and bullet).
Modi's behaviour is almost guaranteeing future conflicts, with his treatment within India of minorities especially Muslims, and the unilateral revocation of Kashmir's Special Status, and the ethnic-cleansing he initiated there.
And as it seems every time the local Muslims will fight back against these outrages, Pakistan is going to be blamed (From the playbook of Israel's blaming of Iran), I fear it's going to take a miracle.
But they do happen, from time to time.
I'm one of those that thinks "Hope" was the cruellest release from the box by Pandora, but sometimes that's all we have left. xxx
I remember reading about that delegation visiting Moscow as well. I lived in Konduz as a special operations soldier in 2002 (the kind with no uniforms) and learned first hand all of the lies the western governments were telling everyone back home in the west. Although I despised the Taliban for their strict Sharia laws, I was awed by the way the people adapted and shrugged their shoulders. They are a very resilient people. I miss some of my comrades I worked with there. I often wonder what has happened to them after all of these years.
I'm afraid you're right about Modi and that scares me a little. He is always looking for an excuse to pick on the Muslims and this may be the spark he wants. I hope not because the Muslims will fight back if pushed too hard and things could escalate quickly with factions from around the region running to joint the new fight. I can see Al Qaeda factions and Daesh factions running down there to join up. Not something anyone wants. At least the sane ones anyway. Let's keep our fingers crossed that things will settle down in the coming days.
the divisions (serb/croat, pakistan/India) are not completely 'natural'. the system exploits them.
the system creates them in the first place.
Exploitation comes afterward.
maybe not the diversity (tribes and peoples developing seperately adapted to their particular material circumstances) as such, but the system will indeed insert animosity, belligerence, competition to prepare exploitation.
That's when everything started. When media demonized the Serbs, they still did to eventually justify American "humanitarian" intervention. No different than what they are doing with Russia. Sheesh.
Humanitarian bombs dropped from 40,000ft onto women and children. And a cackling narcissist psychopath or two to gloat about it to media afterwards.
Hi Terrance
This is one instance in which I disagree with Caitlin.
Humanity ( and I use that word loosely) must be vomited out by Mother Nature as the scourge that it is.
Only then will this beautiful planet flourish.
I agree, but the survivalist in me hopes that this happens long after I'm worm food. I don't wish to endure a world depopulating event while I'm still above ground. I've seen enough bad things from humanity in my life. I'm tired and just want to try and ride out the rest of my life in relative peace. I won't get that but I hope for the best anyway.
:'D :'D
-- You say "Worm-food" too!
And I share that conviction entirely. I'd prefer not to see the worst of human behaviour up close. Russia had many advantages during the collapse of the USSR that we simply don't have. A wise person would have gotten out several years back - I've known this was coming for over 20 years. But I'm a Fool, always have been. Corbyn was the last chance to derail this process in the UK - the Establishment destroyed him. Now it's a waiting game.
I agree. Plus add the most devastating words ever written: that God created humans in his image and gave them dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the livestock, and all the creatures that crawl on the earth. ...
If it wasn't so depressing, I'd recommend you a book by Steve Nicholls called "Paradise Found." If you are an animal lover, don't read it.